Lysergamides Anybody else think that LSA just plain sucks?

[rodox]

This may come as a surprise or perhaps even a shock to some people, but I prefer LSA's over LSD. I have had low to high quality LSD on many occasions, and I have had wonderful experiences with it. However, I am into the natural entheogens.

First off, the body feeling I get from LSA's exceeds the euphoria of Psilocybian mushrooms. The only other entheogens I have had greater spiritual euphoria from is Mescaline (Peyote and Peruvian Torch) and 5-MeO-DMT.

Second, although the visuals of LSD are very rich and colorful, even mesmerizing, the visuals I get from LSA's are more organic, meaningful, and beautiful. They are more like visions than visuals.

Last, I enjoy learning about the history behind the use of LSA's, and the longer a entheogen has been used, the more impact it tends to have on my experience. I know this is a psychological concept, but some of LSD's history is somewhat absurd to me.

I have used Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, but I have yet to try Ololiuqui. I look forward to that.

what is your method of ingestion?

 

[The Wizard]

I hear verrry good things bout Ololiuqui (Rivea). Supposedly it's a LOT cleaner physically than HBW and MG. A bunch of people on forums have claimed the Rivea experience is almost totally absent of nausea. I wonder if the trip is more sedating and stoning (like HBW) or stimulating and visual (like MG). I also wonder if Rivea can cause muscle cramps like HBW (which is probably due to HBW's vasoconstricting effect). Rivea also intrigues me because it has a long history of shamanic use whereas HBW does not.

What I don't get is why so few vendors stock high quality Rivea while many vendors have good HBW and MG. It's ironic that Rivea, which has been used many hundreds of years, is so little known by the online community and so rarely stocked by vendors. And from what I hear a lot of vendors have really shitty quality Rivea so one has no idea what dosage to take from a new batch...

Hopefully vendors will eventually get with the program and stock high quality Rivea and then I wouldn't be suprised if gradually tons of psychonauts buy it due to word of mouth and everyone's happy in the end.

I wish vendors sold capsules bigger than OOO. That size of capsules just isn't big enough to fit stuff like ground up Morning Glory seeds.

You HBW/MG/Rivea fans, I highly recommend you try preloading on an MAOI plant (Syrian Rue, Harmala) or chemical (Harmaline, Moclobemide) an hour or 2 before dosing on your seeds. I guarantee you get a much more euphoric, visual, intense, long lasting trip. I give you my guarantee as The Wizard.

 

[The Wizard]

I hear verrry good things bout Ololiuqui (Rivea). Supposedly it's a LOT cleaner physically than HBW and MG. A bunch of people on forums have claimed the Rivea experience is almost totally absent of nausea. I wonder if the trip is more sedating and stoning (like HBW) or stimulating and visual (like MG). I also wonder if Rivea can cause muscle cramps like HBW (which is probably due to HBW's vasoconstricting effect). Rivea also intrigues me because it has a long history of shamanic use whereas HBW does not.

What I don't get is why so few vendors stock high quality Rivea while many vendors have good HBW and MG. It's ironic that Rivea, which has been used many hundreds of years, is so little known by the online community and so rarely stocked by vendors. And from what I hear a lot of vendors have really shitty quality Rivea so one has no idea what dosage to take from a new batch...

Hopefully vendors will eventually get with the program and stock high quality Rivea and then I wouldn't be suprised if gradually tons of psychonauts buy it due to word of mouth and everyone's happy in the end.

I wish vendors sold capsules bigger than OOO. That size of capsules just isn't big enough to fit stuff like ground up Morning Glory seeds.

You HBW/MG/Rivea fans, I highly recommend you try preloading on an MAOI plant (Syrian Rue, Harmala) or chemical (Harmaline, Moclobemide) an hour or 2 before dosing on your seeds. I bet you get a much more euphoric, visual, intense, long lasting trip. I give you my guarantee as The Wizard.

 

[Omni]

Haven't done LSA myself but I see and hear mixed opinions about it, some good & some not so good. The good opinions tend to come from those who haven't ventured too far in the realm of psychedelics yet, I noticed. And the not so good ones from those who don't feel it's "anything to write home about" compared to other stuff.

I'll have to try it sometime and see for myself I guess.

 

[Jamshyd]

My very first true psychedelic trip was on Morning Glory Seeds. I ended up in a nearby graveyard, staring blanklly, accepting my mortality peacefully.

It was one of the most unforgetful trips I've had.

That being said, the drug IS rather barbaric when it comes to consumption and side-effects compared to other psychedelics.

 

[psychedelicious]

Haven't done LSA myself but I see and hear mixed opinions about it, some good & some not so good. The good opinions tend to come from those who haven't ventured too far in the realm of psychedelics yet, I noticed. And the not so good ones from those who don't feel it's "anything to write home about" compared to other stuff.

I'll have to try it sometime and see for myself I guess.

At higher doses, it just has far too many negative side FX to be worth it. Overly intense vasoconstriction and nausea ruin it for me. I know one could potentiate with harmala/ayahuasca vine/moclobemide/whatever MAOI, or even with a 'racetam, but that doesn't seem to be right way to get to "that place"... Perhaps when I come across some well-grown ololuiqui seeds, I will hold LSA more highly. After all, shamans *never* used HBW or MG seeds ritualistically - only poor people without knowledge of the "holy" plants would consume HBW or MG seeds.

 

[MikeJ77]

Hm, I don't think LSA sucks at all. A few years ago I ground up 15 HBW seeds and mixed it with some tea, chugged that nasty muck down and smoked a blunt, by the time that was done that trip started to rise up kinda quick. Felt a bit of that nausea that seems to always come with it, but smoked another blunt and it went away, and during that time the trip reeeeally kicked in. Pretty powerful and fun as hell, my room sorta became my own world and nothing existed outside the walls or windows, which seemed to be moving randomly. Southpark seemed extra hilarious that nite and for some reason I kept replaying the same ten songs (cant remember what now tho)

 

[helium-4]

I approached LSA last night after a long period of not touching them (all the other trips were small) lastnight. It started off a little rough, but I took a benadryl to ease myself. Around 2 hours I started to feel pretty good besides the most uncomfortable body high I've ever had. Music was only alright, the visuals were limited to shifting of patterns on textured surfaces, and my thoughts were very bleak and bland. towards the 3 or 4 hours mark, my thoughts just seemed so dull that I started to get very dysphoric. It wasn't like I was thinking of anything bad, but everything just seemed so empty, so wide open, so boring. I kept think about my acid trip that I just had 2 months earlier and couldn't understand what would make this trip so crappy when I had an amazing experience then. I was alone this trip, but honestly I like the solitude of night. I ended up taking a few more benadryl and a bunch of melatonin around 5 hours in, poped on some boards of canada and laid in bed. I wasn't getting any enjoyment of music. I was stuck in the void of my head and couldn't hear the music. I eventually fell asleep. I woke up 8 hours later and I just felt bland the whole day. I just feel kinda bleh right now.

I love psychedelics and I had an amazing time on a good size dose of acid 2 month ago, so this trip really surprised me on how shitty it was. It basically felt like I was on a bad comedown of an amphetamine the whole night.

 

[helium-4]

Actually I take that back. I called up a friend and started pouring out the problems that are bothering me right now in my life, and I started to realize where the negative feelings from the trip where stemming from. I realized that through out the trip I was trying to avoid the thoughts that were encroaching. My last acid trip I was able to avoid these thoughts through the means of outside influences of friends and positive emotions that were flying around me. This trip I was alone at night by myself. Even with a mild trip, a solo trip can be quite inquisitive into ones psyche.

Because of this trip I've really realized what is going on inside of my head that I've been locking up. LSA helped bring it out the surface. It would have stayed looked up for who knows how long if it wasn't for this last trip.

I've basically become extremely grateful of this trip over a course of an hour or two.

damn... haha

 

[The Wizard]

If you guys followed all my posts on LSA I've made a zillion helpful recommendations on how to best use HBW and MG seeds. I'm getting so tired at this point of repeating my tips. Anyone who thinks LSA is only found to be insightful and intense by psychedelic newbies just hasn't read nearly enough forum posts on LSA... I'm not a psychedelic newbie at all and hold MG and HBW in as high or possibly higher a regard than most blotter, mushrooms and 2ce.

If any of you guys havent yet had a satisfying LSA trip just have patience and do more research. You wont get good results if you havent done your research. It might takes months to find the right vendor for seeds. Majority of vendors sell really weak, old HBW/MG/Rivea seeds. So dont blame the LSA for shitty trips, blame the vendors.

Also some of these vendors sell seeds which contain the wrong alkaloid profile of LSA's. If you get HBW that contain too much of certain alkaloids (the ones which cause the vasoconstriction) then you might be in for a trip filled with lots of intense nausea, cramps, sharp pains maybe even blue lips...

Ask around online and people in person as to where they get their seeds. PM me if you want to know of some excellent sources for HBW and MG. In my experience if you buy the right strain of HBW you prob. won't get much nausea and cramps, even at high doses. However, the wrong strain can cause these side effects even at low doses.

And to avoid nausea fast a lot the day of the trip and to avoid vasoconstriction don't combine any strong stimulants with HBW. If you start feeling the cramps and pains take a hot bath. Also take some vasodilating health supplement pills like L-Arginine. If your stomach suddenly tells you it wants to barf the seeds let it. Don't ignore your body when it comes to being on natural psychedelics...

Last weekend I got to have one of the most mindblowing, visual trips I've had in the last 12 months on 25 grams of Heavenly Blue Morning Glories. And no, I didn't take such a high dose because of having weak seeds. I've been using LSA containing seeds once to twice a month basically every month for the last year and am used to doing 20-25 very strong HBW seeds.

It's just I've used LSA containing seeds prob. over 50 times now, have done Cidney over 100 times, 2CE somewhere prob 40 or 50+ times, E def. over 50 times, 60 mg AMT once, Mushrooms around 20 or so times (at doses of up to 10 grams of strong indoor grown), DXM over 500 times (at doses up to 1400 mg at once), 2CT2 a few times, K many many times mostly intramuscularly (doing up to 200 mg in my shoulder at once..), Nitrous, Salvia divinorum and other psychedelics.

Lastly, dont bother with LSA extractions people...youll only be able to extract some of the alkaloids, leaving you a far weaker, milder, more sedating trip. Be a real man and just grind your HBW/MG to a fine powder and pack in capsules or mix with a beverage (NEVER with tap water).

If MG/HBW STILL isnt strong enough for you try preloading on Piracetam, Hydergine, Moclobemide, or Syrian Rue. Then, at the peak of the trip smoke KB, hash, Salvia 20X, DMT, and/or Syrian Rue resin. If that aint enough throw in some hits of Nitrous or Carbogen. DXM also goes quite nicely with the LSA comedown. And Kratom or a stimulating opioid goes realllly nicely with LSA. Also, 2CE mixes ohhhh so nicely with LSA

Just wanted to remind you guys to have vasodilators on hand always if using LSA. Stock up on L-Arginine, CoQ10 and Taurine. Take a few capsules of one or more of these supplement drugs before the trip and more during the trip. Oh, and one great way to help the nausea is lie down in a dark room with headphones and meditative music and shut your eyes, clear your head, and breathe slow deep breaths and forget the nausea ever exists and let yourself get on the shaman level...

Oh, and if you need to calm down trip induced anxiety try Bali Kratom, Kava, Phenibut, L-Theanine, Neurontin, Opioids, Pods, Hash, Indica, or in emergencies swallow some Seroquel, Benzos or GHB.

And no I swear I'm not trying to brag when I mentioned how much I've tripped on psychedelics nor am I exagerating for effects. Why is my intelligence still seemingly intact? Perhaps the years of health supplements and daily stacks of smart drugs and my insistent on keeping my mind active reading hours a day.

 

[<MINDETERGENT>]

LSA is great!
i ate 800 mgs and felt awsome!! its like eating a few strong hits of cid!!!

 

[The Wizard]

I hear that if one wants to do an LSA extraction your best bet is either doing a water extraction (don't use tap water) or do a complex chemistry extraction using lab grade ether. I haven't hear many good things about doing ethanol extractions or using other solvents like lighter fluid.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

i ate 10 woodrose seeds two times and i really liked it. it gave me no deep trip, but a light, eurphoric und funny psychedelic experience. LSA seems to be a substance with a quite unique character to me, and sometimes in the future I'll repeat such experiments with higher doses for sure.

 

[swilow]

I hear that if one wants to do an LSA extraction your best bet is either doing a water extraction (don't use tap water) or do a complex chemistry extraction using lab grade ether. I haven't hear many good things about doing ethanol extractions or using other solvents like lighter fluid.

I've never done the extraction myself, but I've consumed an alchohol extract of R. Corymbosa- worked well, the only time I've 'enjoyed' LSA experiecne... The extract was performed by 'a friend' specifically for me though.

 

[Onoe]

i ate a bunch of HBWR and felt nothing.

 

[Aeon Psyche]

i ate a bunch of HBWR and felt nothing.

I second that. I had psy' tolerance however.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Would chewing up the seeds, holding them under your tongue for as long as possible, and then spitting them out work? Wouldn't the LSA's absorb sublingually, and you'd be spitting out the nasty toxic oils?

I seem to recall reading about someone trying this and reporting a positive result... could be my memory making things up though.

 

[The Wizard]

Many people say that yes, you do still trip if you hold HBW seeds in your mouth for a long enough time and spit them out but who knows whether the same LSA's (the name I refer to the group of Lysergic Acid Amide alkaloids in the seeds as) and concentrations of LSA's absorb through this sublingual route as orally. I'd assume there's the chance that when taking the seeds sublingually your body is only allowed to absorb some of the LSA alkaloids and not all of them as you would orally. However, maybe you do still get all the various LSA's and maybe you even get a higher concentration of some of the LSA's into your body than you would from oral consumption.

I've only tried HBW orally though, never sublingually so I wouldn't know. I only know that everyone that I've read of using HBW sublingually has reported a much shorter trip. Also, many people report HBW sublingually causes far less nausea, although some say even sublingually HBW still causes nausea. Anyone truly curious about the difference between sublingual and oral consumption should try both themself at the same dose and set/setting to compare.

 

[Ne0]

No I don't. I think that you suck.

 

[4-OH]

Low doses are wonderful, but very high doses of LSA are horrible, especially if you aren't expecting it. I learned a lot from that experience though - goes to show that you get plenty out of a bad trip.