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Lysergamides Anybody else think that LSA just plain sucks?

Does LSA just plain suck?

  • Yes

    Votes: 123 28.2%

  • No

    Votes: 199 45.6%

  • No Opinion

    Votes: 114 26.1%
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    436
what do you all think about converting lsa's to lsh? maybe some lsh with a dose of piperine would be good?
 
It's obvious that we need an extraction method that actually works.
So what's up with that? Is it actually next to impossible or is the drug/high not worth the research?
 
cold water extractions work. you just need to do alot of evaporation in a cold dark place. takes weeks its a bitch. do a large batch lol
 
From what I hear cold water or ethanol extractions of LSA containing seeds do work but not nearly as well as ingesting the seeds. This is because only some of the seeds' alkaloids will be extracted into your tincture while others won't. And the range of psychoactive effects come from the synergy of all the alkaloids.

I've done cold water extractions of Morning Glory many times at doses up to 15 or 20 grams (I forget which) and I've never gotten effects that began to rival the intensity of a good HBW (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) trip. Water extracts of Morning Glory more resembled the sedating, stoning, mildly psychedelic effects of good MJ. Whereas eating 10-15 finely ground Woodrose seeds tends to remind me of the effects of mushrooms, E, opiates and nugg, depending on the strain. Some batches of Woodrose are a lot more sedating or stoning or speedy or visual or introspective or erotic than others. I love the variety of effects HBW can produce.

I so often hear the assumption that doing an extraction of MG/HBW will eliminate all nausea yet I've read of people who got nausea nonetheless when ingesting extracts. Sometimes I don't even get nausea at from ingesting crushed HBW in capsules.

Avoiding the nausea is mainly a matter of eating extremely lightly the day of the trip, not moving around too much when nauseous, using MJ to help curb the nausea and if necessary vomiting usually eliminates all traces of the nausea. Just make sure not to vomit until the seeds have had a few hours in your body to absorb. I find the more quality batches of seeds produce a lot less nausea. And don't worry about scraping the outer coating of the seeds. It's a myth that it causes the nausea.

So, yeah, I don't think quality LSA containing seeds suck at all. Shitty seeds could be lame just like any other low quality version of a drug. One just needs to find the right supplier which isn't hard if you ask around and look in the right places. I'll give y'all a hint- the best suppliers usually get their seeds fresh from Hawaiia. I've extensive experience with Cid, Shrooms, DOx's, 2C's, Tussin, K, Salvia and other assorted hallucinogens and overall I'd rank Woodrose right near the top...
 
Morning glories are amazing! The body high was magical, stomach discomfort was marginal, and thoughts were very managable. Highly recommendable!
 
I recently had a very forced and heavy introspective trip on morning glory seeds , which pointed out some clarifying health issues. I crawled through the rabbit hole and was much more aware then when having an introspective trip on acid.

This led me to experiment further with this substance. So last weekend I combined 4g harmala with 5g of morning glory seeds (capsules) which gave me a very intense mental trip, lacking of visual effects, but very often drove me to the edge of insanity. The next day I felt totally reborn and energetic like you would after a rewarding ayahuasca trip.

Conclusion:
I would say its spirits are very powerful and shouldn't be played with as a toy-psychedelic
 
5 grams of Morning Glories was a powerful experience for you?? I am jealous. I swallowed 19 grams of Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds last Fri. night and had a pretty mild trip with a little bit of eye candy. I know my preparation method was correct because I didn't bother with an extraction. I just ground the seeds to a fine powder and mixed them with mineral water and drank. The only factor I can see decreasing the potency of my trip is the age of the seeds- this batch of Morning Glories I'd been holding onto since last Spring. Roughly how many grams of quality MG seeds equals 5 quality Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds? I generally eat 20-25 HBW seeds when I trip.
 
LAA% Total Alks. % by weight

Hawaiian baby wood rose: 0.04 0.30
Ololiuqui: 0.02 0.04
Heavenly Blue: 0.01 0.02
Pearly Gates: 0.02 0.03
Wedding Bells: 0.01 0.03

hwbr contains a much higher over all alk. content than other lsa containing seeds so i think this is the reason the trip is so much 'better' than MG the other alks. contribute greatly to the activity
 
LSA, done right (two occasions I've nailed it), is the most beautiful experience ever.
 
my table thing fucked up wen i posted it the first number is the lsa content the second is the total alk. content
 
And for the record, and thread, LSA is not a toy drug. It is a serious psych, not to be taken lightly at all!
 
You said after doing a polar/non polar extraction of HBW seeds that you're left with "pure LSA" and I'm not sure what you mean by "LSA". There isn't just one alkaloid in HBW that produces the psychoactive effects but rather a group of alkaloids called "LSA's" (Lysergic acid amides). I assume by the term "LSA" you are referring to an alkaloid in HBW/MG/Rivea called Ergine. If this is what you're referring to actually research on ingesting pure Ergine indicates it actually has bland, boring sedative effects when taken on its own. Read what Shulgin and Hoffman have to say about Ergine.

I'm weary of extracting HBW/MG seeds in a solvent or water as I assume not every alkaloid will be soluble in the extraction. And I want to put in my body the full mixture of alkaloids as I think it's the synergy which produces such an interesting, deep trip. Offhand, I recall that some of the other alkaloids in HBW are: Isoergine, Ergonovine and Methylergonovine and I'm sure there's plenty more I forgot to mention. I'd love to know which alkaloids are responsible for the nausea and muscle cramps.

Yeah, diff. batches of HBW from diff. vendors can vary tremendously. One vendor's seeds may be stronger, more visual, more stimulating, more insightful, less nausea inducing, less muscle cramp inducing, and more stoning than another vendor's seeds. I prefer HBW seeds that give me a very clean stimulating/trippy feeling (almost MDxx or Psilocybin esque) free of nausea and body cramps to some batches which give me more of a sleepy, heavy, sluggish, stoned feeling (MJ/Opiate esque) with nausea and cramps.
I also agree with you about batch varietys. Most i've got have had slightly different effects. The strength of each batch can vary considerably too.

You're smart to crush your seeds up finely and the finer you grind them the better your body will be able to absorb the LSA's. I use the biggest sized capsules I can find and it usually takes me at least 4 or 5 capsules to fit all my crushed HBW. I'd recommend you try to wait longer than 30 mins. to vomit though. Give your body at least an hour or 2 to absorb the LSA's before vomiting. Vomiting too soon can decrease the intensity and duration of the trip.

Once you feel like a real HBW/MG veteran try preloading on a high dose of Piracetam (2-4 grams) and/or Hydergine before your HBW trip. If you want a truly balls to the wall trip preload on an MAOI too. 3-4 grams of ground Syrian Rue will give your body enough MAO inhibition to make the HBW trip MUCH more physically and mentally intense, euphoric. and long lasting. I warn you though that Rue tastes horrible, can cause nausea itself and can make one feel sleepy and heavy.

The prescription MAOI, Moclobemide, may be a better choice as an MAOI potentiator of HBW/MG. So far, I've never read of anyone online using Moclobemide as a booster to HBW/MG. I can only find stories of folks using Moclobemide to boost Psilocybin or DMT.
 
[EDIT] I like going to work.

After I took some and didn't allow myself to vomit at all, I couldn't stand the smell of them for a while, despite wanting to use :( That's when I really tried the extracting. It gave some strong experiences. Not as strong as when I've eaten them but I assumed if i took more it would, although maybe it wouldn't of gotten any stronger.
 
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And for the record, and thread, LSA is not a toy drug. It is a serious psych, not to be taken lightly at all!
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Can't be stressed enough. People think that just because they're legal that they can be taken lightly. It has provoked very big emotional responses in me on more than one occasion.
 
Yeah I agree that LSA's are def. not a toy to be played with to party. I witnessed firsthand one friend flip out on 10 pretty potent and fresh finely ground HBW seeds I'd packed in capsules for her to consume. She went into the trip with an air of cocky confidence that she could handle whatever the drug showed her and she dosed on it in the middle of the night on impulse knowing nothing about the drugs effects, just assuming since it was a psychedelic that she could handle it.

And within a couple hours it had her really disoriented, spaced out and confused. She ended up crying and acting pretty lonely for the rest of the night. It was sad. I tried to warn her not to rush into swallowing the 10 seeds like that, to wait till the right time. But she insisted on swallowing them spur of the moment. And when she came down from the HBW she passed out for over 12 hrs. and didn't come into work at her job at Shoney's so she got fired... and that's the end of that tale. Lesson learned is don't treat LSA containing seeds as a play thing to make yourself feel good, numb out and escape reality.
 
doobiepatrol said:
After I took some and didn't allow myself to vomit at all, I couldn't stand the smell of them for a while, despite wanting to use :( That's when I really tried the extracting. It gave some strong experiences. Not as strong as when I've eaten them but I assumed if i took more it would, although maybe it wouldn't of gotten any stronger.
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I know exactly what you mean about the smell and taste of the seeds... I can't ever force myself to vomit, unfortunately... Anybody have any tips for inducing a nice barfing session? The finger-down-the-hatch method fails me; I don't have all that much of gag reflex. Ipecac? :p
 
This may come as a surprise or perhaps even a shock to some people, but I prefer LSA's over LSD. I have had low to high quality LSD on many occasions, and I have had wonderful experiences with it. However, I am into the natural entheogens.

First off, the body feeling I get from LSA's exceeds the euphoria of Psilocybian mushrooms. The only other entheogens I have had greater spiritual euphoria from is Mescaline (Peyote and Peruvian Torch) and 5-MeO-DMT.

Second, although the visuals of LSD are very rich and colorful, even mesmerizing, the visuals I get from LSA's are more organic, meaningful, and beautiful. They are more like visions than visuals.

Last, I enjoy learning about the history behind the use of LSA's, and the longer a entheogen has been used, the more impact it tends to have on my experience. I know this is a psychological concept, but some of LSD's history is somewhat absurd to me.

I have used Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, but I have yet to try Ololiuqui. I look forward to that.
 
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