You guys must be getting Woodrose seeds from the wrong suppliers. With good quality HBW 3-5 seeds is enough for a mild to moderate trip, depending on how much of a veteran you are to psychedelics. And 10+ seeds can be a pretty strong trip. The most I've ever done is 30 seeds and a trip of that strength can last a good 12-24 hours...
I've tried 5 websites so far over the last yr. for HBW seeds. 4 out of 5 were excellent. The latest supplier I used sold me 50 seeds for $15 before shipping costs and threw in 5 extra seeds. The cheapest I've gotten seeds was 100 seeds for $25 before shipping. Often I've found sites will throw in extra seeds which I think is pretty damn cool.
I've found that some batches of Woodrose produce little to no nausea while others do. I always grind my seeds to a powder and pack them in the biggest capsules I can find and swallow them on a relatively empty stomach. You won't feel the full effects for 2 or 3 hours, some take even longer. I love the fact the HBW trip is such a creeper and has such a smooth comedown.
I've noticed a lot of variation in effects with the HBW from different suppliers. Seeds can be stoning/sedating/opiate-like/stimulating/trippy depending on the batch. All you people who say HBW gives you little to no visuals just wait till you try good seeds. The visuals can be very cartoonish and shroom-esque. Preload on ginger to help any nausea and use MJ during the trip to further eliminate nausea.
Some HBW can cause vasoconstricting side effects so be careful mixing stimulants with the seeds. Health supplements like L-Arginine can cause a vasodilating effect that counteracts the vasoconstriction, as can a warm bath.
Personally, all the HBW I've ever tried felt totally non-toxic, aside from the occasional nausea. The nausea usually passes if I just vomit. Last time I Woodrosed I also took 4 grams of Japanese Sweet Flag (Calamus) 5X extract during the comeup and 4 more during the comedown. This removed the sleepy/sluggish feeling HBW sometimes gives me.
I find that a dose of DXM during the comedown can bring you right back up and even if you wait till the next day to do DXM it still will bring back elements of the HBW euphoria/trippiness.
I think great HBW can def. compete head on with L, Mushrooms, 2Cxx's, E, etc....
[Edited: your intentions are good but don't offer to share vendors
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