Any psych users in here that don't tolerate Cannabis?

[Voxide]

i know this post was a from a few days ago but I want to point out that i think its somewhat of a myth that cannabis is an antiemetic at any dose. i myself and quite a few friends of mine have vomited off of very high doses of potent weed - its not so much stomach upset as a serious case of directional disorientation/spinning produced by the effects of lots of THC that get me, i think. in this way its very easy for pot to lose its antiemetic value because the overwhelming nature of the motion sickness it can cause can lead to some terrible vomiting fests. and vomiting from THC ODs is a MUCH more painstaking and drawn out process than vomiting from the come up of a psychedelic like 2c-e or mushies - similar to puking from an alcohol OD. no fun at all... you have to be careful not to overdo it.

Don't worry about it, I've kept an eye on this thread since day one and still am.

Far as the anti-emetic is concerned, I obviously haven't received this benefit. That conclusion was purely from what everyone else tells me. Even while being high I experienced nausea to some degree, mostly due to the intense dizziness and out of focus vision. Puking on alcohol was much worse, I have to admit, but I still shouldn't be getting dizziness to the point where it feels like I domed 12 shots in 30 seconds. The lightheadedness, dizziness, and depersonalization are what get to me. The paranoia is a manifestation of the above effects.

On another note, it's really great to see that I'm not alone here and that this does not mean that all psychedelics are out of the question. I've read every single post thus far, and would like to thank everybody. The more I read, the more interested I become in this THC induced paranoia, which sometimes even leads into a full blown panic attack. A THC "OD" can really take a toll on your mental state.

 

[skullgrid]

I've never had a bad "trip" on anything other than weed.

 

[Shambles]

i know this post was a from a few days ago but I want to point out that i think its somewhat of a myth that cannabis is an antiemetic at any dose. i myself and quite a few friends of mine have vomited off of very high doses of potent weed - its not so much stomach upset as a serious case of directional disorientation/spinning produced by the effects of lots of THC that get me, i think. in this way its very easy for pot to lose its antiemetic value because the overwhelming nature of the motion sickness it can cause can lead to some terrible vomiting fests. and vomiting from THC ODs is a MUCH more painstaking and drawn out process than vomiting from the come up of a psychedelic like 2c-e or mushies - similar to puking from an alcohol OD. no fun at all... you have to be careful not to overdo it.

That is a dead-on description of pulling a whitey (dunno if that term is used outside of the UK - basically way too much weed in too short a time period makes you spin out, puke and usually look very pale and sweaty for a while). I'd basically say that is an "overdose" of weed - too much too soon. At lower doses it really is an excellent antiemetic. Most folks using it for that purpose would be using "medicinal" doses rather than "getting ripped off yer tits" doses

 

[IamMe90]

oh i know, don't worry, i was just pointing out that there's a commonly held myth that cannabis will be antiemetic at ANY dose, including high ones, when this is clearly not true haha.

 

[Voxide]

That is a dead-on description of pulling a whitey (dunno if that term is used outside of the UK - basically way too much weed in too short a time period makes you spin out, puke and usually look very pale and sweaty for a while). I'd basically say that is an "overdose" of weed - too much too soon. At lower doses it really is an excellent antiemetic. Most folks using it for that purpose would be using "medicinal" doses rather than "getting ripped off yer tits" doses

You described the physical effects perfectly. Vomiting, chest pain, paleness of the face. What has honestly me intrigued were the auditory hallucinations. Shit.

It was a frightening experience for sure. I should have used better judgment considering I haven't smoked in a 3 month period prior to this. Really want to give it another go if I can muster up the courage and take it slow.

oh i know, don't worry, i was just pointing out that there's a commonly held myth that cannabis will be antiemetic at ANY dose, including high ones, when this is clearly not true haha.

To be totally honest, I really don't even see how it could be. Trying to smoke when already nauseous would definitely send me over the edge, just from the smoke itself, not the mention the effects. The actual dizziness is unlike anything I have ever experienced. It's not like alcohol, where the dizziness is more in motion. It's not even like spinning in a chair for 30 seconds. Dizziness from weed is almost like this vibrating static-like frame of vision that you can't really focus on.

 

[nearjat]

I definitely do not tolerate cannabis. Strong indicas are awesome, I've had some great hash too. But most of the time it makes me delusionally paranoid. Like lots of guilt and fear.

 

[Voxide]

I definitely do not tolerate cannabis. Strong indicas are awesome, I've had some great hash too. But most of the time it makes me delusionally paranoid. Like lots of guilt and fear.

Just how different is the sativa vs. indica high? I know that indicas are much higher in CBD and sativas are higher in THC, but surely they can't be different enough to warrant a different effects list, are they?


Another thing that I've realized after thinking about it, is that I really dislike the body high of Cannabis. First off is the dizziness and lightheadedness, sure, but there is more to that.

First thing that happens is that the nerves of my teeth and jaw get numb. After that, A wave of pressure sets in right near my eyes. Then I can only describe what seems to be a paranoid energy pulsating from the middle of my chest, along with an increased heart rate. If I sit still in one spot, it feels like I'm in free-fall. Wish there was a way to get all the mental effects, with the body being totally on baseline. I have no doubt a good portion of my paranoia would be eliminated.

 

[superelephant]

Dizziness from weed is almost like this vibrating static-like frame of vision that you can't really focus on.

Haha, quoted for truth, you definitely smoked to much. with no tolerance you only need one hit, wait 15 minutes before taking another one...if you need to

 

[Voxide]

Haha, quoted for truth, you definitely smoked to much. with no tolerance you only need one hit, wait 15 minutes before taking another one...if you need to

Definitely. In retrospect however, it really didn't seem like a lot. It was a 1.5 gram blunt, shared between 2 people. Good quality mids. Estimating that I took about 7 strong hits. Quick inhale, hold, exhale slowly. It's kind of tough to limit hits when using a blunt/joint. I just need to remember not to smoke it like a cigarette, sucking the whole thing down in 2 minutes. Next time, I will do everything in my power to adjust the dose accordingly.

 

[Jakeperson]

That is a dead-on description of pulling a whitey (dunno if that term is used outside of the UK)

We use it here in Aus and I agree with what you said. Alcohol + weed usually makes it worse too.

Grass before beer, you're in the clear. Beer before grass, you're on your arse.

 

[Shambles]

Ha! Never heard that lil rhyme before but totally agree :D

And reminds me of the similar - "Beer & wine and you'll be fine, wine & beer and you'll feel queer".

The booze + weed one is probably more accurate though.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I will not smoke weed on a trip it just seems to make the trip gross murkey

Definitely. This seems to be a common theme. Another thing is that the burned hydrocarbons can leave me feeling 'dirty' in a way, which I don't want to be feeling if I'm tripping on something else.

My advice to anyone who gets these effects is not to try and keep up with the doses other people are smoking. If you are sensitive to it, you need to have like a 3rd of a cone or a very light drag on a joint. Just have a very minimal amount and then give it time to come on. Some people need to hoover it up to get stoned but others only need the barest amounts and if you measure your doses by what they have, yes you will OD.

Marijuana is a strange substance. The first session I would have after the last time I had tripped would always bring on the trip again, down to the feeling in your head/neck etc (even if it had been months since the trip). Now, it trips me out every time.

So try just a small dose (even less than a drag if need be), who cares what dope fiend friends think. If that's still too much, just leave it; there are plenty of other people it affects the same way and I agree that it is very likely due to the mismatch in THC to CBD. It never used to be this trippy...

EDIT: However I can handle acid and I could always handle marijuana while on other drugs. It all adds to the same conclusion of there neeing to be a certain combination of receptor systems activated (or inactivated).

Interesting. I like your idea that it seems to need a certain combination of receptor activation. The fact that marijuana does indeed seem to bring about the cumulative trippiness from previous trips would suggest that the cannabinoid receptor is somehow implicated in the psychedelic state, by some regulatory action of the endogenous ligand anandamide.

That is a dead-on description of pulling a whitey (dunno if that term is used outside of the UK - basically way too much weed in too short a time period makes you spin out, puke and usually look very pale and sweaty for a while). I'd basically say that is an "overdose" of weed - too much too soon. At lower doses it really is an excellent antiemetic. Most folks using it for that purpose would be using "medicinal" doses rather than "getting ripped off yer tits" doses

What bothers me is those friends who are uber hardcore stoners who can smoke forever and still tell you they don't know what it feels like to green out. Which I know is a load of bollocks really , because I have a friend who is the epitome of a stoner, and he says that he sometimes feels the anxiety but just tries to push through it.

Just how different is the sativa vs. indica high? I know that indicas are much higher in CBD and sativas are higher in THC, but surely they can't be different enough to warrant a different effects list, are they?

There are differences between the indica and sativa highs. They both carry a distinct cannabis high, but it comes on in different ways (which is not to mention the subtle differences between different the strains of both which connoissuers can distinguish between). You have to try them and get a feel for them if you're interested in finding out which works for you, but generally the indicas tend to be less anxiogenic and more sedating. The sativas seem to be more rushy with a tingly trippy element.

I think I read somewhere that cannabis affects your blood-sugar levels, causing them to drop rapidly in high doses, which would definitely account for the effects of greening out (pale clammy skin, fast heart beat, low blood pressure, anxiety).

 

[Voxide]

Definitely. This seems to be a common theme. Another thing is that the burned hydrocarbons can leave me feeling 'dirty' in a way, which I don't want to be feeling if I'm tripping on something else.



Interesting. I like your idea that it seems to need a certain combination of receptor activation. The fact that marijuana does indeed seem to bring about the cumulative trippiness from previous trips would suggest that the cannabinoid receptor is somehow implicated in the psychedelic state, by some regulatory action of the endogenous ligand anandamide.



What bothers me is those friends who are uber hardcore stoners who can smoke forever and still tell you they don't know what it feels like to green out. Which I know is a load of bollocks really , because I have a friend who is the epitome of a stoner, and he says that he sometimes feels the anxiety but just tries to push through it.



There are differences between the indica and sativa highs. They both carry a distinct cannabis high, but it comes on in different ways (which is not to mention the subtle differences between different the strains of both which connoissuers can distinguish between). You have to try them and get a feel for them if you're interested in finding out which works for you, but generally the indicas tend to be less anxiogenic and more sedating. The sativas seem to be more rushy with a tingly trippy element.

I think I read somewhere that cannabis affects your blood-sugar levels, causing them to drop rapidly in high doses, which would definitely account for the effects of greening out (pale clammy skin, fast heart beat, low blood pressure, anxiety).

Eating prior to smoking would definitely help this. For some reason I have never experienced the munchies. On my panic attack day, my appetite was non-existent, even when it was over. Only thing I really wanted to do was go to bed and forget it ever happened.

Now that I think about it, I have smoked GDP before, a 100% indica strain. The paranoia and anxiety were there, but to a much lesser degree. Definitely going to keep this in mind. 2 bong hits of the stuff was enough to keep me high from 7pm to the time I fell asleep, about 11. Best sleep of my life.

 

[Apollo Matta]

i dont smoke weed anymore,
i used to all through high school,
and have just recently stopped,
im 19.
id just rather be "normal" everyday instead of being high,
because i know i have an addictive personality,
so if i say once a week, a week later im smokign every day,
trust me ive given up smoking many times,
and every time i restart i say il do it less,
and end up doing it every day again,
this time though i had an intense shrooms trip,
and it made me want to feel normal.
it made me appreciate everyday stuff.
so i didnt need to get high to like simple things,
its like i went so far beyond i just wanted to get back home,
and when i did, i just loved being there.
so now i just use psychs so i can gain insight in life,
not make life a little better getting high,
because your high will not last forever,
but i believe that a trip changes you permanently

 

[bighooter]

canabis gives me insane paranoia/anxiety n panic attacks

its about the only drug I cannot tolerate one bit, it destroys my mind with just a few tokes.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

cannabis is a godsend for me,
but then again im very hyperactive, and love its enhancing and relaxation properties.

Yeah that ^

But I have had trouble with herb when tripping or buzzing on stims... The initial hit can be a bit "woaah, didn't need that" & gets a bit anxiety inducing. But this tends to ease with me after about 10 to 15mins & sometimes it's worth getting through it because I find herb enhances the effects of low-dose psyches & sometimes also attenuates their effects. If I'm really twatted, out clubbing on MDMA then I love a wee smoke in the middle, even though sometimes in increases paranoia for shortwhile, it's also nice & trippy with E.

Weed is also helpful dealing with nausea on 2c's & other psychedelics.

 

[SpinOutOfControl]

I think for people to enjoy cannabis they must use it frequently. It takes getting used to I would say. How many people do you know who only smoke pot once in a while? I would assume not too many. I think occasional smoking is more likely to lead to panic and fear than frequent use. When I have cut back and used it sparingly it has a much more stimulant and racy character that sometimes will can give me anxiety and fear. If I start smoking more frequently this goes away and it becomes more of a anti-depressant care-free stone.

Another thing to point out is that personally I prefer to smoke with other people. Late at night by myself can sometimes freak me out a bit if my mood is off, so I will choose not to smoke.

Cannabis can have so many different properties, if someone is having a hard time with it i would suggest considering set and setting. I don't think it is any different than another drug in that respect.

 

[Usirius1]

I love psychedelics, but not weed. That shit makes me nauseous and miserable as hell.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Cannabis is never very enjoyable for me. Always very anxious on cannabis. I smoke it nearly every night though, I guess just because I like some of the personal insights and creative ideas I get on it. I really envy those who say that cannabis is relaxing.

 

[revolve]

I really dislike cannabis in a social setting. I can handle it by myself at home like after a big night out or something like that.. but whenever I have it around other people, I start feeling really stupid and socially awkward and then this manifests into some sort of paranoia/anxiety and I start to wish I never smoked the weed at all. I can't stop thinking about how it was a dumb idea to smoke it until it wears off. I can do acid, shrooms, DMT, you name it with no feeling of anxiety or paranoia whatsoever though. I love psychedelics, definitely my favourite type of substances. I used to be a fan of weed about 4-5 years ago (when I was about 15-16 years old) and smoked it at least every weekend, if not more often. These days I'd smoke it once a month, maximum.