Any psych users in here that don't tolerate Cannabis?

[Voxide]

I'm not at all familiar with the US weed scene (I'm guessing you're in the US?) so am not entirely sure what "Mids" are, to be honest. I just assumed they would be the step down from the uberhybridised THC behemoth strains that the kiddiez seem so fond of these days. I find the more traditional strains (ie not massively fucked about with to alter the ratios of THC:CBD and the rest) of weed and their associated hash playmates are far more conducive to a positive experience. Especially for those who find the current range of foolishness is completely missing the point.

I much prefer Sativas and always have done. High THC content is fine but the hybrids popular these last few years seem to have obliterated the small percentage of CBD they used to contain completely (or near enough) and ruined them

Also, you don't have to go smoking dicksize amounts to enjoy ganga. Take it slow and steady - some folks get far more from a lil tickle than they do from a cannabinoid cosh

/oldskool weed fanboy

Yeah, U.S here. I'm not sure about the specific cannabinoid content of mid-grade weed. I have absolutely no resources to determine this either. I think it mostly depends on taking the hits slowly and spaced out from each other to see how I feel, rather than blazing a joint in 2 minutes as someone would with a cigarette. It was just strange to me, seeing other people take 6 fat bong rips and be fine, meanwhile I was like "what the fuck is going on" after about 2.

^ Hmm... interesting. Didn't know about the THC : CBD ratio-bending.


But, in response to the OP, I'm going to have to raise my hand. Weed has always been pretty anxiogenic for me, and it's always been kind of an "effort" to get anything positive out of it. OTOH, it's almost impossible NOT to have the best time of my life on a strong dose of LSD. %)

Also, if I'm already coasting on acid, smoking weed actually becomes interesting and enjoyable.



But yeah, the idea that weed is like Acid Lite™ couldn't be farther from the truth.

Somebody in the Cannabis section of the forum summed my thought process up perfectly when I'm high. I get like these doomsday thought patterns. Everything I see and hear on TV and in real life I somehow relate to something tragic, and everything just gets fucked. I draw these ridiculous conclusions in my head. My mind just races too fast for me to even hold a thought, other than the one wishing that I had a few beers instead. The most annoying thing for me is how weed combines all parts of the drug spectrum. Stimulating but stoning at the same time, with hallucinogenic properties thrown in.


Now that I think about it, the puking may very well have been a small case of nicotine poisoning. Cannabis is used to treat nausea. Also, this may be unrelated, but the first thing I experience body-wise while I'm coming up is that my mouth and teeth get this uncomfortable numbness. At times, it also feels like I'm pissing my pants. I swear, this is not a joke. Funny as it may sound. This sensation has caused additional anxiety to my weed "trips". That's honestly the best thing I can call them. They are full blown fucking trips. There is no way anybody else feels like I do when high. Ridiculous and outlandish mental images or totally random and irrelevant shit pop into my head when I close my eyes and lay down. In social situations, it feels like I'm just a ghost watching the world take place. When I play music, a scene plays out in my head of whatever the tone of the song is. The visual effects are strange, but they are actually not part of my anxiety. I enjoy the visuals. Things get brighter and my visual focus gets altered kind of like where an artist needs to draw something on top of someone so it looks like the object is behind them. Not sure how to explain it.

At any rate, thanks for the responses so far. I really do want to try and enjoy Cannabis the way most people do. I've even been thinking that there is something wrong with my brain chemicals because I don't like it the way most people do.

 

[TestOfSanity]

I have smoked weed for years, but lately i'm not enjoying it. The last few years, my cannabis smoking has been kicked into overdrive, because of free top quality weed. Just the cannabis smoke, is ok for me in moderation, however my friend turns it into butane hash oil or "bho"(marijuana extract). I really don't like the high it gives me, but for some dumbass reason, I keep smoking it.

I had never in my life, suffered from a panic attack, but bho changed that. One day I took a half gram hit, which is, at least for me, a gigantic hit. Not long afterwords, my heart started racing, almost 4 beats a second at one point. Now not ever having a panic attack, I was sure I was gonna die. I played it absolutely cool, and nobody around knew the hell I was in. I looked out the window at a beautiful sunny day, I thought, what a gorgeous day to die. And at that moment, the moment I accepted death, a feeling of peace and calm came over me, and the fear was gone. My heartbeat slowed, and I was so relieved.

Now, I have had 1 panic attack since, and it wasn't quite as frightening, but not fun. I still smoke it occasionally, in fact I had a few hits a little earlier, but I will never take a hit that big ever. Lately, smoking mj, seems like more of a chore, than fun. It mostly puts me on edge, rather than relaxing me. I keep asking myself is it worth it.

 

[superelephant]

Now that I think about it, the puking may very well have been a small case of nicotine poisoning. Cannabis is used to treat nausea. Also, this may be unrelated, but the first thing I experience body-wise while I'm coming up is that my mouth and teeth get this uncomfortable numbness. At times, it also feels like I'm pissing my pants. I swear, this is not a joke. Funny as it may sound. This sensation has caused additional anxiety to my weed "trips". That's honestly the best thing I can call them. They are full blown fucking trips. There is no way anybody else feels like I do when high. Ridiculous and outlandish mental images or totally random and irrelevant shit pop into my head when I close my eyes and lay down. In social situations, it feels like I'm just a ghost watching the world take place. When I play music, a scene plays out in my head of whatever the tone of the song is. The visual effects are strange, but they are actually not part of my anxiety. I enjoy the visuals. Things get brighter and my visual focus gets altered kind of like where an artist needs to draw something on top of someone so it looks like the object is behind them. Not sure how to explain it.

At any rate, thanks for the responses so far. I really do want to try and enjoy Cannabis the way most people do. I've even been thinking that there is something wrong with my brain chemicals because I don't like it the way most people do.

Dude, I still get that exact same experience if I smoke to much, and it mostly happens when I consume from blunts rather than my bong. If I'm laying on my bed with music I enjoy it, if I'm at work or somewhere that requires that I pay attention to anything I end up battling bouts of anxiety. Either way, this IS normal. that's what being really high is like. But that's obviously past what should be considered a recreational dose for you.

 

[Voxide]

I have smoked weed for years, but lately i'm not enjoying it. The last few years, my cannabis smoking has been kicked into overdrive, because of free top quality weed. Just the cannabis smoke, is ok for me in moderation, however my friend turns it into butane hash oil or "bho"(marijuana extract). I really don't like the high it gives me, but for some dumbass reason, I keep smoking it.

I had never in my life, suffered from a panic attack, but bho changed that. One day I took a half gram hit, which is, at least for me, a gigantic hit. Not long afterwords, my heart started racing, almost 4 beats a second at one point. Now not ever having a panic attack, I was sure I was gonna die. I played it absolutely cool, and nobody around knew the hell I was in. I looked out the window at a beautiful sunny day, I thought, what a gorgeous day to die. And at that moment, the moment I accepted death, a feeling of peace and calm came over me, and the fear was gone. My heartbeat slowed, and I was so relieved.

Now, I have had 1 panic attack since, and it wasn't quite as frightening, but not fun. I still smoke it occasionally, in fact I had a few hits a little earlier, but I will never take a hit that big ever. Lately, smoking mj, seems like more of a chore, than fun. It mostly puts me on edge, rather than relaxing me. I keep asking myself is it worth it.

My panic attack was crazy. Me and a friend of mine smoked in his car, sharing 1.5g. We finished, and I was about to get back in my house, we start this conversation. I'm literally just sitting there waiting for him to shut the fuck up so I can go inside. I'm already feeling the panic at this point. On my way back in, I felt like I drank a bottle of wine in 2 minutes. I'm surprised I didn't fall flat on my face. I got sharp chest pains with a heart rate that was scaring the shit out of me. I would say 170-180 BPM. I even considered getting an ambulance at this point, but didn't for obvious reasons. I felt a strong body stimulation. I envisioned it as a cloud in the middle of my chest that was pulsing, throbbing with energy. I've never shot meth before, but this is what I would imagine it feels like. When I don't have a specific thought in my head, my brain just makes outlandish random mental images. I saw a white pillow in the shape of a star, with a face on it. This didn't scare me in particular, it just added to the "what the fuck" factor. Far as I understand these "pictures" are a normal effect.

So my heart is just pounding away and my vision vibrates with every beat. I find it impossible to focus on anything. When I looked straight at something, my hands took on a 2D look completely. They looked like paws on some kind of wild animal. This effect would be quite nice, if I wasn't about to puke and go into cardiac arrest. I chugged down some orange juice because I read that Vitamin C can kill a high quickly if needed. I look in the mirror and my skin is completely pale. Got the usual red eyes but this was beyond reddening of the blood vessels. My eyelids were pink and I had bags under my eyes as if I hadn't slept in 3 days.

Sure enough, the orange juice came back up about 5 minutes later. Running to the toilet looked like I was watching a movie. It was such a strange third but yet first person perspective. Eventually, I started hearing voices and getting general paranoid that a certain way I was sitting would cut my blood flow off and I would have to get a limb removed. In retrospect, this sounds so fucking stupid.

The 3 hours of hell finally subsided and I was actually left with a pleasant CNS depression that gave me a really comfortable sleep.

Dude, I still get that exact same experience if I smoke to much, and it mostly happens when I consume from blunts rather than my bong. If I'm laying on my bed with music I enjoy it, if I'm at work or somewhere that requires that I pay attention to anything I end up battling bouts of anxiety. Either way, this IS normal. that's what being really high is like. But that's obviously past what should be considered a recreational dose for you.

Couldn't imagine being around people on a high dose. Done it when slightly high before. Got the usual paranoia that everyone "thinks you're high". It's so unwarranted. From the other persons' eyes there is really nothing wrong with you, but no matter what, this paranoia can't be shaken off. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if somebody jokingly asked if I smoked something. I can only imagine how shattered I would be.

 

[Shambles]

So my heart is just pounding away and my vision vibrates with every beat. I find it impossible to focus on anything. When I looked straight at something, my hands took on a 2D look completely. This effect would be quite nice, if I wasn't about to puke and go into cardiac arrest. I chugged down some orange juice because I read that Vitamin C can kill a high quickly if needed. I look in the mirror and my skin is completely pale. Got the usual red eyes but this was beyond reddening of the blood vessels. My eyelids were pink and I had bags under my eyes as if I hadn't slept in 3 days.

Classic THC OD stuff, I'd say. Sorry to keep banging on about it but that's all it is really. I'd recommend buying "shit" weed instead maybe as it's more likely to have a better balance. May take more to get high but that high is way more enjoyable. Obviously that will vary amongst individuals but for most who experience anxiety symptoms like that it's purely down to having way too high a THC content with not enough CBD to balance it as nature intended, imo. ime, oobe, thc, lsd, dmt, xtc, etc.

 

[Voxide]

Classic THC OD stuff, I'd say. Sorry to keep banging on about it but that's all it is really. I'd recommend buying "shit" weed instead maybe as it's more likely to have a better balance. May take more to get high but that high is way more enjoyable. Obviously that will vary amongst individuals but for most who experience anxiety symptoms like that it's purely down to having way too high a THC content with not enough CBD to balance it as nature intended, imo. ime, oobe, thc, lsd, dmt, xtc, etc.

You're not banging on about it. It's completely plausible. I may have to mention that I didn't smoke for 3 months prior to this incident.

Low THC tolerance + Too much to smoke + Not being used to the effects of Cannabis in general = Panic attack. During the come up, weed just makes my orientation hazed and it makes me feel "lost". I really don't know how to describe it.

With all of my Cannabis experiences (About 5-6) I've come to the conclusion that weed isn't necessarily a "feel good" drug as it so much a "feel something different" drug. Only one of my experiences was truly what I would call "good". I had about .3 of mids from a bowl, taken in small tokes. I actually felt relaxed and giggly, like someone who is high should be. It was over in about half an hour, though. I've had one panic attack (The one I'm talking about) All the other experiences were just shitty. Would have rather been cold sober. Though, I'm afraid if I try again now, I will only get another panic attack out of preconceived fear. Another part of me wants to try it out again. I feel like I have already been though Cannabis hell.

Sometimes it feels like it's harder to find low grade than it is high grade. Goes back to what you were saying about the whole high-grade craze. Strains are starting to get ridiculous and even some veteran smokers find that it hits them weird. I couldn't imagine how I would react on hash. People also usually report panic attacks with edibles, since the dose is harder to control.

If I honestly have to pay extra for Mexican brick, I don't care. My mental security is worth more than the difference of a couple bucks and the risk of being laughed at.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

Not a weed fan, and I like psyches.
the heart racing of bud is rather unpleasant as well, and i like high doses of amphet but bud's cardio effects or wha-eva are just uncomfortable. I'll smoke if i dont have to pay for it, sometimes, but ill never buy weed

 

[Solipsis]

Yes on one scale of the spectrum you have the strongly psychedelic cannabinoid experience that seems to be CB1-receptor mediated and sensitive to overdose. It can be really trippy and you might feel 'up' or 'high'. The overdose would resemble a panic attack and sometimes feeling like you are dying (ego-death or in general).
And on the other end of the spectrum is being mellow/stoned, pretty hungry, analgesia, which would be mostly CB2 effect plus modulation and especially attenuation of CB1 effect. That means that it serves as a cushion for getting very high. With all the positives and negatives associated with the high I mentioned earlier. The stoning effect I think indicates a ceiling effect for your psychedelic effects and of course you might feel pretty sleepy.

Schwag / bad weed can be pretty nice strangely enough, especially if it is biologically outdoor grown weed. It is just more subtle and it seems almost impossible to get the aforementioned OD off of it. You would fall down into a deep sleep before that would happen.

Ways to get a cannabis OD if it goes tóó far but a radical psychedelic trip if it stays within limits are:
- taking compounds like JWH-018 that push your CB1 buttons really well
- eat cannabis
- smoke cannabis that is too potent compared to your tolerance.
- make sure you get a major dose in in only one or two enormeous hits. In my experience this can get you very fucked up even though it wouldn't have if you had spaced that amount out over like 20 minutes. My working theory is that it circumvents the tachyphalactic effects i.e. acute tolerance or ceiling effect.

 

[Voxide]

Yes on one scale of the spectrum you have the strongly psychedelic cannabinoid experience that seems to be CB1-receptor mediated and sensitive to overdose. It can be really trippy and you might feel 'up' or 'high'. The overdose would resemble a panic attack and sometimes feeling like you are dying (ego-death or in general).
And on the other end of the spectrum is being mellow/stoned, pretty hungry, analgesia, which would be mostly CB2 effect plus modulation and especially attenuation of CB1 effect. That means that it serves as a cushion for getting very high. With all the positives and negatives associated with the high I mentioned earlier. The stoning effect I think indicates a ceiling effect for your psychedelic effects and of course you might feel pretty sleepy.

Schwag / bad weed can be pretty nice strangely enough, especially if it is biologically outdoor grown weed. It is just more subtle and it seems almost impossible to get the aforementioned OD off of it. You would fall down into a deep sleep before that would happen.

Ways to get a cannabis OD if it goes tóó far but a radical psychedelic trip if it stays within limits are:
- taking compounds like JWH-018 that push your CB1 buttons really well
- eat cannabis
- smoke cannabis that is too potent compared to your tolerance.
- make sure you get a major dose in in only one or two enormeous hits. In my experience this can get you very fucked up even though it wouldn't have if you had spaced that amount out over like 20 minutes. My working theory is that it circumvents the tachyphalactic effects i.e. acute tolerance or ceiling effect.

Wow. Very interesting. Now that you mention it, I smoked K2 once, 3 months prior to this. Surprisingly, I like it better than the real thing. Much less paranoia inducing. It left my head clear but it also ended in a 4-hour headache. Never did it again. I have seen many posts about JWH compounds "ruining" the weed high for many people, but is it possible that this CB1 receptor was affected after one JWH experience? The panic attack was my first time smoking after doing the K2. Both of these were very spread apart from one another. Smoked K2 after 1 month without real Cannabis and then smoked real Cannabis about 3 months after the K2.

How are the Cannbinoid receptors affected without any Cannabis being consumed? The fact that we have Cannabinoid receptors really makes me think they weren't just put there just so humans could smoke weed.

In addition, for my next experience I am going to be looking for schwag/dirt. I have read that these low grade forms of Cannabis actually give you a different type of high. More sedating than trippy. This is perfect. No need to bombard my unaccustomed receptors with crazy indoor hybrids.

 

[acidclouds]

I find that weed pushes me in a far more negative direction than acid which is nuetral or even a bit euphoric.

I like the body high of weed and its ok generally in small doses but it can definately make me anxious and paranoid very easily.

 

[Solipsis]

The cannabinoid receptors respond to neurotransmitters like anandamide (Ananda is sanskrit for bliss IIRC) so no they were put there to regulate certain functions, it seems that this system is pretty pervasive although not in critical areas where they would fuck with things like hearth rhythm and breathing. Don't quote me on this, I have a feeling there is a chance I might be confused with another neurological receptor system.

If you had uncomfortable experience(s) being 'too high' maybe it does not mean you need to overreact and avoid getting high altogether. Consider that this is a multi variable equation and the different sides have different positives and negatives. The psychedelic vs. sedative comparison is somewhat simplistic yet very effective to illustrate.
No you don't have to bombard any receptors. Highly potent cannabinoids like JWH-018 may not be the best thing for you if you are not looking to get a trippy high but several others have a less intense pharmacological profile and might have a little more of a CB1/CB2 balance. There is more to it than that but it is a fine model to use anyway, as a basis at least.

If you want to smoke cannabis just choose if you want to get stoned or to get high, the states can be significantly different as I discovered when I smoked my homemade hash oil. It was very lucid and psychedelic. Not my cup of tea though.
You can use potent strains of weed for sure but just take it easy on the dose. And also take it easy with the rate of imbibing.

 

[Shambles]

How are the Cannbinoid receptors affected without any Cannabis being consumed? The fact that we have Cannabinoid receptors really makes me think they weren't just put there just so humans could smoke weed.

Check out this documentary for the basics about why we have cannabinoid receptors, the history and changes of the cannabis plant (THC:CBD ratios) and other Goodies. It's slightly anti-weed overall but still makes some great points along the way. People have cannabinoid receptors cos our great grandaddies were whelks :D

PS: I may have simplified that just slightly

 

[Survived Abortion]

I don't think you should force yourself to try and enjoy it. Not every drug is going to suit you at every point in your life. Also, I'd go against the grain here actually and suggest that if you want to continue, use a nice Indica. They tend to be more mellow. Proper Thai weed is probably the easiest going cannabis I've smoked.

 

[Shambles]

Nah. I agree that Indica strains tend to be more mellow. Especially for those not overkeen on the more headfucky element of cannabis. Personally I still prefer the more upbeat Sativa strains but the point I'm making (repeatedly) is that both are good as long as they retain a reasonable balance. It's the hybridisation to the max that fucks them both. But Indicas will always be more mellow however fucked about with, probably.

 

[GodricNightfall]

Weed can definitly cause anixiety and fear and fuck up social situations. I mean I smoked weed for close to a year always getting very paranoid but then I came the conclusion that the reason I was getting paranoid was because I was smoking trying to "not get that high" I blinked and cured myself. I just started going eith the weed and not against it and now I love it and can never get too high. Really when I smoke weed now its just very mild hallucinagenic with just a general happy feeling. I believe anyone can enjoy cannabis, you just might have control issues which makes you battle with it. Just smoke and let yourself go of worry knowing that nothing bad will happen to you.

 

[ektamine]

To anyone who has panic attacks/doesn't like the effect of weed, where do you stand as far as psychedelics go?

Personally I love cannabis. I always have, I worked past the anxiety long before I started regularly tripping... but, I have a fair amount of friends/acquaintances that can tolerate psychedelics but get super anxious if they smoke weed.

So if you're asking if its possible, I'd say yes, maybe even that its fairly common, as cannabis-related anxiety is a pretty common occurrence. For a few of my friends, tripping on LSD even helped them work through their cannabis-related anxiety.

 

[Solipsis]

I don't think I fully understand why this thread's question is pointed at psychedelic users. What does use of psychedelics have to do with it exactly?

OK read the OP a second time. Haha sorry.

People who react badly to weed should probably start speaking up.

 

[ahkwa]

i definitely dont like marijuana at all, i prefer dxm. i get paranoid and negative thoughts from weed.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Nah. I agree that Indica strains tend to be more mellow. Especially for those not overkeen on the more headfucky element of cannabis. Personally I still prefer the more upbeat Sativa strains but the point I'm making (repeatedly) is that both are good as long as they retain a reasonable balance. It's the hybridisation to the max that fucks them both. But Indicas will always be more mellow however fucked about with, probably.

Pedigree weeds and hybrids like Blue Cheese and Sensi Skunk are intense. I can only tolerate a couple of tokes from a well-rolled joint max. It's easy to get carried away as well because of the taste.

 

[QuasiModo]

Marijuana does not come with built in monamine release (euphoria) so the happiness must be willed. Sometimes I can bring myself to LOVE being high, other times I get edgy and fall asleep. It's one of those things where if you don't, at the very beginning of the high, start yapping and getting comfortable, you'll get introspective and drift off. Its an effort for some people, idk I'm getting better at it. Seriously though some people cant hang lol