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Any long time opiate users ?

I'm guessing you're in Canada-I don't speak French buddy. I do speak Spanish and Italian, I'm sure I'll get the basic idea. That film seems obscure and hide to find. It's fiction though...I'm trying to steer away from that and see if I can learn anything from anyone else that might help me out. That story is real-or its supposed to be. We all know Burroughs is real, the junkie patron saint.
 
Almost 1 year [on Easter it will be a year] clean from benzos and opiates. I used daily for about half my life. Crazy, feels good though. I am still trying to get used to not having something to deal with 'whatever' feeling i had/have. My brain is still foggy though but school is helping with that, kinda. Cant complain.
 
jake 99. I don't think life as a user is better. Even under the best circumstances, I mean, there is always a minute, after a long waited fix, where you tell yourself: "that's is?, Is that really JUST it?" Opiates are good, sure, but not as good as we are trying to convince ourself that they are. come on. Admit it.
I mean, they are heaven when you are sick, but when yu are not...pffff
Heroin has been a passion for us, we should try to find something else because that one has been overused.
 
I use opioids for 8 years now... never stoped taking, I live in Brazil and have chronic pain for 18 years (I'm 28 years old ) - I tried to kill myself because of this 3 times... I drive my turbined car into a tree out of the road, this at 240 kph or 150 mph... the other ones where by several overdoses(various, but only 2 where intencional) 1 by fentanyl IV and the other cocaine IV.. somethimes i thing about dissolve about 20 100 mcg patch, would be 336.000 mcg... and shoot all at same time.... i've had od on fent 3 times.... would be so easy... thats hard to maintain positive at this point

I cant work at this moment (this year, i'm prescribed to ritalin too, it helped for many years...) because of the efects of the opioids I take from pain - 720mg morphine a day + 2 or 3 Duragesic 100 mcg Fentanyl patchs...

my pain has destroied the rest of my life, but without the opioids I wouldn't live any day more with that pain (:

I never tried heroin yet, is too hard to find here, the one that is found here is the colombian one, it is as white as coke

at this point all I want from my fucking life is to be in profound nod all day long so I can "live" I always take more medicine than prescripted, but they now that if they refuse to prescibe me i'll will use heroin if found or would kill myself, i just cant stand that pain, and at this moment the opioids are saving my life anyway

to answer your question... NO, but the opiates aren't by biggest problem
 
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Frankly I think opiates are that good , I love almost every drug but nothing compares. People say "it's not that good, cmon" maybe it's not for you (I'm jealous lol) but for me it is that good. I consistently risk everything because IT IS that good. And more over , life is that shitty.
 
bagochina said:
Almost 1 year [on Easter it will be a year] clean from benzos and opiates. I used daily for about half my life. Crazy, feels good though. I am still trying to get used to not having something to deal with 'whatever' feeling i had/have. My brain is still foggy though but school is helping with that, kinda. Cant complain.
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thats awesome man! I've got 19 months off opiates (minus a few one night stands) and I'll have a year off benzos 4/27.

I feel you on the brain fog, school is helping me too.. 6 months ago there is no way I could of even started school. I think the fog might dissipate some between 12 and 24 months off. Its apparent to me now that getting high every day for 10 years definitely affects ones brain chemistry.
 
if they would just legalize opiates , life would be a lot easier. i mean why the hell is methadone legal ? how is it safer than dope ? its only because it isnt sold on street and cut with stuff dope is cut with ? Why cant we have heroin clinics like they have in Switzerland which have better success rates than methadone clinics do here ?
 
jake99 said:
if they would just legalize opiates , life would be a lot easier. i mean why the hell is methadone legal ? how is it safer than dope ? its only because it isnt sold on street and cut with stuff dope is cut with ? Why cant we have heroin clinics like they have in Switzerland which have better success rates than methadone clinics do here ?
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The main reason methadone is the choice drug for replacement therapy is due to the long half-life. If you were to use something like heroin one time a day dosing wouldn't work and you would have to give take-homes of heroin (which could also be diverted). It is also a lot less likely to overdose on methadone then heroin (partly because heroin is generally IV'd which also brings other dangers to the plate)
 
So how do the clinic in switzerland have a good success rate ? I guess you go to them a few times a day ? i dont know................i think it is possible to lower the amount of dope you use if you have some self control and enuogh to get a decent supply but when it comes to totally quitting i dont know ...............See for me methadone works for the physical withdrawal, (used to even make me nod) but now even with like 30-40 mg (which i know is a lowish dose , but you cant use high doses if you wanna use it to kick) i am ok physically but the mental obsession to get high is still too hard to stop myself from doin D........................
thats why when i have ppl tell me kick cold turkey i dont know how they do it
 
So how do the clinic in switzerland have a good success rate ? I guess you go to them a few times a day ?
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I believe the clinics in Europe give away take home ampules of diamorphine.

I'm not sure what you mean by "success rate" though. Generally, success in a maintenance program like suboxone or methadone is judged by not relapsing on heroin. You can't use this same metric in a heroin maintenance program, because it is difficult to relapse if you never stop using it.

If you consider success as a user establishing a stable crime-free life, heroin maintenance is only marginally better then methadone.

The effectiveness of prescribing heroin

The evidence base is relatively weak, with only a few studies in the UK and two large-scale trials in the Netherlands and Switzerland. These studies have mainly been based on long-term heroin injectors and smokers for whom other treatments have failed.

Evidence from these studies suggests that: prescribing heroin is feasible in specialist clinical settings; it succeeds in retaining people in treatment; and there are health and social gains. Patients improve in most areas - their physical and mental health are noticeably better, illicit drug use and crime are reduced, and employment increases. However, illicit drug use and crime are not eliminated.

Most of the studies have identified benefits to individuals, but there are no data on community impact, such as the overall effect on crime and drug scenes. Nor are there any data on who would benefit most from this treatment, and no information on whether the availability of heroin prescribing attracts more people into treatment. It costs more to prescribe heroin than methadone, but it may be cost beneficial. However, it is unclear whether the benefits of prescribing heroin outweigh the additional costs when compared with prescribing methadone.
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Well what i meant by that is that they say by people going in every day and getting a slightly lower dose of heroin , they have better rates of getting clean compared to people on methadone clinics.............i could be wrong but i believe that is what i read.............it makes sense since methadone w/d is rougher than heroin w/d..............
 
I just wanna take this time to say I REALLY APPRECIATE all the clean people we have on this forum that choose to stay here even when they're clean (not sure if I could do it). But a lot of times when I come on here and am in a bad mood, people trying to talk me out of it doesn't always help.

But for some reason just *seeing* that people like villian and bagochina exist, really lifts my spirit like nothing else. And it gives me motivation to see people who had worse habits than me (much worse) and have maintained to stay sober for so long. Really you people are great, thanks for fighting the good fight and hanging around here for us all.
 
drug of choice: hydrocodone (preferred over oxy in higher amounts), oxycodone, Buprenorphine, heroin (few times, was good), dihydrocodeine and codeine. As well ive always been taking Benzos such as valium, xanax, and klonopin.

i have also detoxed from benzos several times.

im only 22 and have been using opiates since i was 14. my friends mother would give them to us for free, then she jacked up the price, then i got beat up really badly by myolder brother who almost went pro football, then i dislocated my shoulder, then i put myself into rehab (between all this was wisdom teeth extractions)
i am now out of rehab for a few years, and still on suboxone because 1 hr off the plane from rehab i relapsed however, i wentback onto suboxone slightly after.

i just feel good on suboxone, and i know that i can quit anytime with minimal widthdrawal
 
Bo i agree with you its good to see PPL on here that have made it..............
to INFAMOUSRYAN: i have never seen anyone who liked Vicodin better than Oxy or Subs better than dope, but hey guess its a good thing for you ...............You say you have kicked benzos many times, just curious , how did you do it ?
i can relate to your relapse right after getting off the plane because when i went to florida i had been off subs 4-5 days while i was there , sick whole time , then soon as i got back home , copped on the way home................But to say that you can quit subs with minimal w/d is hard to believe.............unless you are down to crumbs like .25 or something.....................
i know even trying to kick 1 mg is rough .................especially since you gradually get sicker as day 2, 3, 4, etc goes by .....................
only reason id rather have a dope habit is that w/d isnt neraly as long as subs or methadone..................but it is still so intense that its pretty rough to get thru , even when you have subs or methadone to help, (at least for me)
just knowing that you can cop and make all the pain go away makes it so easy to stay stuck in that cycle
 
jake99 said:
Bo i agree with you its good to see PPL on here that have made it..............
to INFAMOUSRYAN: i have never seen anyone who liked Vicodin better than Oxy or Subs better than dope, but hey guess its a good thing for you ...............You say you have kicked benzos many times, just curious , how did you do it ?
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how i kick everything: taper, eating, and dietary supplements.
however with benzos if i was to kick a huge valium habit i'd take librium, if i was to kick a xanax habit i'd take klonopin. and also for klonopin i'd also take librium.

all around librium is the best detox drug for benzodiazepines
(possibly a barbituate if you really feel like you're going to go into seizures, like phenolbarbitol)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=9541103#post9541103<--
here is my detox plan, and also the supplements that i take, which keep me high as fuck every day.

i get high as FUCK every time i take my suboxone.
between 2-6mg. i am not talking just like a back of the head sensation, i get full body euphoria as well as a nod at the end of the long ass euphoria that makes me wanna get to sleep. it is quite amazing really, as sub never did this to me years ago.


hydrocodone is way more euphoric to me than oxycodone (IN MY OPINION). if i was taking a 80 of oxy around 120mg of hydro would have me feeling better than if i was on oxy. now.. suboxone gets me higher than any opiate i have ever tried.

PS i have jumped off sub from every dose including 34mg. 34mg i did have widthdrawal, puking, no eating for a month. now that i am down to 2-6mg i can jump off anytime even if i was taking 12.. but like i said.. look at my detox plan, if you dont try it, than you cant say it doesnt work. because it absolutely works for me.
 
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