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Any 100% Sure Ways To "Remove" Caffeine From CWE?

methadon3000

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Cold water extractions are fucked up and dangerous since codeine overpowers caffeine only for a little bit and then your wondering why you have a huge heart rate and vertigo when you stand up.

I have done methods where they told me to 'boil' it on small till it reaches a boil and that it is 25% or so caffeine it it...I think its also 25% codeine as well.

Any methods to vaporize it? Or other sure and good methods to remove the caffeine from a CWE?
 
Here's a quotation from some discussion group: "Codeine is very impartially soluble in isopropyl alcohol so I think that isopropanol could work to wash the codeine phosphate of caffeine, at the loss of some codeine"

Better use isopropanol that contains little water.
 
DCBAe and xxl are the same idea...doesn't sound that complicated, can you further explain it. Would be in debt. What is activated charcoal?
 
here is the best procedure i've ever found for extracting codeine from the aspiriin, codeine/caffeine. if done right, leaves very little caffeine in final product. because of this technique ive never really gone through any sort of severe withdrawal from the big boys.

Procedure 2

Over the years, I have developed my own technique for extracting codeine from OTC aspirin products. [Such products are over the counter (OTC) in places like Canada and the United Kingdom--not the USA -Ed.] I have read the FAQ and think that the cold water method is a good process, but that my process is better since it eliminates the bulk of the caffeine and is much easier to do. The only drawback of my process is that it doesn't work with Tylenol containing tablets. Thus the procedure below only is useful with AC&C type tablets from Canada.

Advantages:

* Removes almost all the aspirin.
* Leaves very little caffeine in the product.
* Is faster to prepare.
* Requires no power, refrigeration, or complicated equipment.
* Has built in filtration.
* Necessary equipment can fit in a small pouch or bag.
* None of the equipment is restricted.

Disadvantage:

* Doesn't work with tablets containing Tylenol.

The equipment needed is readily available and will fit into a relatively small pouch or bag. I will list the equipment below:

* 20 cc or 30 cc syringe, either glass or plastic (available at hobby or craft stores)
* Small piece of paper towel about 3 x 3 inches
* Mortar and Pestle (to grind tablets, or suitable substitute)
* Funnel
* Water
* Small collection bottle

Procedure:

Take the small piece of paper towel and fold it up so that it forms a plug about 1/8" thick that will fit the circular area of the 20 cc syringe that you have chosen. Get it soaked with water and push it down to the bottom of the syringe. Insert the syringe plunger and push it all the way down and press the paper at the bottom. The paper should form a plug that fits the shape of the syringe about 1/8 inch thick. Your filtering syringe is now ready for use. You only have to do this part once.

Grind about 20 AC&C tablets (160mg codeine) into a fine powder. I use a thick walled juice glass about 2 inches tall and a steel rod about 1/2 inch in diameter and 6 inches long. I place the 20 tablets in the bottom and break them each by placing the end of the steel rod on each tablet and pressing while twisting. After all are broken up, move the steel rod around against the walls for about a minute to grind into a fine powder. It is important that a fine powder be obtained. Note: AC&C tabs come from basically 2 manufacturers. One makes a little larger tablet that is much easier to grind. I get this one as a brand name called "Life". The other maker usually is the "Big V" brand. Both work well, the slightly larger tabs just grind easier.

Pour the powder into the open syringe. It should go in evenly. Use a funnel or a paper water cup with the bottom cut off to pour it in. In a 20cc syringe, it will fill about 10cc or so. Gently tamp down the surface of the powder about a quarter inch or so to make a firm surface. I use the steel rod to do this. Pour down the sides about 5 to 8cc of room temperature water. Pour it down the sides as to not break up the surface of the powder. Gently insert the plunger into the syringe and apply gentle pressure. You want the water to take about a minute to travel evenly through the powder. It is important that it travel evenly, if not then you made a mistake in grinding, pouring, or packing the powder. As the water travels through the powder, codeine's large solubility makes it concentrate in the leading edge of the water inhibiting the dissolution of the aspirin and caffeine.

Collect about 3 to 4 cc of the solution, about 60 to 80 drops depending on the syringe tip. This small volume of solution will have virtually all of the codeine and very little of the aspirin and caffeine. When done, withdraw the plunger. Then, many times, you can blow hard on the end of the syringe and the plug of aspirin will come out making it ready for next time.

This solution can be sterilized and IM injected or just taken orally. I usually do 2 of these batches into a 20cc small bottle. For oral use, I'll fill the rest of the bottle with water so that I can judge the dose more accurately. For IM injection, I'll put one batch in the bottle and add an equal volume of water. Then loosen the lid to allow pressure to escape and put it in the microwave for 10 to 60 seconds depending on the oven. Watch through the window and stop it when it starts to boil. Allow it to cool and it is ready for injection into one of many enjoyable spots. A fine point for IM, they put an acidic powder in the tabs which makes the product solution irritating when injected. This can be neutralized with a very small amount of baking soda. Don't add too much though, if the solution goes basic in pH it will be much worse than the original. If the solution doesn't fizz when you add the baking soda, you've added too much.

This simple technique is fast and efficient. I can perform this procedure in a couple of minutes. If you try this with tabs containing Tylenol, it will form a solid plug of powder and no matter how hard you apply pressure you won't be able to get any solution out. For Tylenol products, use the FAQ cold water technique.


I have tried this, and i am certain that it removes about 95% of all caffeine, if you work precisely enough you can actually resolidify the liquid and end up with a powder that can be injected into the muscle after sterilization of soln. (IM ONLY; DO NOT IV),
I have muscled that stuff numerous times (micron filtered of course, expensive...) and it feels identical to the shots of Codeine i got in the hospital!
 
^ Hows that getting rid of the caffeine? Looks just like a small-scale CWE to me.

I bet if you where to do higher doses, you would feel the caffeine.
 
You could still find activated charcoal at your street chemist's (pharmacy). It used to be popular against diarreha and some forms of food poisoning. Beware of other components though.

E.g. : Carbobel Simplex (Medgenix) : charbon activé 300mg + magnésium citrate 20mg + méthénamine 40mg

Magnesieum citrate would pose no threat, I wonder about methanamine.
 
^ Hows that getting rid of the caffeine? Looks just like a small-scale CWE to me.

I bet if you where to do higher doses, you would feel the caffeine.

you are using 2 - 3 mls of water at most, and in these 3mls of water, most of the codeine is disolved! Thing is, there is only a small ammount of caffeine soluble in 1 ml of water, but since codeine is more soluble in the water, guess what is in the first 25 - 60 drops that are comming out?

I have used the method up to 50 pills at once, and there was no sign of caffeine before and after the crash. I used to dose before sleep (Oral), and after the high wore off, i fell asleep like a baby :).
 
why has no one mentioned how extremely dangerous it is to inject (iv or im) this codeine/asprin/caffeine mix.. you are just askin for an abcess or some other nasty reaction. pleasei hope no one thinks its okay to injec any of these formulation
 
^Its not only dangerous, it probably wouldnt work. Codeine (to my knowledge) has to be converted into morphine via the liver to be effective. So you have to swallow your codeine, even if you CWE and charcoal filter out the other impurities.
 
i like this syringe idea. going to try it next time.

i did something on a similar tip, using a very small amount of water to redissolve the codeine after evaporating a regular CWE that used 1/4 cup of water originally. i think i used 15ml for the redissolve, and it worked pretty well.

tried the charcoal before, and it was useless. it was not selective as a filter.

OP, since you're in canada, you can get Mersyndol otc. it's got doxylamine in place of caffeine at a ratio where a standard CWE is fine.
 
^Its not only dangerous, it probably wouldnt work. Codeine (to my knowledge) has to be converted into morphine via the liver to be effective. So you have to swallow your codeine, even if you CWE and charcoal filter out the other impurities.

man, they gave me shots of 180mgs subcutaneous Codeine in the hospital, so it can certainly be injected into muscles / under the skin.

Do i recommend doing that with something you brewed at home? No, certainly not.
But if you have the means and skills of producing a clean, sterile solution for injection, why not? I personally trust my 20 micron fiter, and my ability to work absolutely sterile. Do you?

(sure, one could say "why the filter if you trust your skills?", thing is, i don't trust the people producing and handling the pills before they get into my hands =D)
 
The sort of person that would do that, would likely be a desperate junky in WD.

I know from first hand experiance, that when in this state hygiene isn't very high on my list of priorities..
 
chinacat311 said:
why has no one mentioned how extremely dangerous it is to inject (iv or im) this codeine/asprin/caffeine mix.. you are just askin for an abcess or some other nasty reaction. pleasei hope no one thinks its okay to injec any of these formulation

Because no one mentioned it? It's pretty well known that it's unable to be used IV, and the additives present are a good deterrent as well.

rave23 said:
man, they gave me shots of 180mgs subcutaneous Codeine in the hospital, so it can certainly be injected into muscles / under the skin.

Yes, it certainly works IM/SC; the reason IV is so dangerous is that with all that codeine going into your system at once so quickly, the histamine response is huge and potentially fatal (pulmonary embolism).

With IM/SC, it gets into your blood slower, so less danger.
 
yes, ive posted on another forum...
the solution is running the CWE thru activated charcoal.. then remove the AC, by doing that you are removing the caffeine together with the AC but not the codeine.

its already tested..

Just to clarify.... was it another forum, or another thread? I wouldn't mind checking it over. Also what do you mean by removing the AC, what is it removed from?

I tried running my CWE through an AC bag that was jammed into the bottom of a funnel. The resulting drink wasn't as bitter as usual, and I got less of a buzz.

I didn't feel the caffeine at all which was great, but I couldn't sleep even with a sleeping pill cocktail. Lucky me Im sensitive to caffeine.

So I'm wondering if I am missing something or did something wrong since I didn't "remove" the AC as it were.

Next I'll try more and see if I can get more of a buzz and still have the caffeine-free feeling. Very promising.
 
It was on another forum.

AC is used for purifying morphine in the last step, it removes impurites but not morphine from the solution, and it works for codeine too.

AC is also used for extracting caffeine from coffee beans for making decaffeinated coffe this days.. it removes caffeine with it..

So for those who say it doesnt work they are wrong.just google around and see if the above isnst true!?!

Maybe the bag was made with paper? maybe the paper absorved the codeine from the water? but caffeine is way more bitter than codeine, its one of the most bitter alkaloids..
Add AC to the allready done CWE and then filter..
 
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It was on another forum.

So for those who say it doesnt work they are wrong.just google around and see if the above isnst true!?!

Oh I believe it works, I did get a buzz, and felt no caffeine agitation whatsoever.

Maybe the bag was made with paper? maybe the paper absorved the codeine from the water? but caffeine is way more bitter than codeine, its one of the most bitter alkaloids..

Yep it was cloth like paper that came with the AC pouches. I had no idea caffeine is bitter.

Add AC to the allready done CWE and then filter..

Ok. I actually ran the solution through the charcoal "filter", but didn't put any AC directly into the solution itself.

I'll dig up your thread on the other forum and try again.

Thanks.
 
Add AC to the allready done CWE and then filter..

Ok I've reviewed some of the other threads and this is what I'm understanding.


1) Do the CWE. Lets assume 40 APAPs and 80 ml water. Add (say a handful) of rinsed AC pellets to the CWE, then swish around for a while.

2) Filter the AC OUT of the solution with whatever kind of filter, and drink.
 
yeah, thats the procedure. Be careful with filtration cause in each filtration you do, you loose codeine..

do like they do for morphine...
Extraction of morphine.

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Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it.
source: http://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/heroinmfg.html
 
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