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Any 100% Sure Ways To "Remove" Caffeine From CWE?

DCBAe said:
So for those who say it doesnt work they are wrong.
Maybe the bag was made with paper? maybe the paper absorved the codeine from the water? but caffeine is way more bitter than codeine, its one of the most bitter alkaloids..
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gtfo
 
This time I tried with 100 AC&C and wayy more AC (filled the glass of solution half way up, maybe a bit more).

Drank the 1st half, boiled down the other half for later. I got a great buzz, itchy, minor UR, slightly blurred vision, and passed out NO problem...

The second half boiled to a paste in no time. I licked the stirring fork with a bit of paste on it to test, and it was so bitter I went cross eyed.

I didn't wan't to try this method at first for fear of loss of codeine. It used to take me forever to get thru a CWE. IMO, this is the only way to go. I don't know about A/B wash etc, hopefully I'll get the chance to try that sometime.

I'd like to find out more about the amount of AC ratio-wise to use if anyone has recommendations. If not I'll try variations search around a bit and pass on what I find out.

If you are new to CWE with OTC AC&C, I'd try this way first. The codeine loss is not noticeable at all if you get the ratios right, and it takes relatively no time.

As for the paste (which is now powder), it came to a pretty heavy boil for a while. I get 200 of these for next to nothing since AC&C is rarely used around here so it's not marked up like the APAP... so I wanted to be a bit adventurous. I'll report back to see if it killed the codeine or not.
 
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What about the charcoal that remains in your final solution? How healthy is that?
 
muie said:
Yeah....charcoal DOES make u sick....so what the fuck is the deal here?
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Really? I just drank some a few hrs ago with a considerable amount of crunchy gross"soot" from squeezing the last bit through.

I didn't look too far into it but I heard the stuff is harmless unless you ingest a large amount in which case physically too much volume wise.

Great buzz for Codeine.
 
Amount of AC to use

After a few tries, I'd recommend using less than 1/8th of the total volume. Too much of it kills the codeine.

P.S. I've been using the same AC for the last 4 CWE's (at least), and they are still working.
 
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FYI I work in an ER and Activated Charcoal is used to remove codeine in OD/ingestion. You would remove more codeine/other opiate than caffeine. Dont waste your time or effort. it is totally worthless.
 
niebus said:
FYI I work in an ER and Activated Charcoal is used to remove codeine in OD/ingestion. You would remove more codeine/other opiate than caffeine. Dont waste your time or effort. it is totally worthless.
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I've heard that a lot.

All I can say is I got way more of a buzz this way than with only the CWE alone, or with Chromic's method.

Also as mentioned earlier it's used to remove impurities from morphine base.

http://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162....heroinmfg.html
 
Lifeonthepharm said:
I've heard that a lot.

All I can say is I got way more of a buzz this way than with only the CWE alone, or with Chromic's method.

Also as mentioned earlier it's used to remove impurities from morphine base.

http://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162....heroinmfg.html
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There are several BIG diferences between what you are comparing
1. You are trying to purify about 1% codein tabs- the heroin is near 100% so any loss would be MINISCULE
2. A SMALL amount of charcoal is added to heroin, mainly to decolorize it. You have to use a much larger percent charcoal to remove aspirin/caffeine
3. The amount of charcoal as to the tiny percentage of codeine would totally eliminate it.
4. I am sorry to say, but any "buzz" you felt is known as the placebo effect. If your brain truly beleives you will feel a buzz, guess what? You will "feel" a "buzz"
 
niebus said:
There are several BIG diferences between what you are comparing
1. You are trying to purify about 1% codein tabs- the heroin is near 100% so any loss would be MINISCULE
2. A SMALL amount of charcoal is added to heroin, mainly to decolorize it. You have to use a much larger percent charcoal to remove aspirin/caffeine
3. The amount of charcoal as to the tiny percentage of codeine would totally eliminate it.
4. I am sorry to say, but any "buzz" you felt is known as the placebo effect. If your brain truly beleives you will feel a buzz, guess what? You will "feel" a "buzz"
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Whatever works. I'm going to make one now... while I wait for my pods.
 
Caffeine's solubility in room temp water is 22mg/ml. Codeine's solubility is much more than that, on the order of a gram in a few mls 1g/2.25ml (Codeine Phosphate). As long as you use very little water, you will get almost no caffeine. Sure using less water wastes more, but that's the price you have to pay.

If someone can find proper figures for the solubility of Codeine PO4 and SO4 at different temps, they would be greatly obliged. The only ones I can find at a glance are polluted by CWE docs which I don't trust as much as scientific journals.

Therefore, if you used 2ml of water, you should get a good CWE as the caffeine would come out of solution and you'd have the equivalent of approx 800mg codeine and 50mg per CWE.

The trick, of course, is to do a CWE with such a tiny amount of water and still get some product.
 
^I would also like to find out more on this.

However for the beginner, I still have to recommend using the AC method.

I just downed my usual amount with only CWE, no charcoal or anything. The codeine buzz is exactly the same but with major caffeine which is fine cuz it's early in the day.

It may have something to do with the "ceiling" level. Maybe AC takes both caffeine and codeine out, but more of the caffeine.

I've just tried it back and forth a few times, so I really doubt it's placebo.
 
All the CWE docs report that codeine salts increase in solubility with decreasing temp. While Im sure that certain moleculse might exibit this property every now and then with certain solutions (apparently exothermic dissolution exists albeit rare from the amount of google hits I can find - pls feel free to correct me if im mistaken, i havent done chemistry for years), it seems that whoever wrote the orig CWE bible either had the 2 temp pts mixed around for codeine and every single variation contains the same mistake. I somehow doubt that codeine sol tends to infinity (or any number other than 0) as the water temp approaches 0C.

Freebase codeine definitely follows the norm as I understand it, more temp = more solubility. Would the salts be any diffefent? Also, freebase codeine had quite a high MP/BP (>120*C IIRC), anyone know whether this is why opium is smokable but morphine and codeine salts are destroyed at ~ 80+?
 
i tried the "syringe method" that rave23 posted on page 1 and it worked well. it is quick and easy (forced filtration = way faster), and you're left with very little CWE to consume if you follow the steps (mine was 10ml). i estimate a yield of about 70%. not bad for 10 minutes start to finish! :)
 
hexxx said:
Caffeine's solubility in room temp water is 22mg/ml. Codeine's solubility is much more than that, on the order of a gram in a few mls 1g/2.25ml (Codeine Phosphate). As long as you use very little water, you will get almost no caffeine. Sure using less water wastes more, but that's the price you have to pay.

If someone can find proper figures for the solubility of Codeine PO4 and SO4 at different temps, they would be greatly obliged. The only ones I can find at a glance are polluted by CWE docs which I don't trust as much as scientific journals.

Therefore, if you used 2ml of water, you should get a good CWE as the caffeine would come out of solution and you'd have the equivalent of approx 800mg codeine and 50mg per CWE.

The trick, of course, is to do a CWE with such a tiny amount of water and still get some product.
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This is something that's crossed my mind, considering the solubilities of caffeine and codeine phosphate. Also, according to some figures, codeine phosphate becomes more soluble at lower temperatures, whereas caffeine is just the opposite. Thus, wouldn't using water of say, 2 degrees Celsius potentially reduce the amount of caffeine?

Does anyone have access to a Merck Index? The solubilities of caffeine and codeine at different temperatures would be extremely helpful.
 
Am i wrong in believing that the AC wont work for the Tylenol containing pills?
Sorry i guess i got a little lost(in arush atm) and wasnt sure if this Charcoal thing was only for Aspirin.

'Kuz like i have 800 of these damn 325/15/8 pills and they tempt me so, but caffeine is a beast in this case. 300mg of codeine = roughly over half a gram of caffeine! Ouch! : (

Anyway if i can use AC to kill the caffeine with the shtuff i got im goin to a pharmacy asap. : )
 
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