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Am I the only one here who hates all the issues surrounding LSD? Do I care too much..

I definitely think that LSD is the quintessential psychedelic. This may because it was the first "harder" drug I had ever taken (before shrooms, but after weed/hash and alcohol) and I may think this because it is the psychedelic I am most experienced with. I had mainly only done LSD and shrooms during high school except for one experience with AMT, 5-MeO-AMT and a few experiences with MDA. I think LSD is superior to shrooms so this was my staple psychedelic during the first 5 years of my psychedelic voyages. Because of my basically exclusive use of LSD I definitely have learned the most from LSD than any other psychedelic, but after trying other psychedelics recently I feel many others have the same potential.

In the meantime you will find that 2C-E is just as rewarding as LSD is for most people. Many people that used LSD exclusively were turned on to 2C-E and found them to be equally rewarding. Along with 2C-E there is also 2C-T-7. Out of the 2C-Xs I find 2C-T-7 to be the closest to LSD in terms of visuals, intensity, mental insight and duration. 2C-T-7 is very emotional, insightful and extrmely visual in my experience.

I have not dipped into my DPT yet but from what I have read it may be even more intense and more eye-opening compared to LSD. Definitely something to look into.

4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MiPT are fairly similar to shrooms but I enjoy them more. I have limited experience with 4-HO-MiPT but it is definitely more insightful than 4-AcO-DMT which is more playful. If you are looking for a more LSD-like intense experience than 4-HO-MiPT may be more up your alley compared to 4-AcO-DMT, but they are both very rewarding.

I encourage you to look into 2C-E, 2C-T-7, 4-HO-MiPT, DPT and also 4-AcO-DMT in the meantime as they are all very rewarding and in the same realm as LSD in my opinion, and when LSD finds you be ready to grab a sheet when you find some good quality shit! That's one thing I encourage everyone. If you find some good quality LSD grab as much as you can! It has been less common this year in my area so I am thankful I put away a strip of Madhatters from last summer.

Don't feel like you are missing out as many psychedelics have the same potential as LSD but based on it's historical signifigance LSD is definitely the quintessential psychedelic which almost all other psychedelics are compared to.
 
^^^^ I agree entirely on the historical signifigance factor and also heavily support your claim for 4-AcO-DMT being the next up-and-comer in the psychedellic realm, it`s like god took the nature of DMT and stabilized it with EASY EUPHORIA which is not always a package deal with psychs, i find alot of trips are blown by malaise allowing one to get deep into this substance while feeling safe and comfortable. If the rhetoric is accurate that all psychedellics take one to the same place of grand human conception and same divine goal but in different degrees, then 4-AcO-DMT is of utmost importance.

I feel for LSD because the government cracks down so hard on it, like... enticing us to take even bigger risks for it due to the fear that it may be gone one day, it`s in my INSTINCT to hoard some blotter at any time possible, I had a full sheet this winter and gobbled it all up between me and a few friends by July.

I would feel...as bad as an animal going extinct if I couldn`t find any more LSD, all these fancy RCs have been a part of my exploration lately but some of them just don`t cut it in terms of nostalgia. I was no where near the 1960`s but taking a few tabs can allow me to reminisce about those days and feel what my previous generation was feeling. it`s fun to chow down on tabs while half the drug scene is full of half-brained myths about it as well, makes me feel a little high and mighty!

I ate 39 tabs of LSD this spring/summer, not of supreme quality, but sentimentally the same batch of tabs that I had started with 5 years ago. and I gobbled them all up and still want a supply, in passing states of mind I had decided that the whole sheet would last me a lifetime, in other states of mind...I ate 12 tabs in a night! heard some anecdotes about other friends of friends chowin down on 10 tabs and i had figured i`d try high dose territory for the first time, assisted by above average tolerance from chewin down 27 tabs over the months prior as well as many other tryptamines and phenyls.

The trip was overwhelming, physically incapacitating like no other LSD trip had been before. But mentally A-ok, I feel I have a classic affiliation with this compound as my fathers stories of having tripped over 100 times finally turned archetype in my head. I must have had 40+ trips on LSD and find myself in a great spiritual compulsion towards it.

All i know is that i`ll be happier the next day I score a sheet than the day i was laid after abstaining for a year and a half :S. LSD Fills me with a freedom energy tinged (just a little trickle, not full blown) with chaotic insanity.

Best stretching sessions of my life were on LSD.

I have my own view of LSD being closer to instant buddhism, or the `3rd person` state. after I take LSD I gain a view from outside of my body, from what seems like the top of my head but a few feet back. I really get the àll is one`aspect of philosophy from my perspective alone, and have come to understand out of body experiences...even trained while on LSD to endure high amounts of physical pain.

mushrooms scare me out of my skin to make me confront issues into being a better person, LSD is like a free-open ended psychotherapy session, reminds me of the stuff from 1960`s psychology articles that one cannot understand until they`re in the drivers seat. (comparing to other psychdellics, especially mushrooms is impossible to avoid when talking about LSD) saying this if I were trust upon the responsibility to choose one and not the other for the duration of my life it would be LSD.

Us humans made it and that FASCINATES me. we havent been able to synthesize anything as benign or desirable, powerful and sentimental as LSD since it`s creation. If it went extinct I would utilize one of the many synth guides on the web and make it my INSTINCTUAL DUTY to work to making this creation stay alive... in mass quantities mwahahaha!( jk..for now)

You dont care to much at all!, when I was having trouble finding LSD I got up off my butt and hunted it down until I found it! I really worked myself up about the pickard bust years ago... little did I know during the panic that there are surely ;) other good men out there cooking at the risk of their livelyhood, and to them here and now, I salute them!
 
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phew said:
I'm aware of all this. I'm aware that there are many experiences far more powerful (and easily obtainable) than LSD.

Think of me as an art collector (or an anything collector, really) who sees LSD as the one "must-have" piece. That's how it works, right? You love all the others, but you'll always be more attracted to the one that isn't in your collection. It stems from this desire to have had them all.

Now I'm reminded me of my younger years, where I'd want so much and felt that it wasn't fair that things would finally come to me when I didn't care either way. My friends and I would believe that once we were older and all our desires were falling into our laps, we'd all be so bitter about it that we'd never enjoy the things we so desperately desired before. In a way, we were right. I didn't enjoy some things as much when I finally got to experience them because I felt that it was too late and I was too old to be experimenting with such things: fail. I know you're not supposed to be attached either way. Whether it comes or not, life must still go on. But it's difficult to let go and be happy.

If I truly stopped wanting it so much, then by the time I get it, who knows how I'll feel. Let's say I do everything else I can (which, admittedly, is a lot) and then I get a hold of LSD. What happens if the experience is blunted because I feel foolish for having wanted it so badly earlier? I would've been happy if I had it earlier, but I won't be as happy if I have it later. If I don't get it at all, that's one source of happiness gone from my life.

Meditation becomes more valuable each day for dealing with issues like this. I'd be a wreck if I couldn't clear my mind and refocus from time to time. This still bothers me, but it's not that bad. Just disappointing.
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wow, can i ever relate to your posts. i can recall wanting things sooo so badly, missing my chance for them and having others assure me it was alright because i would eventually get them. but on the inside, i would be screaming "you don't understand... by then i won't want it anymore." and quite often that was the case, to one degree or another, as our desires change as we progress from one stage of life to another.

and i am just like you when it comes to lsd. as a youth, i wanted to try lsd more than anything. mushrooms just didn't cut it, not because they weren't spectacular, but because i just so desperately wanted to know what i was missing in lsd. every psychedelic thing i read said lsd..lsd...lsd. i would have given an arm to try lsd at that time, it was my life's mission (well that and enlightenment, but i perhaps naively believed the former would help me to reach the latter). alas though, i just couldn't find it. years passed, some of which i wasn't even remotely in the drug scene and so my hopes of finding it dwindled but my desire to try it never completely left so i finally decided to make another attempt to get it which actually turned out to be successful. in fact, i have lsd in my freezer right now. however, the timing was such that i just decided to come off of benzos at that very time i found lsd and decided i did not want my first lsd experience to be marred by withdrawal symptoms or even worse, end up turning into probably one of the worst bad trips imaginable as i can't think of many things worse than a bad trip plus benzo withdrawal. anyway, it has been sitting in my freezer ever since and from what i am told it could take another 2-3 more years for the benzo withdrawal symptoms to diminish. by then i will be entering my 30s and i also feel quite guilty for having wanted to try lsd so much.

i now believe it is a law of the universe that if you want something too much, you cannot have it. and that is why circumstances were always such that it slipped through my grasp. the same thing has happened to me with other things i have wanted too much as well.

anyway, about all we can do is try to make the best of it if/we we do get to experience it and try not to feel too silly over it.

btw, i have learned that lsd is easy to obtain. all one has to do is follow the advice given by roger&me in this thread. forget the "lsd finds you" crap and just go to where the acid is.
 
burn out said:
i now believe it is a law of the universe that if you want something too much, you cannot have it. and that is why circumstances were always such that it slipped through my grasp. the same thing has happened to me with other things i have wanted too much as well.
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I think of the universe somewhat like a giant mirror: what you send out there is reflected back at you. Thus, if I want LSD this is exactly what I get - the experience of wanting it. Rather, providing the mirror with the thought that I will have LSD produces the reflection I really desire. In my experience, including in relation to drugs, this change in thinking has been truly successful.
 
I think what the OP says applies to (almost) every drug out there.

The only problem is that to me, LSD is pretty hard to find, specially in terms of quality :-(
 
^^ Whatever it takes to get you to stop sulking and do something about it bro.

The first few times i tried acid, i had little to no knowledge or desire for it but it happened its way into my group of friends and i said what the hell. Since then the only time i went out and found it was when i went to a festival at golden gate park; being from Jersey finding it in cali was (literally) a walk in the park. Every other time i have gotten it, it literally just happened it self into my possession. I have woken up to calls from friends saying "wanna trip today?" or had dealers i never would have thought to ask randomly offer it. Basically, unless you know exactly where to go, whether or not you find it will always come down to luck. There are plenty of places around the world where you can find acid as easy as you can find heroin or crack, But if you don't live near one of those places or don't know of any near you, ask around and don't expect it to "find you when you're ready". Want it, find it, but don't act like you need it or people will be less likely to open up honestly about it in your presence.
 
Devotchkin said:
I think of the universe somewhat like a giant mirror: what you send out there is reflected back at you. Thus, if I want LSD this is exactly what I get - the experience of wanting it. Rather, providing the mirror with the thought that I will have LSD produces the reflection I really desire. In my experience, including in relation to drugs, this change in thinking has been truly successful.
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your right about there mirror but instead of wanting you have to imagine having.. then you will soon have it, if you want you will only receive more want.

and you have to meet the universe half way.
 
LSD ain't the Holy Grail - don't put so much pressure on yourself about a single chemical.

Psychedelics are about experiencing the nature of the universe and there are many ways to investigate it that are just as valid as taking LSD.
 
Ive never had a mental ass kicking, or visuals NEAR my two legit LSD experiences (where I was 95% certain it wasnt fake.) The visuals were unlike any other 5-ht2a drug I have ever done. And the mental head space change was much different and profound than shrooms. Its by no means the holy grail, but its a special one.


Too bad a lot of people selling it, even if its real, dont know about its stability and such. One reason people probably put other stuff on blotters...it wont break down as quick.
 
sackynut said:
Ive never had a mental ass kicking, or visuals NEAR my two legit LSD experiences (where I was 95% certain it wasnt fake.) The visuals were unlike any other 5-ht2a drug I have ever done. And the mental head space change was much different and profound than shrooms. Its by no means the holy grail, but its a special one.


Too bad a lot of people selling it, even if its real, dont know about its stability and such. One reason people probably put other stuff on blotters...it wont break down as quick.
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That's the other bad thing with LSD, it's impossible to know what you're taking until it kicks in. I've had some amazing experiences with Lucy, but I've also been disappointed when I've realized my blotters didn't have acid but something else :(
 
burn out said:
i now believe it is a law of the universe that if you want something too much, you cannot have it. and that is why circumstances were always such that it slipped through my grasp. the same thing has happened to me with other things i have wanted too much as well.
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I dunno... sometimes Karma works in another way entirely. There's always the old and too often painfully true maxim:

Be careful what you wish for... you might just get it.

=D
 
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phew said:
It just frustrates me, I wish there wasn't so much bullshit. I wish it wasn't hyped up so goddamn much. If it isn't as good as everyone says it is, one day I'll look back at this and marvel at how brilliant the promotion was. It's so appealing... the way I imagine having pure LSD and ingesting a tiny piece that leads to a wonderland... *sigh*
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I understand what you are saying, however I don't think you should get yourself so worked up about it. A lot of my friends in past used to be eager to try it after having me explain what it's like, and they got all excited about it for quite a long time. However when they finally came to trying it for the first time, the quality of the LSD wasn't amazing and that has now forever put a bad light on their points of view on LSD.

It is a fantastic drug but like DwayneHoover said:

DwayneHoover said:
Make new friends. Be genuine, likable, entertaining. Help people. LSD will find you sooner rather than later if you do these things.
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It will find you, so don't dwell on the wish of having it because you might get an idea in your head which is better than your experience will actually be.

Peace
 
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