This is in reply to the first page from what I've read so far: Firstly that gym iron bar was good to an extent but once you've got a proper programme and realise what your doing you dont want to be working the same group of muscles every day, which is basically what I used to do with home work out ie bench press, press ups, chin ups and weights, sit ups and a run a couple of days a week. You would honestly get far fitter going to an actual gym Dan and also you would have more motivation if you've got one of your buddies hounding on at you 'one more rep you can do it' even if they spot you its still mostly all you just gives you a bit more push.
Lifting naturally you're going to get fat alongside muscle when bulking up, you have to realise this. Bulk for a few months, then cut down. Rinse, repeat. This way you will never get too fat. On a cut you're not going to get any stronger but you'll cut down on bodyfat, it's imperative that you keep lifting as heavy as possible otherwise your muscles have no reason to stay and will shrink down. On a cut you should eat 500 calories under your TDEE but keep protein consumption very high. Lean protein sources are fish, whey/casien protein shakes, low fat yogurt, chicken breast etc. Foods better for bulking are beef, pork, nuts, whole milk, lamb etc.
Yes I do realise this, it's the only reason I continue doing cardio. However you are speaking a fair bit of sense really as I see my friend who does no cardio whatsoever and basically everything else the same as me is getting more out of it than I seem to be. I've decided as of today no more cardio and I'm just going to bulk til july/august, not ideal as I'd like to maintain my rippedness for the festivals in the summer but fuck it I doubt I loose out on many birds either way. I also have a bit of a cunt with bulking foods as my whole family now bar me and my uncle are vegitarian, the mother is not that bothered about me cooking chicken etc but hates the smell of bacon, beef and whatever else, hardly ideal. I spend most of my money cramming that in when I'm out, well that and booze. This weekend I'm not going to drink until sat. I'll take on board what you said about 4 days a week rather than 5 aswell as it's been said before and elsewhere online.
I've been lifting for the past eight months without steroids, in that time I have gone from benching 30kg to 90kg, squatting 50 to 130kg and deadlifting 70 to 170kg. Bulked the whole time. I have put on around 3 stone in weight but realistically around half of that is bodyfat. You can put on a lot of muscle naturally, especially at first. Getting your diet right makes such a difference, it's literally like being on cycle.
This is interesting cos I've gone from literally the same except I cannot if my life depended on it touch more than 70kgs on the bench. Probably because I haven't actually bulked properly concidering cardio and weekend booze/cocaine binges I'm probably doing quite well to be at 70. Your story interests me quite a bit.
Steroids have many uses. For strength and muscle mass, not to mention medical use. In terms of increasing muscle mass, they can be used to continue to grow after reaching the bodies genetic limit for muscle mass or they can be used as a fast forward button to reach targets quickly. Steroids are demonised massively in the same way recreational drugs are, they can be used very safely but they still come with a lot of side effects. Rockstar seems pretty clued up in terms of using an AI and in terms of PCT etc, I don't think it would be dangerous for him to use them but I also don't think at the time it's a necessary move either. Until diet and routine are locked down, I wouldn't be considering steroids at all. Even on an IM testosterone cycle, gains will be pissed away in months without correct diet and training.
I do indeed know what I'm talking about I've put hours of reading into it. I know about tbol but 10ml of tri test 400mg/ml one injection a week is always going to do more than any oral. I would have to be t total sober though, I already have a short fuse at the best of times and particularly when drunk. I'm going to do it but I think I'll bulk then cut first, and see if I can make massive gains if I can gain a stone easily without anything bar diet and hard training at the gym 4 days a week I'll review my thoughts. The likes of tren fuck that, my best mate is 16 stone of absolute machine, taken most roids and is only about 5,8 ish. When he took tren he seemed to want to kill anyone who said the wrong thing, it also made him far too cheeky and full of himself. I understand test is going to make me even more of a boy in that respect but tren seems to send people utterly insane, you dont really need cutter roids I dont see the point in them cutting naturally is not hard anyway. Just make sure I have arimidex and I'll lower the test dosage to half a ml a week for the last 4 weeks making it 12 weeks rather than 10 ease off it add arimidex last 5 weeks of it.
Just read this, presuming you're over about 5 foot 7/8 inch or so, reaching a lean 13.5 stone will be well within your genetic limit. I know guys who want to be 18 stone+ meatheads at around 6 foot and cycling tren, deca alongside test is the only way they're going to get there. Also, dbol gains do stick around. Dbol does cause a lot of water retention but it is not water alone. Turinabol (tbol) is an oral steroid that will lead to solid gains without the same level of water retention as dianabol.
Bang on 6ft mate, but I think if I go flat out bulk and leave the cardio I'd probably gain much faster than most will. I'll leave the roids for now because you are probably right about this but once I get upto about 13 stone ripped then I'll do it. I just want to be an absolute machine!!!!