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Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs

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^ alcohol is cheap mostly because of legality. If everyone could legally grow poppy and get acetic anhydride, dope would be cheap, and if needles were legal for everyone, that argument is void- dirty needles, etc.Sort of circular reasoning. Also, many many many more people try alcohol because its legal, if you try heroin you are a much rarer group, and obviously already more likely to have drug issues/control problems. As for having a few drinks and not being intoxicated, the average person could take a few little puffs off the heroin foil and not really be intoxicated.

All your reasoning is circular. You can't have a bad trip off alcohol? You've clearly never had to deal with some girl bawling all night cuz she got drunk and someone looked at her wrong, or she lost her phone. Shit gets ugly fast. I've never heard of a bad heroin trip.

When I was in rehab, all the people with the most problems, phsyical and mental, were alcoholics. Life long junkie has nasty withdrawals, but with common sense, that's it. Life long alcoholic has dead liver, is basically insane without alcohol, can easily die if not closely monitored

Shit was deemed "bad" by society for idiotic reasons, and a lot of the time because a particular drug was threatening big company's profits. Alcohol was illegal in the USA for a while too. I have been alcoholic and heroin addicted at separate points in my life, and boy let me tell you, the alcoholic phase was so, so much worse for many reasons, lots listed above.

Tl;dr, the only real reasons heroin addict lifestyle could be construed as more dangerous is because its illegal, therefore things like clean needles are made difficult to find. Alcohol as a drug is worse for a myriad of reasons, physically, and mentally.
 
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SDforever420 said:
Alcohol.....the only drug that has brought me to my knees, begging for it to stop, regretting ever indulging in such a toxic chemical.

I have seen the effects of most street drugs, nothing compares to how people act when their drunk and rowdy. The only thing that compares, that I have seen, is some blacked out on benzos.
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alcohol and benzos work on the same/similar receptors so... yeah :sus:
 
Rabidrabbit said:
alcohol and benzos work on the same/similar receptors so... yeah :sus:
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Ethyl alcohol actually effects several different receptors that benzodiazepines do not.

Benzodiazepines have a very specific allosteric binding site on the GABA-A receptor, whereas ethanol will also work as an NMDA antagonist, and a variety of other things...

Ethanol binds to α7-nAChRs as an agonist, GABA (especially the δ subunit) as a positive allosteric modullator, [[5-HT3 receptor] as an agonist, NMDA receptor as an antagonist, AMPA receptor as an antagonist, Kainate receptor as an antagonist, glycine receptor as an agonist and an inhibitor of potassium, sodium and calcium ion channels. It also appears to cause an increase in dopamine through a poorly understood process that may involve inhibiting the enzyme that breaks dopamine down.
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^^Great post from RedRum OG and I have to say I agree with everything you said there. I too have been addicted to heroin and alcohol at seperate times of my life, and would choose the dope without hesitation. Being a secret drinker for me was so much harder than being a heroin addict. As far as the outside world is concerned, I am a clean, sober individual.
 
I try to explain this to everyone thats anti-drugs but they dont get it, They figure its legal, hence its alright. Freakin legalize prostitution & weed & then the USA will be hip, until then, its all about locking up people to make money hand over fist.
 
weekend addiction said:
Well a handle of whiskey can be as little as 15 bucks with tax in the states. That means you can drink 13 shots a night for 5 bucks a day. Alcohol is affordable and so alcoholics for the most part can afford their fix without doing anything illegal\dangerous. So just buy being cheap and legal alcohol has a big leg up on a drug such as heroin where your fix is definitely much more than 5 bucks. Being an alcoholic is actually cheaper than smoking a pack a day of cigs. So I think until all the other drugs become just as cheap as alcohol those addicted to illegal drugs will be forced to do things which cast a bad light on their substance use in order to mantain their habit. While alcoholics will almost never have to resort to crime to support their habit. Being an alcoholic is much more manageable and thus has less of a stigma.
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This is a really good point. You can get wasted for less than 5 bucks.
 
alcohol like most drugs requires knowledge, experience, and respect. i would say it being legal is the only reason its a problem. funny how that works


But yeah, i have absolutely no desire to fight or be loud but this was acquired through becoming something of an alcoholic and waking up to many regrets. i almost can't enjoy drinking anymore because if I do, I always wake up wishing I hadnt said this to them, or posted this online, or driven my car, etc.


that being said, i still drink most days of the week and get obliterated drunk, just operate on a high level of self-control, which in turn makes it feel less fun. being responsible is not as fun. that makes sense right? constantly having to be aware of your actions while influenced, second guessing and overthinking, less impulsive. it makes alcohol seem so dull when Im used to being a little kid on my first parties
 
The thing with alcohol and smoking (weed or nicotine) is that you can continuously consume for long periods. You can space out the experience quite easily. Doing multiple bumps of stims is pretty damaging and I can't imagine gets you anywhere nice for a long time. Also, the doses required for drinking are in the 10s/100s of grams and are diluted. Alcohol doesn't taste great but no way could I sip on mdma juice for a night out.
 
Not only is Ethanol dangerous and such, it's just the worst drug!

It gives you the worst after effects, high doses stops you from even remembering the experiences, you act really stupid, really annoying to others, tastes horrible, gain weight, takes long time to dose, very inconvenient, obvious odor, and so on. :p

But at least it serves one decent purpose: helps me convince other people to try new drugs when I tell them the come down/hang over is not nearly as bad as a alcohol hang over. Helps to gives them a frame of reference.

But, I do agree that a few other drugs/drug classes are worse than alcohol, based simply on the high addiction potential; but at least those drugs are actually worth doing! :D =D

EDIT: I agree that alcohol is great in low moderate doses, particularly good for socializing. But when I think of "doing drugs", or having a "drug experience", I think being placed into a different mind set. Consuming enough alcohol in order to have an altered state of mind or an altered experience is just not worth it IMO.
 
Seyer said:
I fucking love Alcohol.

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I totally agree and would have left it at that but I couldn't believe no one said something about the following post

RedRum OG said:
IMHO heroin is safer than alcohol in most ways. You get really stoned on heroin you don't go home and beat your wife, start fights over nothing, and decide to be a senseless jackass doing many things you'll regret.
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I get really drunk all the time and don't go home and beat anyone or start any fights. My friend's boyfriend beats her sober. If you're someone who beats their wife and starts fight then you are someone who beats your wife and starts fights.

And regarding what the OP said about illegal drugs not posing anywhere near the sort of threat to society. Getting into a fight or falling over and ending up with some bruises can happen on many illegal drugs and is nothing in comparison to the threat that some illegal drugs pose. Further, alcohol is highly regulated and not "completely legal to make, use and sell" (well here in Australia anyway), which I think is a clear indication of people realising that alcohol is dangerous. The behaviour that you witnessed is clear evidence that people are going to be irresponsible and the reason why we can't have nice things.
 
Alcohol makes you loose your mind, opiates allow you to find it. Alcohol affects your mind by intoxicating your body, opiates clear your mind, detaching it from your painful body.
 
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No, I'm not physically addicted to opiates since 2007. :p

And also, opiate withdrawals are overrated imo. Yes, it can be VERY rough if you are not in good shape, have been using for a long time, and don't have access to anything to take care of the pain, but it's NOT that horrible if you manage to taper slowly and plan ahead to get meds helping you.
 
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