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Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs

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It can be used in the manner of hard drugs but I wouldn't compare it to hard drugs. If you are drinking the good stuff it is a little less harsh but unless you are a millionaire, you are probably drinking cheap crap if you are addicted. The positive effects like euphoria go quickly and the negatives hit you pretty hard, it has a very corrosive effect on the body.
 
I believe the harshness/toxicity of it plays a factor. YOu can pop pills easily and come off them easily and not get so naseous, but alcohol is so corrosive and harsh that it SHOULD deter people from abusing it. THis is just one small factor and I agree with what everyone else has basically said.
 
verso said:
Then on this point, I'd have to imagine that you're somewhat unique. The complete, complete opposite is true for me...

Heroin? Cocaine? I'm in control, aware of my surroundings, hell... even when I'm nodding, I am still somewhat more aware than when I'm drunk -- considerably more aware.

Alcohol is just... just waking up the next morning, reading the text messages you sent, not remembering ever sending a single one of them, and having people tell you what, exactly, happened to you. "I did what?"

Never had a similar experience with heroin or cocaine, ever...
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Really? Huh...I tend to have much more difficulty remembering things that happened if I was on heroin or cocaine - I know that this point specifically only really applies to me but I never ever have any memory loss on alcohol.
Guess it completely depends on the person in the end anyway.
 
i think that alcohol is probably one of the most damaging drugs available yet it is legal. it inhibits your GABA receptors (benzo withdrawal, anyone?), starves the brain of blood (and oxygen for that matter) causing neuronal decay, loss and brain shrinkage, drastically increases blood pressure and your heart rate and of course destroys your liver too.

regarding its effects on neurotransmitters - it affects pretty much all of them. NMDA receptors, dopamine, serotonin and even opiate receptors!

yet the drugs that primarily target specific ones are illegal...?

and then lets not forget its lovely effects it has on a persons behaviour.
when i've drunk alcohol in the past (i no longer do) i've become angry, extremely aggressive and violent in some cases. things i would NEVER do in a sober state, or on ANY other drug for that matter. oh, and i black the fuck out completely. i can't remember a single thing that happened the night i was drinking, which i can only compare to dosing a massive amount of zolpidem.

it's not as addictive per se than heroin or cocaine granted, and i think this is the ONLY reason that people don't see it as a "hard drug". and the only reason for it not being so physically addictive is because of that fucking awful hangover. remove the hangover, and we'd have a world full of chronic alcoholics.

however, the damage it causes can't be ignored, and always is. i don't really think the majority of people drink alcohol because it "tastes great" - they want to get drunk. by doing so you're doing a lot more damage to your body than if you were slamming heroin, literally.
 
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Alcohol fucks up literally every part of your body. I have seen some long time alcoholics that literally like 20 years older than they are.. skin is a mess, there organs are shot, all these health issues.. Compared to long term H addiction, speaking of the psychical tole only, it's a huge difference. Most long time H addicts I know actually look much younger than they are. It's much easier on the body, organs, and skin than booze is. And any H addicts I've seen that do have that nasty look to them, were also alcoholics.
 
I'm gonna have to agree. As someone Who first was not a fan of alcohol, But tried every common and obscure drug. This past year Iv really taken up drinking, all in fun at first But now I drink everyday. I Can safely say it is an insidious, addictive little bastard. I'm constantly dehydrated and I force myself to drink even when I don't want to. It's fucked,alcohol is fucked.
 
Yeah, definitely. And it is especially hard to beat as an addiction. There is no other hard drug that is glamourised and advertised and readily available on every single high street in every single town of every single city. People in restaurants don't offer you a hit of crack or some speed with dinner but you get poured wine as soon as you sit down.

Alcohol is up there with crack and heroin in my book.
 
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Yeah, definitely. And it is especially hard to beat as an addiction. There is no other hard drug that is glamourised and advertised and readily available on every single high street in every single town of every single city. People in restaurants don't offer you a hit of crack or some speed with dinner but you get poured wine as soon as you sit down.

Alcohol is up there with crack and heroin in my book.
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Only you can't go down to the market and buy heroin. If I had the love affair with booze that I do with dope... I'd be fucked.
 
alcohol is a hard drug and the number one 'gateway drug'. i feel it is hypocrisy at its finest to have alcohol legal yet other much safer drugs are illegal.

i think maybe the reason alcohol is so ubiquitous and widely accepted in the west is because of religion. jesus was a wino, he turned water into wine, whereas in the east ganja is a lot more wisely accepted.

thank god for religion.
 
I have experienced many more health problems from alcohol consumption than from any other drug, and I have used large amounts of almost everything equally.
 
I've been a drinker and a heroin addict.
I was an addict for over 11 years and never got in trouble or arrested once.
When I was a drinker I got into a fair bit of trouble and arrested several times.
I got into a knife fight when pissed and ended up with just under 4 years prison sentence. I also got arrested once for punching a copper while drunk which cost me a £350 fine.
 
Will ever realize that alcohol is just as dangerous (often more so) as other drugs?

Taking a walk downtown Sunday (St. Patrick's day) is all you have to do to observe the mayhem caused by alcohol. In about a half an hour, I saw a guy get in a fight with the bouncers at a bar and have to be held with his face to the pavement until the cops arrived. I saw a girl let go of a pole she was holding onto, immediately lose her balance and fall flat on her face. I saw a guy getting arrested for DUI. I saw a girl stagger into the street in front of traffic and all sorts of other mayhem. Most illegal drugs do not pose anywhere near this sort of threat to society, and yet possession of heroin is a four year felony while alcohol is completely legal to make, use and sell.
 
Alcohol IMO is a harder drug than it's made out to be, but I don't think it's that much harder than most drugs. it's euphoria is definitely not that of what you would expect from a "soft" drug, and I feel like it's on par, more or less, with the harm/danger level of amphetamine (not methamphetamine, just regs amphetamine), and the only illegal drugs that I consider to be safer than alcohol and amphetamine are: cannabis, psychedelics, and milder opioids (codeine, hydrocodone). All of those drugs can be consumed legally in some way (Medical Cannabis, religious peyote/ayahuasca use, and of course, painkillers, respectively) in the US.

Any drug can cause one to become intoxicated enough to act in the manner you described in your post, but since alcohol is legal, and widely and mistakenly assumed to be safe, some people take much, MUCH more than they should, which is why you see less people who have taken, say, cocaine (nasally) or amphetamine (not meth) acting as crazy as those drunk St Patty's Day people. Not only that, but people on those drugs typically don't go out in public while on them, at least not nearly as much as alcohol. We even have certain days (St Pattys Day, New Years, and obviously many more) where people are almost expected to drink themselves into that kind of state, yet there are no occasions where cocaine or ketamine use is encouraged and socially acceptable, especially in excess.

Still, I wouldnt have picked alcohol if I was the one in charge of picking 1 drug to be legal.
 
Alcohol.....the only drug that has brought me to my knees, begging for it to stop, regretting ever indulging in such a toxic chemical.

I have seen the effects of most street drugs, nothing compares to how people act when their drunk and rowdy. The only thing that compares, that I have seen, is some blacked out on benzos.
 
Well a handle of whiskey can be as little as 15 bucks with tax in the states. That means you can drink 13 shots a night for 5 bucks a day. Alcohol is affordable and so alcoholics for the most part can afford their fix without doing anything illegal\dangerous. So just buy being cheap and legal alcohol has a big leg up on a drug such as heroin where your fix is definitely much more than 5 bucks. Being an alcoholic is actually cheaper than smoking a pack a day of cigs. So I think until all the other drugs become just as cheap as alcohol those addicted to illegal drugs will be forced to do things which cast a bad light on their substance use in order to mantain their habit. While alcoholics will almost never have to resort to crime to support their habit. Being an alcoholic is much more manageable and thus has less of a stigma.
 
The only drug that I hate more than alcohol is psychedelics, but that's only because of the bad experiences I've had due to anxiety. I also understand why psychedelics can be amazing while I can't understand how alcohol is more exciting than anything else.
 
IMHO heroin is safer than alcohol in most ways. You get really stoned on heroin you don't go home and beat your wife, start fights over nothing, and decide to be a senseless jackass doing many things you'll regret. Heroin withdrawals basically never kill you, alcohol will. Pure heroin does basically no physical damage to any part of the body, which obviously is not true with alcohol.

But hey man, alcohol is legal, and weed is illegal. So obviously alcohol is safer than weed, and weed is basically harmless, right? -murika logic
 
Culture is the reason alcohol is legal and marijuana (thus far) is not. Over time those countries which were most powerful determined alcohol was the least bad drug out there & yes while Islamic countries banned it, it's legal around the world, most people can use it & not get addicted, and if you overindulge it punishes you with a hangover. I've been to parties where people were using pot & ones where alcohol was king, and let me tell you I'll take the rowdiness of a bar room over the opium den like atmosphere weed induces any day. I know it doesn't seem fair but can you imagine some of the ordinary straight laced people who drink socially using other drugs in that manner? Alcohol is popular because people like using it, no paranoia, no uncomfortable questioning of their existence, no hallucinations (unless you're having DT's).


I see people are comparing the joys of heroin to alcohol, all I can say is wow, no one injects alcohol with dirty needles, 90% of people who try booze don't end up addicted and best case scenario have to use methadone the rest of their lives to be clean. Yes people get a little overboard with alcohol but that's because they don't do it every day, you can have a few drinks without being intoxicated, not many drugs you can say that about. You don't have a bad trip with alcohol. The market place always wins, it's true marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin were all legal at one time, but one by one society deemed them unsuitable for unprescribed consumption.
 
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