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Sorry, wasn't commenting on risks to the colon, I was just using other (unconventional) alcohol administration methods as a comparison to IV'ing.
 
i don't think 2inchdolphin is advocating IV alcohol (in fact, quite the opposite) he's just pointing out the hypocrisy of condemning one ROA for a drug in the name of harm reduction whilst having threads on how to do even dumber shit (IVing fent...wow) just glide on past.

The analogy to smoking marijuana, although correct in principle - probably wasn't the best one to use especially when a lot of people here believe it does nothing to harm your health (LOL)...although i cbf finding any clinical evidence, intuition tells me that inhaling smoke of any kind in such quantities required to get high wouldn't be that good for you. this is supported by anecdotal evidence of my lungs hurting like a biatch after a few days with the bucky/waterfall...
 
burn out said:
can people please stop suggesting this without commenting at all on the potential risks to the colon? this is something i'd be interested to learn more about but i can't find any reliable information on the subject.
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I very much doubt plugging alcohol will do the colon any favours, but it is almost certainly a somewhat safer alternative to IV if someone is intent on getting more of a hit from their alcohol. Neither option is particularly great, but the risks from IV would be higher in the short-term, I would have thought.

As far as I know, alchol will irritate and damage the colon (which is why any plugged alcohol should be well diluted) and there is more of a risk of alcohol poisoning. Such as in this example.

As a one-off experiment, I would have thought that on-balance plugging would be more effective and perhaps less risky than IV. But neither is that appealing to me personally. I'll stick to drinking the stuff :).

PS: I couldn't find much info on plugging alcohol that didn't require paying to buy the papers, but there are reports of colitis and fecal incontinence as a result of it, although they are rare.
 
Alcohol is just a harsh drug in general. I feel like I'm being nicer to my body putting opiates than alcohol into my system & probably am (coming short of the point of getting enough to go into withdrawals that is).
 
2inchdolphin said:
Of course you can't apply the principle of harm reduction to substances which have an unknown degree of harm. That's nonsensical. That's not what I'm talking about though. I am talking about applying the principle to substances where we do know the degree of harm, like cannabis.


I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here, maybe give me an example? But if I do get what you're saying, then I disagree. The simple template is "how can I reduce the harm associated with drug use". You have to know how much harm a drug causes to do this of course. In the case of cannabis smoking, while the evidence isn't 100% proven, there exists a substantial body of data that shows that smoking cannabis causes a degree of harm to the lungs. I'd hardly call the risk to your lungs from smoking weed "gray".

You'd also have to know the harm associated with alternative drug use. Again in this case, we have a fair bit of evidence that eating weed causes less damage to the body than does smoking it.

In cases where we do know something about the risks involved, like cannabis smoking, then applying the principle seems trivial.


I don't think it's hypocrisy to not apply the principle of harm minimisation to substances that we don't know the harm of. You can't apply the principle. End of story.

It is hypocrisy to not apply the principle equally in cases where we do know something about the potential for harm, i.e. IV alcohol and cannabis smoking.


I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here again. I agree that humans are fallible, but I don't think that many people, once aware of their hypocrisy, are unable to do something about it. So I think it does matter what I'm doing here.


I'd like to know what definition of "safe" you're using that can possibly apply to injecting fentanyl.

Under the definition that this board uses, no drug use is safe. From the Bluelight FAQ:




I agree. I have never argued that it could be safely done. It's ridiculous to think it's safe.


I agree with your point. I'm not sure you understand my point, but I don't want to repeat myself.


Again, I agree that his veins are not going to like this. I'd like to see some evidence that this will definitely destroy them though. And again it's besides the point. We both agree that this is bad for his veins. Everyone here does. My post was about trying to minimise the harm associated with this dangerous activity. So was yours. Why are we arguing?


I do see that it's not practical. I'm sure the OP knows it too, but if the OP is thinking of doing it, then I am providing information that will help minimise the potential harm. Pretty simple.


It was a relevant argument, if you understood it.

The principle of harm minimisation applies to all cases where harm can be minimised. Not just to cases where harm can be reduced from definitely life-threatening to probably life-threatening. Do you agree with the principle? If you do then apply it to all cases. If you only apply it to certain cases then you are a hypocrite. On the other hand, if you're not criticising IV alcohol on principle, then it's the end of the discussion. You're being arbitrary. But don't claim you're doing it on principle.


This site isn't to convince people not to take drugs. That's for your parents and the government. This site is to reduce the harm associated with drug use.

OK, this site is a bit more than that, the other contradiction is within harm minimisation itself. Giving people information on how to minimise harm in the short term, eg. how to shoot heroin safely, increases the potential harm to them in the long term, ie. risk of addiction.

I'm working under the principle of minimising short term harm. I assume that's what a lot of users come here for. The best way to decrease long term harm isn't through a forum like this, it's through saner drug policies. Eventually there'd have to be a change in the culture as well, ie. increasing the acceptance of drug use would decrease the isolation of say heroin addicts, which would decrease the amount of harm they suffer. To that end this site is also important.

The other thing that would have to change would be the society itself, I mean my hypothesis is that people turn to drug use, and especially self-destructive drug use because they can't find any other way to feel happy in our society. I'd lay the blame for that at the feet of such warm-hearted institutions as the individualist market based economy, and the patriarchal family, among others, but that's another thread.


OK, so there's a huge difference. Doesn't matter. The OP thinks that there is enough of a difference between drinking alcohol and IVing it to warrant trying the latter. End of story.


Doesn't matter what you or I think. I wouldn't IV alcohol, nor would I IV heroin. That's irrelevant though, because the OP wants to do it.


I've never said don't tell him not to do it. I said don't be hypocritical about it. There is a difference. Some people here understood that difference. Some people didn't. You apparently didn't.


Please don't hurt me with your big internet muscles.


I've enjoyed this thoroughly. I hope you got something out of it.


Apparently you didn't. That's unfortunate. At least some people understood what I was saying. Are you sure it's "Your logic is retarded", as opposed to "I can't understand your logic"?


No, I'm just passionate.


Plenty of people understood what I was saying. Maybe one day you will too.
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Your either a very devoted troll or a meth head.
 
I know mixing these 2 is a huge taboo and I never plan on doing it but last night I swallowed about 650mg of tylenol (~9:30pm so 24 hours ago). I do consider myself to be on the heavier side when it comes to drinking. I have nights where Ill drink to complete black outs but I tend to not do it consecutively. Overall yeah a heavy drinker. I want to have a drink tonight, just one. I have a shot of vodka and some juice I wanna sip on, would this be completely terrible? Im usually finicky when it comes to the liver even though I like to drink. Ironic hmm?

Im 20, so I havnt been drinking for years and years as most people are 30 - 40 and are at higher risk of liver failure.

Am I good to have a drink or 2? BTW It was percocets I took last night, safe to drink?
 
Ethanol with Acetaminophen - probably nothing will happen. Ethanol with Percocet (Oxycodone) that is a huge problem.

Ethanol extremely sedates the central nervous system. What this means is that your entire body is literally "slowed down." Breathing slows, heart slows, etc. Ethanol by itself, may not cause issues, but the added central nervous system depression that the Oxycodone in the Percocet will cause is extremely dangerous with Ethanol - especially since you said you drink to the point of black outs.

Mixing Ethanol and Oxycodone can depress your breathing so much, that you will literally suffocate. This is known as asphyxiation and this tends to be a common occurrence when Ethanol is mixed with other drugs. Remember Heath Ledger? He mixed Ambien and Ethanol and he paid for it with his life.

Do not mix these - as if I even had to say that.
 
SwampFox56 said:
Ethanol with Acetaminophen - probably nothing will happen. Ethanol with Percocet (Oxycodone) that is a huge problem.

Ethanol extremely sedates the central nervous system. What this means is that your entire body is literally "slowed down." Breathing slows, heart slows, etc. Ethanol by itself, may not cause issues, but the added central nervous system depression that the Oxycodone in the Percocet will cause is extremely dangerous with Ethanol - especially since you said you drink to the point of black outs.

Mixing Ethanol and Oxycodone can depress your breathing so much, that you will literally suffocate. This is known as asphyxiation and this tends to be a common occurrence when Ethanol is mixed with other drugs. Remember Heath Ledger? He mixed Ambien and Ethanol and he paid for it with his life.

Do not mix these - as if I even had to say that.
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I stated I never ever mix them.. and I also said its been 24 hours since I took the oxy my question was concerning the APAP and the alcohol. But you answered my question so thank you
 
The danger from acetaminophen is from a toxic metabolite produced by being broken down by CYP enzymes in the liver. Normally only a small portion is metabolized by this route, but alcohol increases the level of these enzymes and as a result there is more toxic metabolite produced. That said, doing it once will not do much damage, but will do more damage than either one on is own. I think it's more toxic to take the alcohol first, but having both present is not good for your liver.

If the Percocet was taken last night most of it is likely already metabolized and not going to be a problem.
 
Acetaminophen and alcohol in particular cause liver cell damage to the point of chirossis but 90%-95% of all popular medications damage your liver and kidneys someway, which is why daily use is not recommended (esp for people who are young and dont think of further consecuenses). Bezos (all of them) are said to case liver, kidney damage as well as brain/neurological disorders. Amphetamines the same as benoz and barbs, also neurotoxic. Cocaine is a local anesthethic so everything it touches it damages including the heart tissue.

On the safer spectrum of what is popularly used these days (opioids) could be the least harmful though dont be fooled; besides physical and mental addiction, kidney problems due to the rectum/bowl movements not working proper (at least 2 a day is normal and i remember 3-4 days until forcing one out), lets not forget hemoroids at a much youger age then the rest as well loosing interest in everything else/isolation (i've been told by doctors that for everyday hardcore/high opioid use, for brain and body cells to recover to where they once where before for instance able to get high from a 5-7.5mg percocet and return to getting the old simple pleasures out of life like before that it would take upon complete cessation of any opiate even codeine or tramadol 3-4 doses (above 200mg/m every 2-3 weeks as I do sometimes) for pain/cough as I dont want to get addicted to much stronger more available opioids. A narcotic specialist told me that from day zero (use) it would take close to a year, maybe a year and half depending on duration of habbit to return everything to baseline even neurological (a methadone doctor once told me and experiences indicates she is right). I went on methadone to 205mg at once in the morning for about 2yrs and I wasn't shooting anything. The closest I got was a 10mg fentanyl gel vaped/chased (on top of my cap/tablet narcotics like oxy, hydromorphone even oral fentanyl b/c I liked both..after a good 8-9 days going like that the w/ds got way out of hand with no benzos or nothing I went on methadone (thats was in 04').

Back on subject.

I too have taken plenty T4's, and T3's as well as percs without extracting them so I too am a bit worried plus I like to drink. I haven't been to any blood work for over 3yrs however I take been trying to take 3-4 150mg Milk Thistle herbal pills a day for about a year and a bit now as a protectant for my liver and kidneys.
 
I think you guys are missing the point of what Thisiskitty is asking. She knows not to mix narcotics with the alcohol. She is stating she is a heave drinker and only wants to know if she can drink tonight because last night she consumed 650mg of APAP.

OP- I would be way more concerned about the drinking til you black out and the amount of damage that is doing to your body than one dose of APAP 24 hours prior to drinking. So, in the big scheme of things I wwouldnt be that concerned about the drinks tonight.

What I would be concerned about is the amount of drinking you are doing pretty regularly. As a nurse I can tell you that anyone who is drinking like you are should not be taking any APAP (tylenol). Young or not, you are most likely doing considerable damage to not just your liver if you are drinking til you black out fairly regularly. It doesn't matter that you are not doing it "two nights/days consecutively".

Is it just because you are partying that this is happening? Are you drinking at home with the intention of becoming that drunk? Is it out of control (you just can't help but to consume so much to where it ultimately ends with you passing out)?

I'm not trying to preach to you about it, I would just have some real concerns about this. So, in the long run one dose of tylenol is not going to make a huge difference. You said you are very careful about your liver but that is completely contradicting what you are doing with the drinking. That is where your concern should lie. It doesn't always take 10 or 20 years of heavy drinking to develop liver damage, some of which could be irreversible!
 
nyquil 4 example contains both basically tylenol and it also contains alchohol,usually it says on sumthing like taht limit alchohol,but the fact that u had tylenol and say 2 beers is not gonna kill u.even with percocet the fact that u drunk a beer while on it isint probly gonna cauze significant harmful effects,sum medications contain alchohol even opiates.but it does need 2 b watched how much alchohol u take with stuff like tylenol they both can get dangerous at high doses.
 
missmeyet? said:
I think you guys are missing the point of what Thisiskitty is asking. She knows not to mix narcotics with the alcohol. She is stating she is a heave drinker and only wants to know if she can drink tonight because last night she consumed 650mg of APAP.

OP- I would be way more concerned about the drinking til you black out and the amount of damage that is doing to your body than one dose of APAP 24 hours prior to drinking. So, in the big scheme of things I wwouldnt be that concerned about the drinks tonight.

What I would be concerned about is the amount of drinking you are doing pretty regularly. As a nurse I can tell you that anyone who is drinking like you are should not be taking any APAP (tylenol). Young or not, you are most likely doing considerable damage to not just your liver if you are drinking til you black out fairly regularly. It doesn't matter that you are not doing it "two nights/days consecutively".

Is it just because you are partying that this is happening? Are you drinking at home with the intention of becoming that drunk? Is it out of control (you just can't help but to consume so much to where it ultimately ends with you passing out)?

I'm not trying to preach to you about it, I would just have some real concerns about this. So, in the long run one dose of tylenol is not going to make a huge difference. You said you are very careful about your liver but that is completely contradicting what you are doing with the drinking. That is where your concern should lie. It doesn't always take 10 or 20 years of heavy drinking to develop liver damage, some of which could be irreversible!
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Ah thank you! Im a guy btw, the name is from some stupid internet thing. But yeah, I realize the drinking is causing damage and I want to stop. I think I get it from my mother, shes been drinking 3 - 5 nights a week to the point of passing out since before I was born. Definitely not the route I wanna go down so as of late ive been pacing my drinks. Thank you for the reply
 
ThisIsKitty said:
Ah thank you! Im a guy btw, the name is from some stupid internet thing. But yeah, I realize the drinking is causing damage and I want to stop. I think I get it from my mother, shes been drinking 3 - 5 nights a week to the point of passing out since before I was born. Definitely not the route I wanna go down so as of late ive been pacing my drinks. Thank you for the reply
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You are so welcome. And sorry I called you a girl...8(
 
You can get a supplement called N-acetylcysteine. It's also used as an antidote for APAP poisoning... it's a precursor to your body's strongest antioxidant, glutathione, which converts the toxic APAP metabolite into something safer. Whenever I know I'll be taking Tylenol in less than ideal circumstances, I try to take 1000-2000mg about half an hour beforehand, to help my liver prepare for it. I also used to take it before taking too many percocets or a large CWE where the potential amount of residual APAP was a concern.
 
Hello everyone!
I know i am asking a stupid question right now. I am just looking for an advice since its a harm reduction forum. If you wanna tell me how dumb this is then u can just ignore this thread.


If i have no alcohol atm and i am unable to purchase it would it be ok to drink Listerine before a party ONCE? I repeat im only doing this one time.
Does anyone know if there are any health risks or sife effects from it? Diarrhea, nausea?
Also how much should i drink to get moderately drunk for 2 hours?


Thanks
 
" the original Listerine formula is almost 27% alcohol (54 Proof) and most mint-flavored mouthwashes are around 22% alcohol.
Although mouthwash contains alcohol, it is generally denatured alcohol. Denatured alcohol means that it has additives to make it toxic or unpleasant for consumption. (Perhaps no surprise that denatured alcohol is taxed differently/lower than drinkable alcohol.) In some cases these additives are even poisonous. For example, some mouthwashes contain methyl alcohol (or wood alcohol), which is poisonous and can cause blindness, organ failure and death.

Mouthwashes also typically contain other ingredients that are toxic and harmful if ingested. Some mouthwash contains hydrogen peroxide, which can cause damage to the gastrointestinal tract, resulting in upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea and vomiting. Many mouthwashes contain compounds such as menthol, eucalyptol and thymol. These ingredients can be toxic when consumed in amounts large enough to become drunk from mouthwash."
http://www.new-hope-recovery.com/center/2014/12/16/dangers-drinking-mouthwash/
Sounds bad man, at least likely to make you feel shitty at the party.
Edit, still googling, this is a fun read:
http://madmikethehippiebum.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-review-of-drinking-mouthwas.html
 
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bro.... just wait til the party. you cant drink and drive anyways.

listen to yourself.... can you drink mouth wash to get fucked up???....
 
don't drink listerine, like golemgolem posted, mouthwashes has toxic and harmful ingredients. Seriously kido, if you're looking to "get fucked up," there is safer and legal drugs out there like DXM.
 
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