Speed King
Bluelighter
find your drink of choice and slowly drink less and less. 1/2 oz 1/3 oz etc. A drug called Camprall is a godsend for alcohol withdrawal. Also throw some bioavailable magnesium in the mix (separately) . That will help.
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ChemicallyEnhanced
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I once had an alcohol specialist nurse who tapered my down by 3 units once a week. She told me in all her years she had never had a client seizure.
emkee_reinvented
Bluelighter
During OP's first posting I was on 16 unit's American standard. Been drinking daily for a while, longer then a year, but it was escalating. Starting earlier and the ammount increasing likewise. Never getting drunk while drinking was fun for a while but a red flag for overdoing it.
Did some fast tapering, 16 -> 12 -> 8-> 4. But what I drunk was done at once, so not drunk slowly but fast to get a buzz. Kept an eye open for tremors, sweating and such. Luckily no withdrawal, yesterday 24 hours after my last intake of 4 unit's. But YourMilesMayVary. Experiencing withdrawal seems like a highly individual response. Now 48 hours so I think it's safe to say I wont be getting them.
First time ever I got in a drinking pattern. And it escalated to 16 US units, that's like 20+ UK/ Dutch units. I got lucky this time.
Did some fast tapering, 16 -> 12 -> 8-> 4. But what I drunk was done at once, so not drunk slowly but fast to get a buzz. Kept an eye open for tremors, sweating and such. Luckily no withdrawal, yesterday 24 hours after my last intake of 4 unit's. But YourMilesMayVary. Experiencing withdrawal seems like a highly individual response. Now 48 hours so I think it's safe to say I wont be getting them.
First time ever I got in a drinking pattern. And it escalated to 16 US units, that's like 20+ UK/ Dutch units. I got lucky this time.
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emkee_reinvented
Bluelighter
What is the science behind the Magnesium?
Bio available Magnesium, any preference.
Chelated to Glycine, Threonate, Malate, Chloride, Citrate, Taurate or Orotate. Not that I have any cash but for future reference it's interesting to now the why en what.
kleinerkiffer
Bluelight Crew
emkee_reinvented
Bluelighter
Thanks, so technically maybe not luck but my diet saved me from withdrawal syndrom? Doing a pretty healthy diet eating my homegrown veggies, sweet/ potato's.
My wife, now ex-, got Mg-oxide intravenous to prevent seizure's due to pregnancy poisoning? Toxicose or Pre-Eclampsi? So the link from Mg defiecency and Delierium with insults seems possible. Or are those 2 totally differrent things I am connecting.
Alcohol defenitely surpresses appetite almost as if it is replacing it. Lot's of alcoholics are also malnutriciant I believe. Coupled with the Mg used up by the Alcohol so to speak. It makes sense.
My wife, now ex-, got Mg-oxide intravenous to prevent seizure's due to pregnancy poisoning? Toxicose or Pre-Eclampsi? So the link from Mg defiecency and Delierium with insults seems possible. Or are those 2 totally differrent things I am connecting.
Alcohol defenitely surpresses appetite almost as if it is replacing it. Lot's of alcoholics are also malnutriciant I believe. Coupled with the Mg used up by the Alcohol so to speak. It makes sense.
Speed King
Bluelighter
I personally take Magnesium Glycinate. It is pretty bioavailable and doesn't cause my system any gastrointestinal symptoms including diarrhea. I noticed positive effects including helping with sleep right away. I can't source but your best bet is online in bulk. It is very cheap that way compared to any other ways you may get it. is the safest option for correcting a long-term deficiency. Look into it. Were talking case of beer price for 250g. Not sourcing, just dropping a hint
. Magnesium Oxide on the other hand has a low oral bioavailability.
The other forms you mentioned are great, but for long term correcting a deficiency,I recommend Magnesium Glycinate.
Ultimately, the taper schedule is going to be based upon what you can tolerate, as you're handling it yourself. In most cases, I would kind of balk at someone telling me that they are going to taper themselves, but apparently you have done it and I congratulate you for it, as it's pretty tricky. For me, it was so tricky moderating/tapering simply because because of Alcohol's dis-inhibiting effects. This often lead to what in my mind I termed "just this once" in regard to increasing the dosage of my taper schedule.
It has been a long time for me now, but back when I was in college, I would routinely consume 750ml hard liquor and maybe a half-pint on top. There was absolutely no possible way for me to taper myself. My self-control simply wasn't there. So, I ended up going to the hospital to detox and this was the best decision I could have made. It was truly a breeze. I laid in a hospital bed for several days with a Lorazepam (Ativan) drip. They slowly titrated the Benzodiazepine and I was out in less than a week. It was just the polar opposite of the pain, misery and constant failures of my own attempts.
When dealing with Alcohol and other sedative/hypnotic drugs like Benzodiazepines and Barbiturates, my interpretation of Harm Reduction leads me to almost universally request professional, medical care. I am speaking only of cases in which large dosages and dependency are in play. There is always the likelihood of experiencing a seizure when withdrawing from these medications and you can almost completely mitigate this possibility by checking yourself in. I know it's embarrassing and not your first choice, but in my opinion, it's your best choice.
Also, you mentioned that you had been drinking this much for about two weeks. That may seem like a short amount of time, but I don't want you to potentially misjudge how severe your withdrawal might be. If you are not already aware, please check out the provided link regarding a phenomenon known as the "Kindling Effect". In short, each time that you become dependent and withdraw from Sedative/Hypnotics including Alcohol, you will become dependent more quickly and the withdrawal phase will become gradually more severe. I speak from personal experience that this applies to Opioids to a certain extent as well.
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-1/25-34.pdf
I understand that you're planning to quit drinking, but I also want you to be aware of the fact that Alcohol inhibits your body's levels of Vitamin B1 (Thiamin) pretty severely. This deficiency of Vitamin B1 is believed to be the primary cause of Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome, known colloquially as "Wet Brain". It's basically a condition that will make you permanently retarded depending on the severity. I am in no way suggesting you have this, but I believe it's important standard information for any chronic Alcohol user. Here's a link expanding on what I've said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke–Korsakoff_syndrome
Lastly, this bit is personal. Hiding drinking from you family is one of the hardest things that a person can do, especially if said family is already on full-alert and expecting bullshit. Instead of trying to taper, which is a noble cause, and getting in big trouble with your family, you could stand up and tell them that you are all done, that you love them and that you are making changes in your life and going to try to detox at the hospital. You can escape with some dignity and some confidence from your family in the process. This is just me dude. I don't know your family or your situation, but that's where I'm coming from.
It has been a long time for me now, but back when I was in college, I would routinely consume 750ml hard liquor and maybe a half-pint on top. There was absolutely no possible way for me to taper myself. My self-control simply wasn't there. So, I ended up going to the hospital to detox and this was the best decision I could have made. It was truly a breeze. I laid in a hospital bed for several days with a Lorazepam (Ativan) drip. They slowly titrated the Benzodiazepine and I was out in less than a week. It was just the polar opposite of the pain, misery and constant failures of my own attempts.
When dealing with Alcohol and other sedative/hypnotic drugs like Benzodiazepines and Barbiturates, my interpretation of Harm Reduction leads me to almost universally request professional, medical care. I am speaking only of cases in which large dosages and dependency are in play. There is always the likelihood of experiencing a seizure when withdrawing from these medications and you can almost completely mitigate this possibility by checking yourself in. I know it's embarrassing and not your first choice, but in my opinion, it's your best choice.
Also, you mentioned that you had been drinking this much for about two weeks. That may seem like a short amount of time, but I don't want you to potentially misjudge how severe your withdrawal might be. If you are not already aware, please check out the provided link regarding a phenomenon known as the "Kindling Effect". In short, each time that you become dependent and withdraw from Sedative/Hypnotics including Alcohol, you will become dependent more quickly and the withdrawal phase will become gradually more severe. I speak from personal experience that this applies to Opioids to a certain extent as well.
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-1/25-34.pdf
I understand that you're planning to quit drinking, but I also want you to be aware of the fact that Alcohol inhibits your body's levels of Vitamin B1 (Thiamin) pretty severely. This deficiency of Vitamin B1 is believed to be the primary cause of Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome, known colloquially as "Wet Brain". It's basically a condition that will make you permanently retarded depending on the severity. I am in no way suggesting you have this, but I believe it's important standard information for any chronic Alcohol user. Here's a link expanding on what I've said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke–Korsakoff_syndrome
Lastly, this bit is personal. Hiding drinking from you family is one of the hardest things that a person can do, especially if said family is already on full-alert and expecting bullshit. Instead of trying to taper, which is a noble cause, and getting in big trouble with your family, you could stand up and tell them that you are all done, that you love them and that you are making changes in your life and going to try to detox at the hospital. You can escape with some dignity and some confidence from your family in the process. This is just me dude. I don't know your family or your situation, but that's where I'm coming from.
Mygoal2019
Greenlighter
Hi oh my i wish you could call me!! I have almost have done wbs what you are doing and its destructive as u KNOW! You CAN'T JUST stop alcohol unless you meducate w Xanax, klonipin i have seizures and I DON'T WANT to scare YOU!! Im also a nurse BUT who cares i want to Help you
Mygoal2019
Greenlighter
Yes its either one or the other
Mygoal2019
Greenlighter
Wish i could Help you r u detoxing off alcohol? Sorry im new and your post says no drugs and detoxing? Alcohol(to me) is worse than drugs it is a drug ITS SO easy to GET AND I have done too MUCH bs but to watch others come off I'd give my last Xanax and have!!!!Then I had a seizure but that's what you do when you LOVE someone!! He passed last year FUCKING heartbreaking!! U CAN DO THIS PLEASE!! email me ill help with anything I can
Jekyl Anhydride
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The OP hasn't posted in a year so hopefully his going to detox was successful.
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So after a couple of months of drinking in moderation(3L of wine a day) I've again started drinking hard(around 5-6L of wine a day)..... and evertything was going fine untill about three weeks into that regiment. Then from day to day I started to be in more and more pain untill it got to the point where I was in excruciating pain at any point when I wasn't at least buzzed. So I forced myself into not drinking for one day(it was horrible, constant shaking and horrific pain). The next day I woke up feeling fine and continued drinking hard. Then again in two weeks the same thing. Went through a dry day and I was fine again. And now it's happening again, I've been in pain and drinking the last two days untill today I decided for a dry day again. What the hell is this? I've been drinking for years and I've never had to experience this kind of pain. Any advice on solving this? I don't want to suffer through dry days every two weeks, it's horrible. Are there any pills for this situation? On my dry days I only eat valium(and even when I eat 10 it doesn't really help the shakes). Please give me some advice.
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
Where are you experiencing this pain Ray? Also, I hate to break it to you but 3L of wine a day is not 'drinking in moderation'. Now I'm not judging you, as I'm an habitual drinker myself - but I do realise I'm drinking far too much (equivalent of 350ml to 700ml of vodka a day). However, I've never experienced what you describe. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been drinking at this level?
well, I was drinking about 5L of wine a day for about 3-4 years before I overdosed on pills(should've mentioned that in the first comment-about a year and a half ago I OD'd on a cocktail of pills including oxy, valium and a lot of other pills), after that I couldn't really drink without horrific hangovers for about 6-7 months but that stopped, then I drank hard for 2-3 months, stopped for a week, drank in moderation(3L a day) for a couple of months and now I've been drinking hard again for about two months....as for the pain...well it's everywhere in my body when the need for a dry day appproaches....I shake, have a terrible headache, my neck and back hurt like hell, I can't walk normally, my heart beats extremely fast, I dry gag all the time, etc the only thing that helps is more booze, but right after I stopped being buzzed the pain comes again....but I really don't know why the pain is there or how to make it go away....I'm also a bit afraid to mess with pills, the OD almost killed me so I now don't like to do pills much but if they helped with the pain I'd eat them...anyway thanks for the response and if you know of any pills that you think could help me, please tell me....
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
It sounds very much to me that the 'pain' you are experiencing is alcohol withdrawal symptoms - especially as you state that the pain goes away when you drink again.
You really need to seek medical help ASAP so that you can undergo a supervised detox. Unfortunately, there are no pills we can recommend, though you will no doubt be prescribed diazepam or similar throughout your detox..
I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that unsupervised alcohol withdrawal can be extremely dangerous and possibly fatal.
Please go see your doctor and tell them everything. I know it's easier said than done, but it sounds like your situation is critical.
All the best mate and please keep us updated on your progress.
You really need to seek medical help ASAP so that you can undergo a supervised detox. Unfortunately, there are no pills we can recommend, though you will no doubt be prescribed diazepam or similar throughout your detox..
I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that unsupervised alcohol withdrawal can be extremely dangerous and possibly fatal.
Please go see your doctor and tell them everything. I know it's easier said than done, but it sounds like your situation is critical.
All the best mate and please keep us updated on your progress.
no, no, I don't think you quite understood what I said....the pain comes after I've drank for two or three weeks straight(in those two weeks or so I feel fine all day, every day) and it comes on drinking days(per example I wake up in the morning in pain, drink 1-2 L of wine, then I'm fine, for an hour, then the pain comes again, I drink another 1L of wine, I'm fine again, then after an hour I'm in pain again, etc.)....so I really don't think it's withdrawal symptoms...it's more like a weird hangover caused by 3 weeks of drinking that doesn't go away untill I have a dry day(in which I of course experience horrific withdrawal syptoms, but so far nothing life threatening)...and I of course can't go to the doctor again, the last time I went there she wouldn't talk about anything else other than me having to go to detox)....what I want is some pills that can make the pain I've described go away so that I can continue drinking and not have to have a dry day...I realize it's quite a specific problem but if you think you could tell me of something that would work that'd be great...
Sorry your having troubles. But I have to agree with fubar that 3L of wine is drinking in moderation. I get that it's a lower amount from what you used to drink, but it's still a check if a lot.
Definitely go to the doctors, it's not worth it to wait on this. Just be honest and tell them what's going on.
Definitely go to the doctors, it's not worth it to wait on this. Just be honest and tell them what's going on.
actually I'm drinking 5-6L of wine a day currently(I fell of the "moderate wagon" of drinking 3L a day two months ago)...and my doctor just doesn't understand me...she just wants me to go to detox and doesn't want to talk about anything else...it's like she's never seen a drinker before....
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
Why are you so averse to detox and so determined to carry on drinking? Your doctor DOES understand you, that's why she's trying to help. Chances are your level of drinking and your reported overdose have seriously damaged your liver and/or kidneys. Please, please reconsider your situation. I would be extremely worried if I were you...