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Alcohol dependency - novel treatments?

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BristolRob

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Any current or past alcohol dependents here?

If you are a recovered alcoholic, what was the key to getting you sober? Do you think classic psychedelics used with psychotherapuetic care might be of benefit?

Do you think a context of meditation/yoga/eastern teachings would be more appealing than the AA and twelve steps?
 
Yep. AA I found useless. Clomethiazole took me from 1.5l of vodka per day to nothing in 10 days. 'I would rather have none, than one' as Peter O'Toole said...
 
That's pretty impressive, what is clomethiazole? I'll have to look it up.

Do you think a high dose psilocybin experience could be useful? - If integrated with eastern philosophy? Or do you think some people might find that a bit too preachy aswell?
 
I read a lot of Buddist texts. Clomethiazole is the best drug to get of alcohol, pity it's not used too much these days. I got mine off the net. I think that psychedelics DO alter your outlook. I know that Tim Leary tested prison inmates with psilocin and it worked (they became religious) but I think maybe Tim might have moved them that way. Support from Friends and Family & a good counsellor make it a lot easier.
 
This is kinda like jumping from the frying pan into the fire but I know a guy who was drinking a couple liters of vodka a day and was very near death. He ended up having a car accident and they started giving him pain pills. Well thats where it starts as we all know. He now uses opiates and ignores alcohol. He can work everyday, He has his health back and he can use and function in society. I know, its like putting a bandaid on an amputaed limb, but it saves his ass, so I guess he's in a better place now than he was 2 months ago.
 
Opiates are mostly very benign to the body with long-term use. It's the route of administration that can be dangerous.
 
Current and former alcoholic/day-today dependent, here. 12-step programs are HIGHLY fucking dubious - claiming outlandish success rates, but 'anonymous', so this data can never be checked. If you like idiotic slogans, glazed smiles, and bad coffee, AA's the place. Personally, I'd sooner drink myself to death than listen to THAT shit again.

Haven't seen the data on LSD treatments - but I dropped a whole shitload of acid, and always found it left me wanting a drink or seventeen on the comedown...probably too unpredictable to ever be of general use, besides which, it'll never be licensed as a therapy again. Undermines the WOD message...

Yoga/Meditation/Eastern philosophy might be useful if you have interests in them to begin with: but in and of themselves, are not going to have any great effect on real boozehounds. Deep down, I don't think it's peace we want, exactly...that's the province of junkies, I think.
 
Current and former alcoholic/day-today dependent, here. 12-step programs are HIGHLY fucking dubious - claiming outlandish success rates, but 'anonymous', so this data can never be checked. If you like idiotic slogans, glazed smiles, and bad coffee, AA's the place. Personally, I'd sooner drink myself to death than listen to THAT shit again.
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I quit using meth for 5 years with the help of NA. The one plus with these programs is that you can be around other people that can relate to your experiences. Also I learned to evaluate my actions and gained a greater understanding of myself and my decisions. But for the most part I do agree with your statement.
 
Clomethiazole:
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Chemically unrelated too any other downer. It works on the glycine receptor as well as GABA so it really stops craving as well as physical side-effects of stopping drinking. Cheap to get off the internet and legal in UK & US.
 
Where Wolf? said:
and bad coffee, AA's the place.
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I guess it depends on the AA office you're attending to. ;)

Some people might find some other AA group rewarding, if the first one fails, but many people are quick to judge and won't have the motivation to go through different AA's. Well, after all, they aren't that much different, but even small things (I'm not talking about the coffee here!) can sometimes make a difference.
 
How bad are the physical side effects from quitting drinking? What are they?
 
^^You can google for the alcohol wd symptons. I do know that you don't want to mess around with it. Alcohol withdrawl can KILL you. That and benzo wd are very dangerous to deal with on your own.
 
I wonder if clomethiazol is anything like muscimol. You don't happen to know if it's a GABA-A agonist do you?

Are the effects only sedating or are they a little bit dreamy/hallucinogenic as well?

I recently read a review of ketamine assisted psychotherapy for alocohol dependence, they claimed 65% abstienence at 12 months. For anyone who knows anything about alcoholism and how difficult it is to treat, let me tell you those results are extremely to unbelievably impressive
 
Yep, I read those reports as well. Clomethiazole makes you FEEL sort of drunk, but no nausea or doing stupid things. It is without doubt, the best way to come off alcohol IMHO. No DTs, no convulsions, no cravings.
 
BristolRob said:
Any current or past alcohol dependents here?

If you are a recovered alcoholic, what was the key to getting you sober? Do you think classic psychedelics used with psychotherapuetic care might be of benefit?

Do you think a context of meditation/yoga/eastern teachings would be more appealing than the AA and twelve steps?
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Psychotherapy plus hallucinogens?! Alcohol dependents like myself (in recovery, thx) would doubt the severity of dependency in anyone who claimed to have been "cured" by that kind of non-specific range of "therapy".

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I am a alcoholic I have had 5 pint and a chimay...and I am dreaming of Jim Beam,Jamesons. I would like for nothing else but to have some hard liq in my body right now.
 
What got me sober? Wife leaving. Health alarm bells. Job alarm bells. I knew that everything I'd squandered COULD or MIGHT come back close to how it used to be if I just got my shit together.

And it's still difficult, though the big three are in control at the moment. It is in all seriousness a day-to-day thing. Some of that AA/Alanon shit is true.
 
i dont consider myself an alcoholic because i can stop when i have to. what made me stop was i started getting serious stomach pain after drinking.
 
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