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peteparker

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I have not taken ectasy that many times, but for some reason it now seems to not work very well for me anymore. When I say not work I mean that I no longer get the euphoria, social connection, pleasure from touch, etc. I still get the speedy effects but I also get some anxiety and dysphoria (opposite of euphoria). I have been taking mdma powder, I have never taken e pills. However, I have also never tested my powder personally.

The first time I did I put ~.1-.13g in a gel cap and I had a great time. My scale does not work too well so I am not sure exactly how much it was. The second time I took ~.2-.25g of a new batch again in a gel cap. This time I rolled very well for awhile and then about half-way through my nystgamus (eye twitching) got very heavy and all at once my roll stopped. I felt very bad for about 5 minutes, bad enough that I told my friends that I was feeling badly, felt hot, might need to be taken to hospital, etc. It passed after about 5 minutes and I almost felt like I was at baseline (sober) although I started to roll a little bit more after a bit.

The next time I candyflipped ~.12-.15g of the same batch with 2 hits of lsd and I again started to have a very good roll but it then turned to dysphoria and anxiety. Having experienced this before I didn't freak out as much but the lsd did make it hard to get back in a "good mindset" but some marijuana helped. The last time I took it, just yesterday I got my friend's good scale and measured out .1g of the same batch as the 2nd and 3rd time and put it in a gel cap. I also took 25mg HTP, I experienced some euphoria but not even much to mention and then again went back to dysphoria after about 20 minutes after onset (about 45 minutes after swallowing). This lasted for about 2 hours but was mild enough that I didn't mention it to anyone although my friend who was rolling with me said she noticed I seemed "bummed out" and not where she was.

I would like to blame the powder, as it was the same batch that produced these bad effects but all my friends that have rolled with me (5) have had no complaints. It was also sold by people I know and they never had anybody complain to them about it. Perhaps I burned my serotoning receptors out or something? I make sure to wait at least 4 weeks between rolls. I would really like to try mdma again but after the last time of not having a good roll I am considering just giving it up. Does bluelight have any suggestions? Should I try a lower/higher dose? Try a different batch? Try waiting awhile? Try more/less 5HTP? Also, not sure if this matters but I always preload with vitamins and antioxidants.
 
You seem to be using it rather responsibly, but maybe you should take longer breaks. You can also try various Nootropics such as Piracetam, Aniracetam, Noopept. Taking any of those for a week or so beforehand will definitely increase the effects. They are also very helpful on their own.
 
It seems to me that what ur taking isn't necessarily mdma. Or its cut with other shit. Just because people that sold it to u is a reliable scource and they claim they haven't heard complaints bout it before means absolutely nothing to me. Don't forget pipes react with different people in different ways so just because 5 others had an ok experience doesn't mean the 6th person won't feel like shit on it. U have to test everything and anything before u drop today. In this mdma market nowadays u have a better chance of hitting the play 4 Lotto than striking gold finding mdma. Can't stress enough bout testing everything. If my own mom handed me a cap of molly and said here drop this id be umm ok let me test first considering she doesn't even know what mdma is like the majority of the population sadly.
 
yeah doesn't sound like md to me, or it's cut with something.

could be pipes, could be anything. test that shit, don't trust anyone not even friends. they might think it's legit, and tell you it's legit, but they don't know shit most of the time.
 
yanker said:
It seems to me that what ur taking isn't necessarily mdma. Or its cut with other shit. Just because people that sold it to u is a reliable scource and they claim they haven't heard complaints bout it before means absolutely nothing to me. Don't forget pipes react with different people in different ways so just because 5 others had an ok experience doesn't mean the 6th person won't feel like shit on it. U have to test everything and anything before u drop today. In this mdma market nowadays u have a better chance of hitting the play 4 Lotto than striking gold finding mdma. Can't stress enough bout testing everything. If my own mom handed me a cap of molly and said here drop this id be umm ok let me test first considering she doesn't even know what mdma is like the majority of the population sadly.
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Ok I was going to order a marquis test would this detect the presence of adulterants?
 
peteparker said:
Meaning, if what I got was pipes or a non-mdxx substance it would detect it but if it was primarily mdxx with something else it would not?
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You can tell if a sample is MDMA and meth with a marquis pretty easily, but MDMA and piperazines is a lot harder to detect... but it's sure possible. The kit is worth it though. If will narrow down the substance you have to a pretty small list of chemicals
 
I would DEFINATELY get your MD checked. You've pretty much described para-methoxy(meth)amphetamine (PMA/PMMA) induced serotonin syndrome (SS) perfectly that second time.

It sounds like it might be MDMA cut with with one of those... usually in such a case, the high may start out very MDMA although it would probably be lacking in euphoria due to PM(M)A being an SSRA and having negligible effects of DA and NE. Just look at MDAI as an example. On it's own MDAI is pretty boring, and provides little more than a gentle softening of the ego, a somewhat greater appreciation for sensory stimulation and an all round sense of calm. As pleasant as MDAI is, it's not untill you add a DA/NE releaser (or reuptake inhibitor) that it becomes particularly entactogenic as the stimulant effects seem to potentiate the above "serenic" effects making the experience feel more special and MDMA like (although it still seems to be missing something).

Unfortunately, PM(M)A is also a pretty effective MAOA inhibitor. So not only do you have a strong serotonin release, but you're also preventing your body from clearing out the excess serotonin. This causes a steady build up of serotonin which could be potentially fatal. Beware that batch if the following sounds familiar:

1: Your high starts off like weak MDMA that has has been stripped of it's "oomph". increased serotonin release = reduced dopamine release

2: Your classic serotonergic side effects such as nystagmus continue to worsen. You were probably beyond the point where you should have peaked when you realised

3. As serotonin levels continue to rise even further, excessive stimulation of 5-HT receptors involved in thermoregulation (ie 5-HT2 receptors) causes your body temp and blood pressure to rise.

4: The experience becomes more trippy due extreme levels of endogenous serotonin activiating the 5-HT2A receptors

5: These same receptors cause anxiogenesis, like a bad trip. Except, when you take psychedelics, they tend to be more selective and most aren't full agonists. The psyches that happen to act as full agonists, such as the psychedelic amphetamines like bromo-dragonfly are known for their very steep dose response curve with overdose causing SS like effects where fatalaties are usually the result of hyperthermia induced organ failure

6: You are left with unpleasant lingering serotonergic effects like you've just necked a shit load of SSRI's and you just don't feel with it at all. Even though there was no real peak, you're left feeling like a dirty, sweaty, emotionally frazzled zombie. Death



Not that I'm trying to scare you or anything. Piperazines can also cause nasty anxiety and peripheral effects. It just seems odd that your mates reacted perfectly fine... usually if there's crappy pips going around people know. But it could potentially quite tricky to tell if your MDMA has been cut with PM(M)A depending on how much has been added and the dose taken. Your resonse could have been because you're quite sensitive to PM(M)A combined with the fact that it has such a steep dose response curve. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a really uneven cut too and you just happened to get a massive dose of PMA.


Also, 250 mg is a MASSIVE dose for MDMA. Even the most poorly sythed stuff i've had would leave me in a mess in a corner at that dose! Maybe you just had to much?
 
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