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Afgan Heroin???

I heard some one mention that brown powder and tar are different types of heroin, and they may containe traces of different opiates....could someone please, in laymans terms, tell me what the differences are between brown powder and tar heroin,such as chemistry, composition, duration of the highs,and the quality of each???is it true that tar herion lasts longer and has traces of other active opiates???I could never tell a difference between them, besides that they look different.

As I already stated... To requote myself:

The difference is tar isn't purified and hence gets a consistency just like roofing tar, and refers to a very specific type of heroin (although it can rock up and get dried out, alas, just like real tar, and therefore be similar to powder heroin). It's usually darker in color, more pungent in smell, and it always has a higher amount of trace opiates like monoacetylmorphines 6 and 3 (mam-3 and mam-6) and the like, which results in a longer, more morphine-like high than regular heroin.

To sum up:

Tar heroin has more non-reacted morphine in it, resulting in more morphine, monoacetylemorphine-3 (MAM-3), and monoacetylemorphine-6 (MAM-6). This leads to a more morphine-like high, which will be sleepier, drowsier, longer lasting, and much more side effects (more puking, pins and needles, and itching and scratching, as well as other side effects resulting from a sharp increase in histimines released in the body similar to an allergic reaction).

Tar will have more side effects, a longer duration (about 6 hours compared to the 1-2 of powder or heroin that is not 'adulterated' with unacetylzed morphine). Since the refinement process of tar heroin is pretty much absent compared to powder heroin, the morphine is not fully reacted. Therefore you get many more morphines and only partially acetylzed morphines, whereas in powder heroin you pretty much only get heroin (diacetylmorphine), and very little amount of morphine and monoacetylmorphines.

Some prefer powder because of much less side effects and a cleaner and more alert and sociable high. Some prefer tar because it is cheaper, lasts much longer, and prefer a drowsier, more relaxed and sleepy high as opposed to a more sociable one. Some people love the itchiness and such side effects tar brings, others hate the itch. Some love the long duration, some think tar is ridiculously long in duration. Some don't mind puking and the allergic reactions tar brings on, some can't stand it.

In composition, in tar heroin the morphine base compound used for synthesis isn't fully reacted, which leaves behind a mix mixture of morphine, MAM-3, MAM-6, and diacetylmorphine. Powder heroin, the morphine is more fully acetylized, and you pretty much only get diacetylmorphine. In a way, tar heroin is 'cut' with active morphines, while powder is the one and only, heroin.

very very wrong grasshopper. all long term users I know around Chi town say they hat etar with a passion because it ruins their veins and requires extra steps to cook up unlike actual White Powder Raw Heroin.

People vary either way. I'm not wrong, you're not wrong. I was simply saying of the old heads that I personally talked to, many favored tar. I'm not saying this is true of all old heads, or even most. Just personal experience.

I think alot of people bae "generalizations" of heroin in "generk" based on only what ghthe yare even able to get. for exampel if someoen

Huh? I can't understand anything you said there buddy, please edit your comments.

what posesses you to think people like tar better is beyond me.

I prefer tar because it lasts 6-8 hours strong, whereas powder heroin lasts only an hour. I like the drowsier high of tar, the more relaxed high where you nod much easier, as opposed to the more sociable and comparatively alert high of just pure heroin.

Both are easy to prep, you just add water and mix... Some tar requires heat, some doesn't. In many cases, tar heroin is no different from powder heroin. I've had tar heroin that came in powder, and looked exactly like powder heroin (but was obviously different due to taste, smell, and effect).

I only shoot heroin so I really don't care about which is easier to snort. You can still snort regular black tar. Although snorting is absolutely disgusting - in my opinion, I can't understand what 'possesses' people to snort their heroin.

Both are just as harmful to the veins if you don't filter properly.

but in GENERl, whitre powder/china white is the best heroin, tar is pretty far behind it.

Buddy I seriously doubt you've ever had 'china white' if you live in the states. China White refers to heroin distributed by the Mafia about 4 decades ago, that was routed from Italy and Spain. Any white powder you get these days most likely comes from Colombia.

The way you talk about tar heroin, I am skeptical to believe you've ever tried tar heroin.
 
methadon3000 said:
jykkE, you are 100% INCORRECT! It isn't about geography (what is closer to what).....it's about GEOPOLITCAL INTERESTS. The Arabs turn the other cheek for whatever C.I.A and the U.S. are doing to them (not neccesarily bad things like torture but also shit like releasing known jihadist/terrorists for negociations which happen all the time, THE REASON OSAMA BIN LADEN WILL NEVER BE COUGHT, b/c the U.S. knows it will be the end of relations with the Arab/Muslim/Middle Eastern countries) and for that in exchange they trade not just their local produce heroin, but also guns, ammunition.

If you/anybody here knows ANYTHING about wars is that WARS ARE NECCESSARY FOR A COUNTRY'S ECONOMY and STABILITY. The reason why wars basically NEED to happen every once in a while, ALSO the reason for the 9/11 'terrorist attacks' (the U.S. has Arabs working for them all over the world...so it's not hard for the states to hire some 'dirty byzantine Arabs' to take the blame.....after all the states was plunging in economic down fall before 9/11). Also the reason Pearl Harbour was started, also by the American army itself! THESE ARE KNOWN FACTS and I'm not pulling them of out my ass, if u look for them you will see. The Americans are the leading superpower, they have known for years from years and years of scientifc studies (even by Nazi doctors) that the method of 'killing your own people 'for the greater good' and TELEVISING IT or making it PUBLIC like the radios in WW2' is the best and most effecient method of deception and propaganda on a national even international level, at least for the common folk.

It is also a WELL known fact (look it up) that the U.S navy experimented in the early 70's with making ships litteraly dissapear, not from radars but litteraly in real life.

Uhh...how stuff gets into the country is pretty geographical. South America can smuggle stuff into the east coast a lot easier than the west coast since they can use the Carribean for waypoints. Mexican DTO's use the border for their smuggling, which is why their drugs (tar) turn up in the South West. Southeast Asian heroin use the Northeastern ports (Washington, Vancouver) to smuggle in their powder heroin which is why their drugs proliferate in those regions.

As for your 'invisible ship' experiment you mentioned, I take it you're referring to the "Philadelphia Experiment" which has been proven time and time again to be FALSE and a HOAX. Just another conspiracy that people try to use to prove that the government has some nuts hidden agenda. The government sucks a lot...but that is pretty far out there. Read about it somewhere else besides some website that also says we didn't land on the moon, theres life on mars, and kennedy was assassinated by big foot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

You're nuts man. lol.
I stand by my original reply to the thread.

If you get tar its from Mexico.
If you are on the east coast, you get it from Columbia/South America.
If you get tan in the Northwest (Vancouver, etc), you get it from SE Asia.
 
jykkE said:
If you get tar its from Mexico.
If you are on the east coast, you get it from Columbia/South America.
If you get tan in the Northwest (Vancouver, etc), you get it from SE Asia.

this is what ive been trying to say. i will add though that i dont think there is much Asian heroin in the NE US, if thats what you meant. I do believe it is exists, but any shit you buy on the street is either going to be Mexican tar or South American powder. Unless you have some John Travolta/ Pulp Fiction style hookups you arent getting anything from Asia (in the US that is).

as to tar vs. powder, i have a whole thread on that we dont really need to hijack this thread with that argument. in the end, its really just a regional thing and most of the poeple that shoot tar will say that tar is better, and most of the people who use powder will say powder. in reality tar and powder have recently been reaching nearly equal purity levels (right around 30% on average), so it really just depends on your hookup.
 
Outisde the EU and immediate fargate you will not see it. It is almost always #2 and that is not sold in the US. Tar is Mexican, most white is Colombian, as is brown, although a bit is good old Mexican Mud, and a bit of SE #4 still makes its way there. On very rare occasions you MIGHT encounter it, as the case in Las Vegas where the moron tried offloading 2 kis to an UC but it is exceedingly rare.
 
chinacat311 said:
this is what ive been trying to say. i will add though that i dont think there is much Asian heroin in the NE US, if thats what you meant. I do believe it is exists, but any shit you buy on the street is either going to be Mexican tar or South American powder. Unless you have some John Travolta/ Pulp Fiction style hookups you arent getting anything from Asia (in the US that is).
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Lol, nowhere in my reply did I say Asian heroin was in the Northeast. I said its in the Northwest, mostly Canada. I had a friend visit Vancouver and he found china white very easy. Very high quality Asian heroin.
 
my bad, i misread.

either way, how did he know it was asian? a lot of people talk about "china white" as if there is some specific type/location of unique heroin. a lot of "china white" is either just plain old white heroin (that could be from anywhere, Asia or South America, most commonly the latter when purchased in North America) or fentanyl laced dope.

im not denying that it was possible, just curious as to how he knew it was "China White" and even then how he knew it was from Asia. there are a lot of unscrupulous dealers that claim they have "China White" all the time and its usually no more than plain old Columbian white.. maybe sometimes purer than usual but rarely from Asia. im talking mostly about the US, so i dont know how it is in Vancouver thats why im asking.
 
(about 6 hours compared to the 1-2 of powder or heroin that is not 'adulterated' with unacetylzed morphine).
I don't know what type of powdered dope you've had. The dope in the northeastern US will last at least 4 hours. Even IV'ed.

I'm sure the NE dope users will attest to that.

(And don't come back with the "oh, it's the adulterants in your dope" argument.)


Now, if we talk about pure heroin, the duration is similar to morphine. I'm sure you could figure out why.
 
jykkE, you are 100% INCORRECT! It isn't about geography (what is closer to what).....it's about GEOPOLITCAL INTERESTS. The Arabs turn the other cheek for whatever C.I.A and the U.S. are doing to them (not neccesarily bad things like torture but also shit like releasing known jihadist/terrorists for negociations which happen all the time, THE REASON OSAMA BIN LADEN WILL NEVER BE COUGHT, b/c the U.S. knows it will be the end of relations with the Arab/Muslim/Middle Eastern countries) and for that in exchange they trade not just their local produce heroin, but also guns, ammunition.

Geography has a lot to do with it. It's much harder for afghanistan to smuggle heroin into America, which is why the south americas dominate the trade here in the US.

As for "arabs turn the cheek" you can't exactly just make a comment like that, and in my opinion, it's quite racist. Not all arabs view America the same - most of them like America, and many hate us with a passion. America does not release terrorists 'all the time', please post sources for such outlandish claims. You can't just make stuff like this up dude, you have to post sources if what you are saying is not commonly accepted as fact.

As a policy, America does not release terrorists if they know they are active. There have been plenty of times we have released terrorists unknowingly - it's pretty well known that many people who are caught on the field of battle in Iraq/Afghanistan and are sent to Gitmo, only to be released due to lack of evidence, come back later. America is one of the few countries who has a pretty strict policy in regards to hostage negotiation, and won't release terrorists at all.

You're comment about Osama bin Laden is also ridiculous. America does not care about the foreign relations with countries that harbor terrorists, like Iran. The current administration is quite different than the Clinton Administration - before we tried to kiss everyone's ass, and look what good that did us. Clinton tried to get everyone to like us, and that just was seen as weakness in the eyes of hostile groups. Bush realizes that good, democratic nations will like us and invariably hostile nations will dislike us.

As you can tell, Bush could not care less about the opinion of countries like Iran. We've killed many of the top leaders of al-Qaeda, but you think we won't kill the Number 1 because it will hurt public opinion? That makes no sense...

The American government does not buy heroin either... That's a ludicrous claim that's been debunked over and over by private groups. We don't buy guns or ammo from anyone else either, we already have superior technology for that and we don't need faulty guns from other countries. If anything, we sell lots of our older stuff, and sometimes even to nations that eventually become hostile towards us (though we don't sell to nations currently hostile).
If you/anybody here knows ANYTHING about wars is that WARS ARE NECCESSARY FOR A COUNTRY'S ECONOMY and STABILITY. The reason why wars basically NEED to happen every once in a while, ALSO the reason for the 9/11 'terrorist attacks' (the U.S. has Arabs working for them all over the world...so it's not hard for the states to hire some 'dirty byzantine Arabs' to take the blame.....after all the states was plunging in economic down fall before 9/11). Also the reason Pearl Harbour was started, also by the American army itself! THESE ARE KNOWN FACTS and I'm not pulling them of out my ass, if u look for them you will see. The Americans are the leading superpower, they have known for years from years and years of scientifc studies (even by Nazi doctors) that the method of 'killing your own people 'for the greater good' and TELEVISING IT or making it PUBLIC like the radios in WW2' is the best and most effecient method of deception and propaganda on a national even international level, at least for the common folk.

Wars do not stabilize or help the economy. It's funny how so many people say the Iraq War is ruining our economy, and then say WW2 brought us out of the depression.

Fact of the matter as it stands, is that the Iraq War is pretty cheap. While costs can seem high, the military is always expensive, and costs pretty much the same whether we are in war or not. Bullets, missiles, rockets, all have to be thrown away if they aren't used in a couple years, and soldiers have to be paid. As it stands our military expenditures are very low compared to our GDP. The only reason costs are somewhat higher right now, is because Clinton demilitarized, which was pretty bad since we had to purchase it all back.

You need to have a large military regardless of whether you are in war or not.

Wars don't need to happen 'once in a while', and in general they do not help the economy at all. Every year GM spends building humvees is less resources spent in making domestic cars for a large profit. The states were not in an economic downfall before 9/11 either.

Pearl harbor was not started by America either... We tried a noninterventionist policy in the 30s and 40s and it failed miserably, and we came to realize that militaristic countries need to be stopped pre-eminently. The reason we are in the middle east right now is to stop it from becoming a large problem like Japan and Germany became in ww2 and ww1.

This idea we employ "arabs all over the world" is ridiculous dude. You are making completely asinine and racist comments. Arabs are just people like everyone else.

It is also a WELL known fact (look it up) that the U.S navy experimented in the early 70's with making ships litteraly dissapear, not from radars but litteraly in real life.

this is not a well known fact, stop making stuff up. The navy made a lot of stealth technology, and continues to do so. We don't just send 'shadow ships' everywhere, there is a record of everything. Sorry, but stuff like Tom Clancy isn't true.

We don't need wars to help our economy, wars actually hurt the economy. However, the Iraq War as an expenditure is very small (yes, it's billions of dollars every day, but in the scale of things it is quite small). We spend money on a military whether we are in war or not.

I'm an economics major, so I know what I'm talking about. You can't just make comments about how good our economy is out of thin air. There are very real indicators of our economy, such as GDP. Right now, for example, our economy is extremely strong. I know the newspapers keep saying doom and gloom, but it is totally irresponsible of them. A recession means two fiscal periods of negative GDP growth, and we haven't had negative growth since 9/11.

I had a friend visit Vancouver and he found china white very easy. Very high quality Asian heroin.

This comment is ridiculous... you can't tell heroin is Chinese simply because it was white. Most likely what he found was Colombian heroin. Asian heroin is the same as Colombian heroin dude.

And by the way, China White refers to a brand of heroin imported from Europe that was processed in China, that was smuggled by the Mafia, in the 50's and 60's. There is no more "China White". We do not get heroin anymore from the Golden Triangle (asian producers). We don't get heroin from the golden crescent either. We get it from the Americas.

You can't just say your friends experience is proof of anything, anecdotal reports are hardly accountable as evidence or proof. You're friend most likely got Colombian heroin that was white.

He talked to people that were there and they all said the dope in the area came from Asia

Right, and my dealer tells me that all his pills are triple stacked 8)
I don't know what type of powdered dope you've had. The dope in the northeastern US will last at least 4 hours. Even insufflated.

I'm sure the NE dope users will attest to that.

(And don't come back with the "oh, it's the adulterants in your dope" argument.)

Powdered heroin lasts significantly shorter than tar heroin. I don't know what you mean by being dismissive towards whatever argument of mine you don't like, I was simply pointing out that tar heroin could be considered 'adulterated' with morphine and MAMs, since it isn't just heroin as the active ingredient, whereas with powder heroin, heroin is the main active ingredient.

In my experience, powdered dope lasts about 1-2 hours at peak levels. Tar heroin, the high is stronger for much longer because of all the morphines and MAMs in it. If you want to say powdered dope lasts 4 hours, fine, but my point is that tar lasts much longer.
 
Uh, NE dope user here ... and it doesn't last 1 hour. It definitely lasts up to 8 hours, though I have never IV'd I would imagine it to last longer than 1 hour. And since when does IV morphine last longer than IV heroin?
 
^ he means peak effects.

I know what you are saying though. The dope i have gotten recentley has kept me high for close to 9 hours. I wasnt nodding out the entire time, but I was definitely under the influence of heroin the whole time.

Even still, 1 - 2 hours is not a typical duration for powdered heroin. You must have had some very low quality dope if thats all you got out of it.
 
i would agree, a one hour IV dope high is very unlikely. it actually sounds like it could have easily been bunk heroin... possibly a fentanyl analogue or something because that is known to have a much shorter duration.

that is, assuming your "one hour powder" comment wasnt just hear-say.
 
Even still, 1 - 2 hours is not a typical duration for powdered heroin. You must have had some very low quality dope if thats all you got out of it.

Well, I'm talking about a medium dose. If you take a high end dose you'll be high for many more hours, like around 4-5. But I mean with just a modest shot I find the peak levels last only 1 hour. The high lingers for probably around 2-3.

Whatever, my point is tar lasts longer.

However strong my heroin is makes no difference. The different durations in the highs has nothing to do with how pure your heroin is, but the mixture of opiates in it. Weak 'bunk' heroin would last just as long as strong heroin at the equipotent dosage.

As someone noted, I am talking about PEAK levels. The high lasts for maybe 3-4 hours I guess. But with tar, peak levels lasts over 5 hours easy, while the PEAK level for powder is just an hour.
 
^ Right, I never meant to detract from your point. Everything Ive heard is that tar in fact does have a little bit longer of a duration. So yeah, sorry for derailing a little bit. I wasnt implying anything about you when I commented on the purity of your heroin either. The difference in duration is affected by purity though. For me, when I was using daily, low quality would last me 40 minutes (if i was lucky) while high quality would give me at least 4 hours.

At equipotent dosages, yeah it would be the same. But then again, if they are equipotent, "low purity" and "high purity" no longer mean anything. To get equipotent doses, you may need 6 bags of crap to equal 2 bags of good shit. The average street user doesnt work that way. If you are an average person on the street and you buy 2 bags of low quality, it wont last as long as 2 bags of high quality.

I know you meant peak levels too. I even said it in my previous post to chincat311 that you were most likely talking about peak levels.
 
i realize its peak levels, but i shoot tar daily and i have never had a high last more than 5 hours, much less a "peak" last that long. in fact, for me the "peaks" of tar and powder are what are quite similar, i believe its the after-effects of tar that do last a bit longer, maybe an hour longer than a powder high.

and by "bunk" i meant fentanyl or some other analogue mixture, not simply impure diamorphine
 
Surf N Satch said:
I heard from a pretty knowlegable friend that approximately 90% of all the heroin in the United States is actually IMPORTED FROM AFGANISTAN!!


In the last 5 years heroin production in Afghanistan has increased by 1000% !!!!!

It would be really strange if the US wouldn't receive a lot of Hero from there.....maybe they are making it different for the US market. In western Europe its now mostly heroin base or waht the Grateful Dead called "Persian Powder"
 
vanlier said:
In the last 5 years heroin production in Afghanistan has increased by 1000% !!!!!

It would be really strange if the US wouldn't receive a lot of Hero from there.....maybe they are making it different for the US market. In western Europe its now mostly heroin base or waht the Grateful Dead called "Persian Powder"

It's because Afghanistan is on the complete other side of the world. Columbia and Mexico are much closer.
 
According to the National Geographic channel, the entire north east united states is supplied by Afghanistan. It goes from Afghanistan to Nigeria, then mules carry it from Nigeria to New York, and then from New York its distributed to the North East. I know my area (Detroit) gets it from there because they specifically mentioned it.
 
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