Afgan Heroin???

[methadon3000]

I want to ask something I never used heroin so I don't know the difference.

Can somebody PLEASE specify the difference between tar and powder?

Can u only smoke the tar and inject/smoke/snort the powder or how does it work? I'm close to Toronto. I have NO FUCKING idea what the prices are. I know 1 gram coke is $80...crack apprently is a bit more expensive (from everyone i've asked who have used it and bought it).

 

[eon_blue]

I want to ask something I never used heroin so I don't know the difference.

Can somebody PLEASE specify the difference between tar and powder?

Can u only smoke the tar and inject/smoke/snort the powder or how does it work? I'm close to Toronto. I have NO FUCKING idea what the prices are. I know 1 gram coke is $80...crack apprently is a bit more expensive (from everyone i've asked who have used it and bought it).

From what I understand, tar doens't fall within the numbering system for heroin but technically speaking, it is #4...just refined differently.

On topic, I was under the impression that the east coast dope scene is primarily supplied by Colombia and other parts of South America, not the middle east...?

 

[methadon3000]

jykkE, you are 100% INCORRECT! It isn't about geography (what is closer to what).....it's about GEOPOLITCAL INTERESTS. The Arabs turn the other cheek for whatever C.I.A and the U.S. are doing to them (not neccesarily bad things like torture but also shit like releasing known jihadist/terrorists for negociations which happen all the time, THE REASON OSAMA BIN LADEN WILL NEVER BE COUGHT, b/c the U.S. knows it will be the end of relations with the Arab/Muslim/Middle Eastern countries) and for that in exchange they trade not just their local produce heroin, but also guns, ammunition.


If you/anybody here knows ANYTHING about wars is that WARS ARE NECCESSARY FOR A COUNTRY'S ECONOMY and STABILITY. The reason why wars basically NEED to happen every once in a while, ALSO the reason for the 9/11 'terrorist attacks' (the U.S. has Arabs working for them all over the world...so it's not hard for the states to hire some 'dirty byzantine Arabs' to take the blame.....after all the states was plunging in economic down fall before 9/11). Also the reason Pearl Harbour was started, also by the American army itself! THESE ARE KNOWN FACTS and I'm not pulling them of out my ass, if u look for them you will see. The Americans are the leading superpower, they have known for years from years and years of scientifc studies (even by Nazi doctors) that the method of 'killing your own people 'for the greater good' and TELEVISING IT or making it PUBLIC like the radios in WW2' is the best and most effecient method of deception and propaganda on a national even international level, at least for the common folk.

It is also a WELL known fact (look it up) that the U.S navy experimented in the early 70's with making ships litteraly dissapear, not from radars but litteraly in real life.

 

[chinacat311]

On topic, I was under the impression that the east coast dope scene is primarily supplied by Colombia and other parts of South America, not the middle east...?

Yes this is true. There is a very small presence of Asian dope in the US, most of the powder comes from Columbia/South American and most if not all of the tar comes from Mexico. in reality, there is very little Afghan (South Asian) heroin in the US.

-Overall decreases in retail purity of South American heroin and increasing retail purity of Mexican heroin may aid Mexican DTOs in expanding Mexican heroin distribution.

-Colombian DTOs increasingly rely on Mexican DTOs to smuggle South American heroin into the United States.

-The availability of Southwest Asian heroin in the United States is at a low level and will very likely remain so in the near term.

-Southeast Asian heroin remains available in certain U.S. drug markets; however, availability is limited and appears to be declining.

source: http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs25/25921/heroin.htm#Top

Southeast Asian = Afghan and Middle East
DTO = Drug Trafficking Organization
South American heroin = Powder (east coast US)
Mexican Heroin = Tar

Can somebody PLEASE specify the difference between tar and powder?

Can u only smoke the tar and inject/smoke/snort the powder or how does it work? I'm close to Toronto. I have NO FUCKING idea what the prices are. I know 1 gram coke is $80...crack apprently is a bit more expensive (from everyone i've asked who have used it and bought it).

tar is just that like it sounds, its a black gooey substance that can be smoked or injected. we arent supposed to list prices and shit, but tar is usually a lot cheaper than power by weight, i.e a gram of tar is usually half as expensive as a gram of powder. ( a gram of powder is usually more expensive than the coke you are buying, and a G of tar would be cheaper than a G of your coke to be specific)

you can IV both tar and powder, you can snort both (you have to melt the tar down w/water or cut it with powder), and you can smoke both (but tar is much easier to smoke than powder.)

there are a lot of conspiracy theories popping up in this thread, but if you are going to post come ridiculous government plot to bring drugs into the US or something like that, please post some sources. i see a lot of potential bullshit in the above posts, no offense. i would just like to see some actual (i.e. DOCUMENTED) facts to back up some of those claims.

 

[Nickatina]

What do you mean you want sources? It's pretty obvious that the Navy can make ships disappear and transport them across the world 8)

 

[Nagelfar]

I was lucky enough to find my dealer soooo fuckeed up last night on valium,xanax, and brown powder she couldnt stay awake to finish two sentences. she was so fucked up, she tossed me a giant rock(approx. 1/2 gram) for $20!Its probably the best deal ive gotten.shes done it before too.

Junkies who are dealers have their guard down all of the time, I'm surprised they don't get robbed more often. I know of this junkie heroin dealer once that the first time he meets up with you, trusts you to drive him to another city to re-up from his dealer, the very first time he meets you. Cocaine dealers who are users are the opposite, they are so paranoid and jumpy, willing to think you are trying to rip them off or get at them when you are as on the level as could be. I'd suggest anyone who is in the U.S. and so licensed to come heavy to any such deals when it gets up over a gram.

 

[phr]

SWA=afghanistan, india, pakistan, middle east. AKA Golden Crescent
SEA=Vietnam, Burma, Thailand. AKA Golden Triangle


Just clearing that up.

Also, afaik, base isn't available in the US*. At least not according to any of the users I've talked to, or any of the gov't literature I've read.



*Of course small batches may pop up. But they're more or less "personal" use amounts. Nothing getting sold on the street at any volume.

 

[Surf N Satch]

there are a lot of conspiracy theories popping up in this thread, but if you are going to post come ridiculous government plot to bring drugs into the US or something like that, please post some sources. i see a lot of potential bullshit in the above posts, no offense. i would just like to see some actual (i.e. DOCUMENTED) facts to back up some of those claims.

Ill second that, I dont want to hear any more conspiracy theories unless you have a good reliable source of the information supplied.


And hey guys, i really do appreciate all the feedback you guys gave me, u guys are great.Thanks again-
-Rye

 

[Surf N Satch]

. I'd suggest anyone who is in the U.S. and so licensed to come heavy to any such deals when it gets up over a gram.

I dont really get what u said there.....do u mean take advantage of the good opportunity??IDK....anyways, your right about H dealers, many of them(ESPECIALLY when there high as hell) are more easy goin that coke dealers.....some coke dealers here in the inner city kinda scare me lol....seriously tho.....

 

[Surf N Satch]

Oh, and while were on the topics of opium/heroin, have any of you had REAL opium here in the US that you didnt grow yourself or extract from dried poppy pods?????Ive grown my own opium poppies and smoked opium from them, but ALL the opium ive bought off the street is made from incence and chewing gum,and its a mistake i only made 2x when i was like 16 lol.Real opium smells like nasty milk weed sap and doen NOT smell like the incence in any way.It is a rare treat to get to smoke real opium.I was wondering if any of you have ever had real opium before.How much did it cost per gram?Im wondering how much it should cost because my "friend"plans on growing some papaver giganthemum turkish flowers this spring.-peace-
-rye

 

[chinacat311]

I dont really get what u said there.....do u mean take advantage of the good opportunity??IDK....anyways, your right about H dealers, many of them(ESPECIALLY when there high as hell) are more easy goin that coke dealers.....some coke dealers here in the inner city kinda scare me lol....seriously tho.....

"come heavy" i.e. bring a gun to the deal if its over a gram. coke dealers are known to be particularly paranoid, but i really have a hard time agreeing with this advice. if someone wants to rob you, the only thing bringing a gun to the deal will guarantee is that someone will probably be shot, and do you really want to be playing wild wild west with some paranoid coke dealer?

we have gone down this road before (copping on the street thread) and the general consensus was guns often present more of a risk to an already sketchy situation. most robberies will just end with you getting your shit stolen or ass kicked at worst, but if you flash a weapon you are much more likely to get hurt/killed.

anyway to answer your other question Surf, real opium is pretty much non-existent here in the US. most of what is sold as opium is actually incense or black tar heroin. we cant discuss specific prices here but from what i gathered from the price thread it is generally cheaper than black tar heroin (but who knows if that was even real opium- i doubt it myself).

 

[Nagelfar]

I dont really get what u said there.....do u mean take advantage of the good opportunity??IDK....

I just mean protect yourself. You don't want to bring your money and have it taken from you at knife point or what-have-you, when you have hundreds of dollars ripped off from you in a deal, you won't soon forget about it. Cocaine dealers are the worst from my experience, but use your own judgment, hopefully you have good intuition about such things, try to go through people you trust is always a good idea. I just always feel safer when I'm carrying protection.

 

[pkt]

I know about %90 of the dope in north Europe is afghan heroin, atleast %90 of the dope you can find . The other %10 i would say is #2 from SEA.

Its not really that hard to work out. Your dope usually comes from the easiest most accessible source, which in your case would be South America & alternatively there are a lot of routes from South East Asia through to Canada.

I wouldn't be too upset if your not getting too much afghan heroin. I've only had the #3 which is usually like %35 max... I'd rather get #2 from SEA or Columbia.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

I can't help but call bullshit on someone saying the CIA bought cocaine, and yet doesn't know the difference between tar and powder. Please post these 'well known facts', as similar claims have been made many times before only to be debunked as total bullshit made up on the spot with no evidence at all (CIA sells crack to LA anyone?).

The difference is tar isn't purified and hence gets a consistency just like roofing tar, and refers to a very specific type of heroin (although it can rock up and get dried out, alas, just like real tar, and therefore be similar to powder heroin). It's usually darker in color, more pungent in smell, and it always has a higher amount of trace opiates like monoacetylmorphines 6 and 3 (mam-3 and mam-6) and the like, which results in a longer, more morphine-like high than regular heroin.

Usually long term junkies and users prefer tar for it's duration and cost, which is superior to powder when you are using less for euphoria and more for keeping withdrawal at bay and avoiding sickness. I prefer tar simply because I love the duration of it, 8 hours beats the 1-2 hour diminished high of powder anyday. Tar has alot more side effects and is a 'dirtier' high, but when your that high, who cares!

Most of the US is supplied by the Americas, and NOT by Afghanistan, contrary to some thought. Afghani illicit opiate production has skyrocketed, but their service goes to Eurasia and Africa, NOT America.

However, with Eurasia and Africa having a more steady and cheaper source of opium, that definitely affects the US market, allowing the Americas to focus production on these continents instead.

 

['medicine cabinet']

i wonder if there is a % of dope that come out of afghanistan that is super refined and #4 HCL powder. i know the majority is base, but you gotta think some of that dope gets turned into really pure HCL dope that would easily sell over here in the US. the last few batches of dope i have seen havnt been the usual SA kind, its been kinda yellow brown and really vinegary smelling. i know it comes from africans, probably nigerians.

 

[Hendrix Haze15]

wow people on here pay alot for tar. I live in southern cali and a gram of tar is usually $30-$40. Once there was this really really potent stuff which was like $70 a gram but thats the most iv ever seen tar being sold for.

 

[phr]

^
This isn't a price thread.

 

[Hendrix Haze15]

^
This isn't a price thread.

sorry I know, i just had to get that in.

 

[Surf N Satch]

I heard some one mention that brown powder and tar are different types of heroin, and they may containe traces of different opiates....could someone please, in laymans terms, tell me what the differences are between brown powder and tar heroin,such as chemistry, composition, duration of the highs,and the quality of each???is it true that tar herion lasts longer and has traces of other active opiates???I could never tell a difference between them, besides that they look different.

Oh ,and also, im so damnded jealous of you deep southerners, you guys get badass prices on just about everything ,from imported pharms, to weed,smack,and cocaine.AND the drugs like coke and junk have been through fewer middle men, so theyre usually less cut...i remember buying a kilo of weed in mexico for 60$,and it was good bud too.I also rememer buying an 8 ball im juarez once for 25$,and it was AMAZING. Lucky bastards....

 

[Alkaloidpun]

I can't help but call bullshit on someone saying the CIA bought cocaine, and yet doesn't know the difference between tar and powder. Please post these 'well known facts', as similar claims have been made many times before only to be debunked as total bullshit made up on the spot with no evidence at all (CIA sells crack to LA anyone?).

The difference is tar isn't purified and hence gets a consistency just like roofing tar, and refers to a very specific type of heroin (although it can rock up and get dried out, alas, just like real tar, and therefore be similar to powder heroin). It's usually darker in color, more pungent in smell, and it always has a higher amount of trace opiates like monoacetylmorphines 6 and 3 (mam-3 and mam-6) and the like, which results in a longer, more morphine-like high than regular heroin.

Usually long term junkies and users prefer tar for it's duration and cost, which is superior to powder when you are using less for euphoria and more for keeping withdrawal at bay and avoiding sickness. I prefer tar simply because I love the duration of it, 8 hours beats the 1-2 hour diminished high of powder anyday. Tar has alot more side effects and is a 'dirtier' high, but when your that high, who cares!

Most of the US is supplied by the Americas, and NOT by Afghanistan, contrary to some thought. Afghani illicit opiate production has skyrocketed, but their service goes to Eurasia and Africa, NOT America.

However, with Eurasia and Africa having a more steady and cheaper source of opium, that definitely affects the US market, allowing the Americas to focus production on these continents instead.

very very wrong grasshopper. all long term users I know around Chi town say they hat etar with a passion because it ruins their veins and requires extra steps to cook up unlike actual White Powder Raw Heroin.

I think alot of people bae "generalizations" of heroin in "generk" based on only what ghthe yare even able to get. for exampel if someoen can only get brown powder, and every oncei na blue moon white diHCI/salt heroin, they will go out of tgheir way to convince evne THEMSLEVES that brown powder heroi n is just the best.

fact remaisn, tar has actually not had the purification processses that china white/ white pwoder heroin ahs, same for brown powder heroin, white powder heroi nis teh BESt heroin tha thas ever been made. purity still varies, but in GENERl, whitre powder/china white is the best heroin, tar is pretty far behind it.

white/n. 4 powder heroin is A> purer, B. MUCH less harmful o nthe veins, C. much easier to prepare for injection and D. insufflatable thus people can use this form of heroin i nthe safest manner there is.

what posesses you to think people like tar better is beyond me.