A serious thread about online poker

[Fjones]

ehhhh.

Let me see if I understand this -- You are giving up sngs because you cannot beat people who call with junk? So you are gonig to play cash games where people play better hands?

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I am not trying to give you a hard time, but this doesn't sound very logical to me.

Online cash games are VERY difficult to beat. They involve deeper level play and thought than sngs do, which are mostly pre-flop strategy.

Also, regarding the guy who has 5 BB and min raises with AK -- He has 5 BB. Who cares what he does with AK. Eitherway, he is taking it the whole way, so why not min raise?

 

[Bedhead]

I will get my chips back sooner or later.

Until he triples up w/ A7 against KK and QQ and... you become short stacked, push, and he sucks out on you with like a gut shot w/ 46o because he's running in donk god mode. You bubble, and the other short stack running 50/4 makes the money. LOL

Looked at some graphs, playing better over the last 100 or so games compared to before. Just need to focus on tilt control and concentration.

This always makes me laugh when I'm feeling down. This guys voice really makes the video.
How to play JJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA

 

[Fjones]

stick with sngs for awhile. cash games are annoying. full ring you will have a bunch of people playing 10/7 or 10/8 and 6 handed you will need to play 19/17 to eb profitable, which is not easy to do.

Then again, sngs can be really annoying too, as evidenced by this chart which makes me want to quit...

 

[Infinite Jest]

Good to hear about your friends, nguboi.

I'm running cold; have lost about 20% of my bankroll starting with that QQ on the bubble I posted above. Playing OK, mostly, but getting unlucky. (Flop a full, get outdrawn - though to be fair he had a higher pair than me; went out with AA to some fool who couldn't fold preflop, played hands like K3 sooted and made a flush, took me out with K9 off - yeah, great call in the BB to an EP raiser, idiot).

Favourite story (not real poker): playing Indian in a home game (you get one card, hold it to your forehead so everyone else can see it, and you can't). One guy's showing an Ace, he bets....and another guy flat calls him! Putting even money in the pot on a 1 in 17 chance that he's also got an A, and splits the pot!

 

[basix]

I'm done w/ SnGs as soon as I break even, a few more bucks to go. I just can't deal with people calling all ins with dominated garbage hands and hitting or fuckers min raising in the SB with 5 BB with AK. I don't know what that is supposed to accomplish.

quit poker then

Or learn that ppl playing bad hands and making mistakes is where your profit comes from

 

[Fjones]

F poker for a while man, its been so frustrating in every aspect I just don't know what to do.

In other news. To add insult to injury, a friend of mine, who just started playing 2 months ago, recently won a tourny on full tilt for 2400$. This made me want to puke. He is the type of player who raised 8x with AA, and min raises with anything else. I have seen him raise UTG with suited junk like 5 2 and even if the board comes A K 2 suited he will check raise all in/ or open shove and luck box out. This all happened in the tourny he won.

Stuff like this just boggles the fuck out of my mind. I've seen 3 people I know play poker for less than 3 months, play HORRIBLY bad, and have 4 digit tourny wins. HOW? It makes me feel like I should just play like shit and hope its my lucky day today. I unno man.

Also, 2 of my friends are in vegas playing WSOP events. AJ played the 2000 PLHE event Thursday, and came in 100ish out of 450 and. They both played the 1500$ NLHE event 39 today, with 2720 players, and one busted KK v A9 AIPF for a big stack middle of the day, and the other had a roller coaster day, busting with 10minutes left in the first day KK v AA button v aggressive BB.

AJ is DEEP. He already won a seat into the Main Event, and bought in about 35,000$ worth of tournies. I hope BIG BIG things for both of them, and if any of them make a final table (crosses fingers) they are going to fly me out there and I am taking off work.

Please, poker gods, help them along, I need a vegas vacation

this is because----- a nutcase aggro strategy of any kind is better than an overly tight strategy. You simply do not get enough good hands to overcoem the rate of attrition that comes with icnerasing blinds and antes.

If you can get 1st place in a large tournament 1 time out of 100, you are killing them. So, play aggressively. Make the cards secondary - a backup plan in case your aggression forces a showdown. 99 times out of 100 this strategy will not win, but 1 time out of 100, it will. And the profits will be enormous.

 

[Bedhead]

Do you guys use PT3 or HEM? They do basically the same thing right? I've heard PT3's graphs are prettier, but that's about the only difference. I had a good experience w/ the HEM trial. Just want to hear your guy's opinions on what you use/would use.

 

[Fjones]

Do you guys use PT3 or HEM? They do basically the same thing right? I've heard PT3's graphs are prettier, but that's about the only difference. I had a good experience w/ the HEM trial. Just want to hear your guy's opinions on what you use/would use.

I use HEM. It is still mostly geared toward cash games, but it is pretty good for tournaments.

 

[Bedhead]

Think I'm gonna go with HEM. I liked the trial and how the program was laid out. And now I can buy it with poker profitz.

 

[Fjones]

So, I finally had a breakthrough day, Sort of. FTP Decided to allow me to win some all-ins for a change, resulting in two 1sts and two 2nds, for a total profit of $2867.00.

Meanwhile, I got another final 3 table finish in a 1000+ person tournament, my FOURTH of the week, and third that was actually final 2 tables. But again it was not meant to be. But the money from that put me over $3000 for the day, making it my second biggest day ever.

 

[Fjones]

By "The Casino," do you mean Anywhere in Atlantic City? These days there are casinos everywhere so I guess "the casino" could mean just about anything.

Did you see that Harrington has a book out about Cash games? His Tournament books are held in high regard so I am very curious about this.

 

[Fjones]

I have probably tilted away 10 Gs from the utter boredom of cash games. I am probably profitable overall, but I am around 10 Gs under where I should be.

 

[stinkfoot]

my buddy finished 210-ish 2 years ago in the main event. won $54k, minus the 10k buy in for a total winnings of $44k.

the sad thing is he was top ten in chips overall at the start of his final day.

 

[Max Power]

whur is everyone?!

Friend just got done playing day 2a in the WSOP Main Event. Ended the day with 138,000 in chips! Nice, healthy stack. Day 2b starts tomorrow, then day 2a and 2b will combine thursday and play again!

EXCITINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

first is 8.5~ millionish

It's a 7k field; the main event is a marathon not a sprint.

Don't start thinking about first place just yet.

 

[alasdairm]

i just found out that a guy i work with in tahoe in the winter won a pokerstars satellite seat at the main event. he's through to day 2 but short stacked due to trip kings being cracked twice late on day one.

alasdair

 

[ostrich]

Nguboi, there's a bunch of forum threads & articles out there about the current situation. Just google the words "poker monies freeze PPA." I know that Wells Fargo was one of the banks that the gov. targeted. They froze the accounts of US banks that handle transactions for stars, FT, etc.

Fjones' rant is funny, especially #1 'cuz I'm in the middle of 2 SnGs when I open this page and I had just gotten it in w/ AK against AJ and doubled up. Board was A245T. Guy in chat goes "wow, I folded 32." Then I go on to read the rant...

Bad players who accumulate chips by limping and getting lucky puts me on life tilt, especially when they make the money. Then they put in ridiculous overbets, like they don't want a call, and I stack off w/ middle pair. He's not getting a call unless he's crushed, I don't know maybe he had a seizure at the time and misclicked. Maximize equity, extract value, lol wut? 8) I don't think the level of thinking at micro SnGs is particularly insane either...

LoL, I must thank you for this post, I tried that ridiculous overbet like I don't want a call... he called with JJ, flop was 2 6 K i had AK, I wanted to see whether people really do stack off with middish pockets (i thought he was around 88-TT, not JJ).

This was a cash game, and yeah, really wasn't my best moment, but i just had to try it. I did win $10 though, poor bloke.

EDIT: the overbet was after the flop, not preflop, pot was around $4.50

 

[Fjones]

I am a winning player and I stack off there sometimes.

It is really annoying. I raise, someone flat calls, I have JJ, flop is K 7 3, the guy open ships. WHAT THE FUCK. I call that every time. Soemtimes I look really stupid when I do. Thel ast guy who did it had AK. Who does that with AK? Why risk inducing a fold?

 

[ostrich]

it was an experiment, not an actual style to be honest.

and it was a low level cash game, not a $75 sit n go ;-)

i know this is a serious thread, but sometimes i do play poker for fun..

 

[Bedhead]

Finally passed 600 FPPs. SHIPPPPP the pokerstars hat!

Took a week off from poker being down in SC on vacation, but it feels good to be playing again.

Anyone notice that a lot of good players are going deep in the WSOP ME? I'm hoping Phil Ivey takes it down.

 

[Bedhead]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.40 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t200)
MP2 (t1885)
CO (t1080)
Button (t3180)
Hero (SB) (t3387)
BB (t2218)
UTG (t1550)

Hero's M: 45.16

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, 10

1 fold, MP1 bets t200 (All-In), 1 fold, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t175, 1 fold

Flop: (t650) 7

, Q

, 10

(3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, CO bets t880 (All-In), Hero calls t880

Turn: (t2410) 3

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2410) J

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2410

Results:
Hero had 10

, 10

(three of a kind, tens).
MP1 had A

, 5

(high card, Ace).
CO had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won t2410

So sick bro. The guy HANDED ME HIS STACK. And for what? There was NO SIDEPOT. I though this was slightly funny.