A serious thread about online poker

[Fjones]

I don't know if you're close enough to one, but if you have the opportunity i would highly, HIGHLY recommend playing in a B&M casino instead of online.

I played 'professionally' (i.e. i didn't have another source of income) for a year by taking trips to the B&M a few times per week. You can sit in with $200, double up and bounce for the day within 2 hours (sometimes less than one dealer change). Online is for...well online is not as enjoyable or lucrative i'll say. IMHO 'poker' is not when you are running 10 tables and 4 programs telling you how to play your cards. Even if you have a chance just to play in a local home game (of decent stakes) i think you'll greatly prefer it, and at least enjoy breaking up the monotony.

Good Luck!

Also, I don't run any programs telling me how to play my cards.

 

[Fjones]

Wow !!!

So, I am mired in a miserable slump, having cashed once in 35 games, losing every hand, ace on every flop, no C-bets work, push PP into better PP, people make one card straights an flushes, I cannot make a hand, etc. etc. etc.

And then..... In my final game of the session, this happens: My M is down to TWO (!??) after losing a rough hand to a one card straight. At the table is a Red Pro. At the other table (There were 11 left at 2 tables; 90 people started) is one of the top online sng players with a big stack. 270,000 chips are in play.

$48 + $4 KO Sit 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em

Seat 2: UTG + 1 (13,715)
Seat 3: UTG + 2 (44,683)
Seat 4: Button (Red Pro) (14,026)
Seat 5: Small Blind (13,981)
Seat 7: Big Blind (10,022)
Seat 9: FJones (5,400)

All ante 150
Small Blind posts the small blind of 600
Big Blind posts the big blind of 1,200
The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FJones [Qs 8h]
FJones raises to 5,250, and is all in
UTG + 1 folds
UTG + 2 folds
Button (Red Pro) has 15 seconds left to act
Button (Red Pro) raises to 13,876, and is all in
Small Blind folds
Big Blind folds
Button (Red Pro) shows [Ad Jc]
FJones shows [Qs 8h]
Uncalled bet of 8,626 returned to Button (Red Pro)

*** FLOP *** [Qh 7h 6c]
*** TURN *** [Qh 7h 6c] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 7h 6c Jd] [4h]
Button (Red Pro) shows a pair of Jacks
FJones shows a pair of Queens
FJones wins the pot (13,200) with a pair of Queens


I go on to make the final 6. I have yet to make a single KO. I am short stacked.

I then proceed to take out 4 of the remaining 5 players, including the red pro ($48 bounty), giving me $88 in bounties and $1100 for the win, for a nifty profit of $1188 for the tournament!

This should solidify me as a 99 percentile player on OPR for the 3rd straight year.

 

[uTranceMe]

Hey guys nice thread, very informative. I play a bit on full tilt and partypoker. Not to the extent you guys play, more just for fun. Have a quetion about people that multi - table. If you are playing up to 16 tables at a time would it be a fair assumption to say that all your playing is your hole cards and your position ? I dont see how strategy, tells etc could come into play when playing so many tables at once.

See you at the tables sometime. My nick is rookieinoz75.

 

[Bedhead]

FUCK POKER

Home from college on winter break, started grinding again, and I must say I've just been getting boned at the worst possible moments over the last couple days.

 

[Fjones]

I will respomd to tjhis stuff tomorrow. I asm seeingdoble,. Jappy holidauys!

 

[Bedhead]

This is basically how my SnGs have been ending. Great spot to double up, CL and in good shape to place 1st, and then my hopes and dreams are crushed. Villains were spewy. Ranges pretty wide. Bend me over more plz.

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (3 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t7568 )
Hero (BB) (t3270)
Button (t2662)

Hero's M: 10.90

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

Button bets t600, SB raises t7468 (All-In), Hero calls t3070 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t7140) 8

, A

, 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t7140) J

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t7140) 10

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t7140

Results:
SB had J

, J

(three of a kind, Jacks).
Hero had K

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won t7140

Not meaning to complain about beats, it's just tough when it happens again and again.

 

[Fjones]

This is basically how my SnGs have been ending. Great spot to double up, CL and in good shape to place 1st, and then my hopes and dreams are crushed. Villains were spewy. Ranges pretty wide. Bend me over more plz.

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (3 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t7568 )
Hero (BB) (t3270)
Button (t2662)

Hero's M: 10.90

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

Button bets t600, SB raises t7468 (All-In), Hero calls t3070 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (t7140) 8

, A

, 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t7140) J

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t7140) 10

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t7140

Results:
SB had J

, J

(three of a kind, Jacks).
Hero had K

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won t7140

Not meaning to complain about beats, it's just tough when it happens again and again.

Well.... you are going to lose AKs to JJ 53% of the time..... Don't sweat it.

 

[uTranceMe]

Just some random hands


#Game No : 8745625508
***** Hand History for Game 8745625508 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $9 USD Buy-in Trny: 49231225 Level: 1 Blinds(20/40) - Sunday, December 27, 14:16:05 EST 2009
Table $6K Gtd (1819685) Table #43 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: DG2186 ( 2,520 )
Seat 1: Deemee60 ( 3,160 )
Seat 9: Eraser3232 ( 3,340 )
Seat 6: Jannis07 ( 2,325 )
Seat 7: Kingclancy5 ( 2,900 )
Seat 3: RoyalStef ( 2,960 )
Seat 5: ozzie1902 ( 3,400 )
Seat 8: rookieinoz75 ( 2,940 )
Seat 4: shug5 ( 3,455 )
Trny: 49231225 Level: 1
Blinds(20/40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rookieinoz75 [ Ah Ad ]
RoyalStef folds
shug5 folds
ozzie1902 raises [200]
Jannis07 folds
Kingclancy5 folds
rookieinoz75 raises [360]
Eraser3232 folds
Deemee60 folds
DG2186 folds
ozzie1902 calls [160]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 7h, Qc ]
ozzie1902 bets [240]
rookieinoz75 calls [240]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
ozzie1902 bets [520]
rookieinoz75 calls [520]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
ozzie1902 is all-In [2,280]
rookieinoz75 is all-In [1,820]
ozzie1902 shows [ Kh, Qh ]a pair of Queens.
rookieinoz75 shows [ Ah, Ad ]a pair of Aces.
ozzie1902 wins 460 chips from the side pot 1 with a pair of Queens.
rookieinoz75 wins 5,940 chips from the main pot with a pair of Aces.
Game #8745631378 starts

#Game No : 8745660626
***** Hand History for Game 8745660626 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $9 USD Buy-in Trny: 49231225 Level: 2 Blinds(30/60) - Sunday, December 27, 14:26:51 EST 2009
Table $6K Gtd (1819685) Table #56 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: BlackFever7 ( 2,820 )
Seat 4: SandyD1222 ( 2,975 )
Seat 6: THWEBER ( 1,970 )
Seat 10: b1gface ( 2,740 )
Seat 8: cesidi ( 1,200 )
Seat 7: lefacu ( 8,000 )
Seat 1: michom15 ( 5,380 )
Seat 9: pacman2467 ( 3,580 )
Seat 5: pups2010 ( 6,355 )
Seat 3: rookieinoz75 ( 4,740 )
Trny: 49231225 Level: 2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rookieinoz75 [ Ac Jd ]
rookieinoz75 calls [60]
SandyD1222 calls [60]
pups2010 folds
THWEBER folds
lefacu folds
cesidi calls [60]
pacman2467 folds
b1gface calls [60]
michom15 calls [30]
BlackFever7 checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Td, 5h ]
michom15 checks
BlackFever7 checks
rookieinoz75 bets [180]
SandyD1222 calls [180]
cesidi folds
b1gface folds
michom15 folds
BlackFever7 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
rookieinoz75 checks
SandyD1222 bets [300]
rookieinoz75 calls [300]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
rookieinoz75 checks
SandyD1222 checks
rookieinoz75 shows [ Ac, Jd ]a pair of Aces.
SandyD1222 shows [ 4s, As ]two pairs, Aces and Fours.
SandyD1222 wins 1,320 chips from the main pot with two pairs, Aces and Fours.
Game #8745666102 starts.

#Game No : 8745696762
***** Hand History for Game 8745696762 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $9 USD Buy-in Trny: 49231225 Level: 3 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, December 27, 14:37:56 EST 2009
Table $6K Gtd (1819685) Table #56 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: BlackFever7 ( 4,836 )
Seat 4: SandyD1222 ( 4,185 )
Seat 6: THWEBER ( 1,185 )
Seat 10: b1gface ( 2,430 )
Seat 8: cesidi ( 670 )
Seat 7: lefacu ( 8,180 )
Seat 1: michom15 ( 5,320 )
Seat 9: pacman2467 ( 3,280 )
Seat 5: pups2010 ( 5,564 )
Seat 3: rookieinoz75 ( 4,110 )
Trny: 49231225 Level: 3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rookieinoz75 [ Ac Jc ]
michom15 folds
BlackFever7 folds
rookieinoz75 raises [400]
SandyD1222 raises [700]
pups2010 folds
THWEBER folds
lefacu calls [700]
cesidi folds
pacman2467 folds
b1gface folds
rookieinoz75 calls [300]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Kh, Qc ]
rookieinoz75 is all-In [3,410]
SandyD1222 folds
lefacu calls [3,410]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
rookieinoz75 shows [ Ac, Jc ]high card Ace.
lefacu shows [ Ts, Qs ]a pair of Queens.
lefacu wins 9,070 chips from the main pot with a pair of Queens.
Player rookieinoz75 finished in 606.

 

[Bedhead]

The hand played like this. I had been pretty aggro, actually 3 betting quite a few people preflop, when a hand happened agaisnt the other aggro person at the table.
dude raised UTG +2 and I re-raised with about 190,000$ chips with Jh9h, to like 2.8x his bet to 28,888. He called.

The flop was Js 7h 2h. He lead out small, min bet of 4K plus 2 so 6K and i re raised to 33333, he called. Turn was the 3 of Hearts, and he opened shoved to put me all in and I snapp called. That pos showed Ah9d and fucking spiked the heart on the river . Got paid next to nothing, but first was 3,200 and I felt like it was the best I had played in an online tourny in months.

Man, that really sucks. Maybe he was warranted in calling a 3-bet w/ A9o because you had been actively 3-betting people, but I don't like his play. To put myself in his shoes, I mean, your OOP w/ ace/rag. Even if you hit an ace you could be easily dominated. And what do you do if you miss the flop? C-bet (like he did), but what if villain floats? What do you do on the turn? I guess jamming when the 3rd heart fell wasn't a bad play, but if it doesn't come do you just check/fold?

Seems to me it would've been easier for the guy to just fold to the 3-bet - to avoid getting into a pickle. Maybe he got fed up with your aggressiveness or had a good read on your 3-bet range?

 

[uTranceMe]

That was on PartyPoker. Been playing about 18months. Biggest win was 2nd in a $120 $25000 gauratee k.o tournament on full tilt for $5100, I think it was a fluke though because haven't had much luck since. Like to play tournaments the same reason everyone does I guess, small but in potentially big reward but also dont mind some sng's.

 

[uTranceMe]

Heading down to Crown Casino to watch some Aussie Millions satellites. Theres a $65 satellite on at 4o'clock today that was thinking of entering, dont like my chances but might be fun anyway. Have done most of my playing on - line so might be a chance to get some 'live' experience.

 

[Bedhead]

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t2035)
BB (t2860)
UTG (t2240)
MP (t4095)
Button (t2270)

Hero's M: 6.78

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 10

UTG bets t600, 2 folds, Hero raises t1935 (All-In), BB calls t1835, 1 fold

Am I shoving too wide here? What do you guys think? No reads really...

 

[Fjones]

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t2035)
BB (t2860)
UTG (t2240)
MP (t4095)
Button (t2270)

Hero's M: 6.78

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 10

UTG bets t600, 2 folds, Hero raises t1935 (All-In), BB calls t1835, 1 fold

Am I shoving too wide here? What do you guys think? No reads really...

This is not a good shove. What are you ahread of? His range has you crushed. Just fold and waitfor a better spot. You have almost no fold equity. I would say utg is calling close to 100% of the time, and heh as you crushed most of those times.

 

[uTranceMe]

Man Ive read a lot of this thread... Just do what they do...


:0

 

[Fjones]

Uhhhh..soo.. My other friend (THE REALLY GOOD ONE) went out of town for a month to Argentina and just got back. He just started playing again this weekend from vacation. He won a 109$ tourny for 36,580$ today. Please, poker gods, anyone, anything let me run as good as my friends have this year?

In other news. My friend that has a full sharkscope account looked up my profile and it said that I profited 1898$ playing sngs last year. I made about 2000 playing 2$ 180s, and won that 3$ rebuy 180 for 590. I lost alot playing bigger 180s and at one point during last year I played 10 6 max sngs for about 2 months and DONS for about 3 months.

So, for this year, I am going to stick with the 180s, as that was my main money maker last year. !

Your friends consistently make it very deep and get top 3 finishes. There are very subtle things they do better than I do, which is why I am a grinder making $25 or $30 an hour, whereas they make serious bank. It is very difficult to figure out exactly what I am doing wrong. I recommend putting in some serious study time with those guys and watch them play entire tournaments.

 

[Phy]

Hi, happy to see a nice poker thread down here.

I'm playing STT 5-max on IPN and MTT SH < $10 on PokerStars.

Cheers.

 

[Cevain]

I've been reading this topic for a while, it's quite amusing . Poker is such a fascinating game.
Unfortunately I'm not really a gifted player. Been playing some sng's on FT with a free 50$ bankroll. Grinding it up till 220$, went back down to 130, tilted a little, played a 50$ sng, won it (lol my biggest win ever, the rush was really amazing :D). Lost alot of it again, now stuck somewhere around 300 for eternity.

I bought the harringtons on holdem for stt a while back. I think that improved my game somewhat...But all in all I'm not really a winning player. Not anything to get excited about anyway. I can keep playing poker without going broke but thats about it ..
I keep having swing up and down around the same amount of money (well at least I have a hobby thats costless )

But anyway I'm going to try and change that; I'm thinking of an account at deucescracked or bluefirepoker to try and improve my game. I heard some of those pokertraining sites really increase your skills ALOT. I hope so cause I'm paying for it... Any of you guys got experience with sites like that?

 

[Fjones]

Eh, poker is easy sometimes

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t1500)
Button (t1440)
Hero (SB) (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1580)
MP3 (t1500)

Hero's M: 49.33

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, A

UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 calls t20, MP3 bets t60, CO calls t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 4 folds, CO calls t140

Flop: (t520) 7

, 3

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets t375, CO calls t375

Turn: (t1270) A

(2 players)
Hero bets t300, CO calls t300

River: (t1870) A

(2 players)
Hero bets t605 (All-In), CO calls t605

Total pot: t3080

Hmm, it cut off the ending. he had 77

get out of here... did this really happen !?

 

[Fjones]

crazy stuff. You're joking about check folding the flop of course, right?

 

[Cevain]

crazy stuff. You're joking about check folding the flop of course, right?

I was wondering the same thing...