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I'm unsure which forum this should go in but I thought here seemed best. Move it over if need be.

I have been going clubbing a lot more recently since my local club is no longer once monthly, and is now on every two weeks. I usually take about 3 - 4 pills every time I go clubbing.

I realise that I am going to start building up a tolerance to MDMA even quicker now and I don't want to build it up too much

Not going clubbing is not an option; the line ups are all amazing and I couldn't possibly miss the majority of them. Neither is going clubbing straight because basically I think being sober in a clubbing enviroment is quite shit. I think that drinking alcohol is even worse as alcohol tends to make music sound a bit flat for me and I don't rate it much anyway. Same for smoking skunk/hash because I will spend most of the night sitting down. I could do coke/speed but want something a little more.

Could anybody reccomend some decent substances which I could be on the look out for to use when clubbing? Even if they are not easily attainable I would like to hear about them so that I can look into them and wait for an opportunity to arrise.

I was thinking that maybe there are some research chemicals or less well known drugs which may be of use in such an enviroment?

I want something that isn't nescesarily the same in effects to MDMA, but which you could take for the same reasons.

For example, the reason I do MDMA when clubbing is for the stimulant effect and the way that the music and dancing to music is amazing.

Obviously I love the MDMA high/loved up feelings too but they are not the reasons I take MDMA in a clubbing enviroment.

I want something that can replace, not recreate those reasons why I love MDMA for clubbing.

Any input appreciated. cheers.
 
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It depends how esoteric you want to get, I guess... some people would go speed/alcohol, though that's not the healthiest of combos... (then again, what drug combo is?). Psychedelics enhance music appreciation but probably aren't what you're looking for in a clubbing environment.

Unfortunately there isn't really a true MDMA alternative, or it would be rather popular. 2C-B or 2C-I may prove useful, though harder to obtain, and I'm somewhat cautious about suggesting 2C-I in that it seems to produce HPPD rather frequently in users =\

Do you really have to go every two weeks? Why isn't missing one week an option? It's not like the DJs are going somewhere; there will always be more parties!

When it comes down to it, there's three (possibly four) broad classes of drugs... stimulants, depressants, psychedelics, and (maybe) entheogens/entactogens... You'll have a hard time finding something that matches MDMA.
 
VelocideX said:
It depends how esoteric you want to get, I guess... some people would go speed/alcohol, though that's not the healthiest of combos... (then again, what drug combo is?). Psychedelics enhance music appreciation but probably aren't what you're looking for in a clubbing environment.

Unfortunately there isn't really a true MDMA alternative, or it would be rather popular. 2C-B or 2C-I may prove useful, though harder to obtain, and I'm somewhat cautious about suggesting 2C-I in that it seems to produce HPPD rather frequently in users =\

Do you really have to go every two weeks? Why isn't missing one week an option? It's not like the DJs are going somewhere; there will always be more parties!

When it comes down to it, there's three (possibly four) broad classes of drugs... stimulants, depressants, psychedelics, and (maybe) entheogens/entactogens... You'll have a hard time finding something that matches MDMA.
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There has to be some kind of psychedelic out there which could be used in a clubbing enviroment? MDMA/MDA are psychedelics and are great for clubbing. Likewise I know of many people who have used 2C-I and 2C-B and had great times. I have also saw people dicuss substances on these forums which seemed to fit the bill for me.

Oh and yes I have to go every two weeks. ;) Some of the line ups have been amazing recently and there is so much good music on there at the moment. I love going clubbing and once a month isn't really enough.
 
hah thats easy just find a hookup for some ketamine and go nuts. snort small bumps of it throughout the night. and i mean SMALL, if you have too much then youll be tripping your balls off and probably lying on the floor like a vegetable.

i personally find that i am more energetic/euphoric on a little bit of K than from toking up a whole point of meth. your body goes numb so when you move, it feels like your driving a machine or controlling a puppet, lol. because you cant feel your body you can jump around like a maniac for hours, and youll feel well and truly brainfucked which is good too :)

ket has a bad rep where i live for some reason... pity cos it really goes off i think, great in combo with E's too (so i hear, never actually kitty flipped)
 
The only thing I'd suggest is speed which will give you everything mdma does except for the loved up feeling. But it's even worse for you than mdma.

Umm, if you're not prepared to go sober than I think you're just using this going out to go get fucked up, which isn't a good thing. Go sober or drink a few times and then you can moderate your E usage.

If you're taking 3-4 pills a night (WOW) thats's fukn heaps and I'd seriously be considering cutting down and actually going out sober or drinking. Again, I don't know how strong these pils are.

Neither is going clubbing straight because basically I think being sober in a clubbing enviroment is quite shit.
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You love clubbing but say it's shit without the xtc, I just don't get it. I've gone out sober after a massive binge and just dancing to the crazy tracks and being around my friends that were rolling at the time, its like it wore off on me and I was on e as well. I felt great. The only drawback is getting tired quicker and not staying up all night. But atleast I got to sleep easier.
 
I would like to know this too.. as I don't go clubbing twice a month but usally 4 times, up to 8 times but that doesn't occur often..
Most of the times I use MDMA.. otherwise alcohol and that sux...
Maybe some LSA combined with ephies or speed or caffeïne.. I mean the body rushes are they're except the energy!
 
Shrooms could be an alternative.

I think one would have to be quite experienced with shrooms for them to be an alternative. I have shroomed three times, all at home. The third time I decided to go for a walk at night, and it was a bit too intense.
 
mushrooms for clubbing MDMA users? i don't think so..


Tranced, i have seen hundreds of people like you in this forum - please learn to have fun at the club without drugs. you're heading for a massive trainwreck, because you have to roll every time someone you want to see visits your club - see where that's going?

Oh and yes I have to go every two weeks. Some of the line ups have been amazing recently and there is so much good music on there at the moment. I love going clubbing and once a month isn't really enough.
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that doesn't matter, because rolling twice a month is too much already. i know that thousands of people are doing it, but they're fucking themselves up. all of them.

i also think you shouldn't say 'i love clubbing', because what you love is being under the influence of MDMA in a club environment - that's a big difference and only sheds a bad light on clubbing itself, because you should not need drugs to enjoy a DJ (you say you have to see them because they are so good, but why can't you enjoy them without MDMA then? can't be that good ;))

i know how it feels when you know how it could be with MDMA (when you're sober), but that's something you just have to overcome (if you don't want to fry yourself, which you are currently doing)

another problem can usually be seen in the people you hang with.. when someone is smart enough to realize he's mashing his brain, his friends probably aren't.. as he likes to go out with them and they always much pills, he can't get away from it.. classical situation, that's how many kids destroy their lives 8)


i think you shouldn't be asking for an alternative, i think you should just stop rolling so much and also take a small break. i'm thinking like half a year or so, and YES that is a small break when we're talking about MDMA. i hate it when people think they can reverse all previous damage and get their tolerance to 0 by skipping one or two weekends of ecstasy abuse 8(


I realise that I am going to start building up a tolerance to MDMA even quicker now and I don't want to build it up too much
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again, this is the wrong approach.. when you develop a tolerance, your body isn't trying to tell you "do more of these drugs!" or "do some other drugs!" - what you shouldn't want is the damage resulting from MDMA use, so please stop rolling so much.
 
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DeSpise said:
hah thats easy just find a hookup for some ketamine and go nuts. snort small bumps of it throughout the night. and i mean SMALL, if you have too much then youll be tripping your balls off and probably lying on the floor like a vegetable.

i personally find that i am more energetic/euphoric on a little bit of K than from toking up a whole point of meth. your body goes numb so when you move, it feels like your driving a machine or controlling a puppet, lol. because you cant feel your body you can jump around like a maniac for hours, and youll feel well and truly brainfucked which is good too :)

ket has a bad rep where i live for some reason... pity cos it really goes off i think, great in combo with E's too (so i hear, never actually kitty flipped)
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No can do. I don't rate ket much anyway and it makes music sound of very low quality. It seems to lose certain layers.
 
infinity said:
i also think you shouldn't say 'i love clubbing', because what you love is being under the influence of MDMA in a club environment - that's a big difference and only sheds a bad light on clubbing itself, because you should not need drugs to enjoy a DJ (you say you have to see them because they are so good, but why can't you enjoy them without MDMA then? can't be that good ;))
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I knew someone was going to throw that one at me. ;)

I do love clubbing but the fact of the matter is, it's rather shit while sober. When I first got into dance music it used to sound amazing while I was sober. I'd get rushes up my back and feel really good while listening to it.

However, I have sadly built up a tolerance to sober dance music and felt the need to take a break from it. For this reason I started pills.

They way you're headed, with all this "sober clubbing" malarky I'd highly suggest you take a break. The music loses some magic. ;)

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again, this is the wrong approach.. when you develop a tolerance, your body isn't trying to tell you "do more of these drugs!" or "do some other drugs!" - what you shouldn't want is the damage resulting from MDMA use, so please stop rolling so much.
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I haven't developed much of a tolerance at all. I've only been clubbing again since March now it's just that I've noticed it isn't quite as good. To be honest I think it's because I thought it was better than it was those first few times.

I can assure you that my body isn't telling me to take that break 'yet'. I don't get comedowns, usually a nice afterglow and have felt no negative effects arrise from the use of this drug so far.

I know that they will come and I am bound to build up tolerance soon, but I don't need to take such a drastic break quite yet although I fully agree I need to cut down on the amount I am taking.

Hence the need for new drugs. ;)
 
Tranced said:
Oh and yes I have to go every two weeks. ;) Some of the line ups have been amazing recently and there is so much good music on there at the moment. I love going clubbing and once a month isn't really enough.
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You do realise that many would consider a long period of taking psychedelics every other week (especially MDMA, and even moreso the research chemicals) to be excessive and not giving your brain a chance to recover?

Be very careful with 2C-I. If you don't know what HPPD is, go look it up. A *lot* of people on this board report HPPD from 2C-I use that doesn't even sound particularly excessive
 
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taking 3-4 pills a night (WOW)
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hahahaha that made me laugh. Over in the UK that is quite a small amount by most peoples standards. The pills have contained a rather medicore amount of MDMA recently althought if they were strong ones I would probably be doing about 3 a night.
 
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Top advice infinity. I've been clubbing sober many a time, and it holds a different attraction. A few vodka & red bulls and I'm good until about 3-4am. You don't have to take drugs! If you're getting over the music while sober, then take a break from it, don't try and force yourself to listen to it with drugs.

Hell I'm a DJ, and I live for my music... every now and then I get sick of it, and take a break. Come back a month or two later and its all good!

It's preferable, in my view, to take drugs to enhance a situation which you would normally enjoy than to essentially delude yourself into enjoying something you would otherwise not. (It does essentially amount to self-delusion). The former is more likely to be sustainable, and to be enjoyable, than the latter.

Why is clubbing sober shit? Perhaps because you tell yourself it is? The more you reenforce that negative attitude the more it will become gospel for you.
 
VelocideX said:
You do realise that many would consider a long period of taking psychedelics every other week (especially MDMA, and even moreso the research chemicals) to be excessive and not giving your brain a chance to recover?

Be very careful with 2C-I. If you don't know what HPPD is, go look it up. A *lot* of people on this board report HPPD from 2C-I use that doesn't even sound particularly excessive
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I understand what HPPD is and have read quite a bit into it.

I also understand that people consider what I do large amounts on the communities such as bluelight.

I understand the risks involved with MDMA, and this thread indicates that I am acknowledging my use will soon be heading into excession. However, I don't want to give up drugs completely and I'm hot in the pursuit of a replacement. I will deal with negative effects, should and when they arrise.
 
VelocideX said:
Top advice infinity. I've been clubbing sober many a time, and it holds a different attraction. A few vodka & red bulls and I'm good until about 3-4am. You don't have to take drugs! If you're getting over the music while sober, then take a break from it, don't try and force yourself to listen to it with drugs.

Hell I'm a DJ, and I live for my music... every now and then I get sick of it, and take a break. Come back a month or two later and its all good!

It's preferable, in my view, to take drugs to enhance a situation which you would normally enjoy than to essentially delude yourself into enjoying something you would otherwise not. (It does essentially amount to self-delusion). The former is more likely to be sustainable, and to be enjoyable, than the latter.

Why is clubbing sober shit? Perhaps because you tell yourself it is? The more you reenforce that negative attitude the more it will become gospel for you.
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To be honest that last paragraph is true. I have enjoyed clubbing sober it's just that I'd rather be drug fucked. I know that if I go sober I still love it, but at the same time I love it even more on MDMA.

From what I can gather, I get the impression that you two have clearly been in the same situation as me before.

I understand that what you are giving me is very good advice, and that yous know from experience I am going to eat my words one day, but at the moment I'm too careless and to intent on having a good time.

I've explained myself more than I wanted to now. ;)
 
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