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58 and trying to smoke heroin for first time

Hi, Welcome to the site!
I'm fairly new myself.

I understand pain, and relate. I have had surgeries on my c-spine due to some similar issues, which led me to oxy then onto smoking black tar for a good year. Due to the short acting duration of heroin, cost and just using ….to keep withdrawals at bay I couldn't keep it up, amongst other things… (pretty ugly).

Good for you keeping your tolerance down, this is not easy to do! :)
 
Aurelia said:
Thank you so much for answering, 10102. I noticed there are not that many replies to people's quests here. The same on a pain site we go to. It saddens me.

But I smoked about a little over a quarter of a gram and nothing happened. There's still about an eighth left and I'm going to have that too. . .

Well, not much happened. They say it should be noticeable in five minutes. Boy it tastes foul! Jeeze, no wonder people shoot it. Doesn't burn, though.

And the thread I read I can't remember where, where a guy was questioning another's claim that he was doing $1500.00 in a day, has me stymied. It's only $80.00 a gram for the black here in the southwest of the US. I'm totally in the dark about this, as I've just been on nothing but prescribed drugs for years. And our insurance and Medicare pay for almost all of it. I do know that my husband's Fentora is close to $12,000 for 150 tablets, a months worth. It's paid for, thank heaven.

I was taking 480 mgs of oxy back in the good old days before the DEA got so excited and then the next thing I know, I've got a month to go down to 150. I had no problem since I don't get addicted to things. All that happened was I hurt terribly again. But eventually I adjusted and now I keep my intake as low as I can stand to, and sometimes take a week off and titrate down to nothing, just to get my tolerance back down. But those are the times when I just stay in bed and try to sleep. My doc says it takes six months for it to be completely out of your system.

What's the difference between black and China white? Probably like pot, just different nuances.

Please tell me about Suboxone. Do you crave sweets like on oxy? Constipated? How's your memory? Are you really sensitive to things hitting you or little pains? Like when a friend bopped me on the arm jokingly, it hurt. Do you have to titrate off of oxy first before you start it? What side effects does it produce?

Thank you so much for writing. Write back quick!
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Hey there well there are a few differences with the two drugs China white is just a more refined heroin with a longer more complicated process to make it when compared to black tar. Black tar is generally made by drug dealers in mexico looking to make fast easy heroin. When conparing bags of powder heroin and BTH the Tar is generally stronger than the powdered heroin but it really depends. Although lots of powder heroin is cut really bad when it gets to the streets I myself have only found pretty crappy tar which is cut to shit with stuff such as coca cola syrup and is all sticky. I love China white I always got pretty pure white in large quantities but some people can get good tar depending on where they live and some people like the feel of tar more than powder.

Tar has more of a opium like feel if you've ever done that its hard to describe. What makes black tar specific as a type of heroin is not actually its heroin content, but rather the greater mixture of lesser acetylated morphine derivatives such as 6-MAM and 3-MAM. Acetylated molecules have been shown to cross the blood brain barrier faster. Without getting all technical acetylation helps a drug reach the brain more quickly, making the drug's effects more intense and increasing the effectiveness of a given dose. For example The acetyl group in acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) enhances its effectiveness the same goes for acetaminophen and street drugs like black tar heroin. But all in all BTH is really just a more crude less refined method of creating heroin. Its also a pain to work with, it ruins your veins, is hard on the lungs and needs to be broken down with citric acid before being injected.

Suboxone does make me constipated yes its one of the worst opiates for causing that bit I deal with it by taking polythene glycol (miralax, lax a day etc.) So I'm fine. I actually find it not to be as bad as when I do heroin/oxy/codeine. My memory is fine the pot i smoke only slows that down a bit but im stopping that and jave had no noticeable difference in memory for me with Suboxone. I'm not all that sensitive to pain no I find I was more so on oxy/heroin that stuff makes you a real wimp that's for sure everything hurts you. Suboxone helps my pain just enough to let me function though but its better than nothing.

You don't nessesarily have to taper the oxy first before starting but its a good idea because you would need a higher dose to hold you if you went straight from 480mgs oxy to Suboxone and large doses of Suboxone actually have the opposite effect instead of killing pain and getting you higher it actually starts to block itself from working in a way and will only keep you from being sick but no typical opiate effects will be felt. Less is more when it comes to suboxone when prescribed for pain its given in doses usually ranging from 0.2mgs-0.4mgs every 4-6 hours whereas opiate addicts getting it to get off heroin or to stabilise their life (Suboxone matinence) are usually given doses of 8-16mgs a taken once a day or sometimes split up in two doses. Suboxone can have most typical opiate side effects but generally its more agreeable with the body when compared to stronger full agonist opiates.

We are not really allowed to talk about prices here but all I will say is prices fluctuate dramatically depending on where you live due to factors such as how accessible the drug is, how easy it is to get to your area, how close you are to the borders, police presence , Etc. That's pretty cheap what your paying but I'm in Canada here a gram is at least triple what you say your paying if you go to the streets and buy a bag. I know people who have gotten up to a 7gram a day tolerance level that's in the thousands of dollars but these people usually sell drugs to afford habits such as these. I was selling large quantities of 70-80 percent pure heroin and cocaine to support my habit I was doing roughly 3.5-4 grams of heroin every day which would have cost the average person around here almost a grand if buying on the street plus average bags of heroin in north america are only 30-40 percent pure on average.
 
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Hi Prudent~

Ive been through all manner of physical therapy for my knees first then my shoulder, to no avail. I will be starting it again to strengthen the muscles in my back; I already know how to do that from working in health clubs, but they have the machines I need.

And any exercise I involve myself with is very painful and then after sitting for a while, as in driving home, when I stand up again, it's just astounding misery. I've been trying to walk, but it's been hotter than blazes here and I'm not a morning person. I did, however, recently experience a short episode of happiness, a feeling of organization, and motivation, all things I lack because of pain and depression. I attribute it to the short time that I was feeling good enough to walk three or four times a week. Alas, it went away because I've not been walking.

I can hear you asking about a swimming pool. That's out. I can't tolerate the painful shock of the water. I know there are places where the water is warm, but even getting in and out of the shower is a shock. This is caused by the oxycodone making me over-sensitive to just about any stimuli, but again, it's the only thing that works for the pain. I am just up the creek without a paddle.

I appreciate your concern, and am very happy you wrote. Thank you so much. I hope to hear from you more.

Oh and I'm on Cymbalta and Abilify for depression, and the Cymbalta is supposed to kill pain. It's kept the suicidal ideation at bay, but did nothing for the pain.

I watched a thing on Natl Geographic tv about stress. I believe stress is the biggest cause of my problems, besides the arthritis. My husband, you see, is going on eight years with terminal prostate cancer and it's getting worse. We didn't have life insurance when he was diagnosed, but he did everything he could to get it about two years ago. I'll have a little money when he goes, but I'll also have 24 years worth of detritus accumulated from a very wonderful marriage. I have no friends or family if I need help; I'm going to be on my own. As a health club owner, you'd be interested in that show. It was or is, on netflix and is called something like Stress: the silent killer. You and everybody out there who's reading this and is in pain and overwhelming depression really ought to watch it. You could offer your clients special courses in relaxation, something that eludes me.

Why are you on thus site, if I may ask?
 
Hello Eric~

Well, it depends on what is causing your pain. Anything you do towards a healthy lifestyle is going to make you feel better. If you are overweight, getting rid of the extra pounds takes a huge strain off you feet, and all the joints below your waist. Exercise sweats out a lot of the toxins in our systems that accumulate from everyday living: pollution, bad food, DRUGS. I'm sure PRUDENT can tell you more. As painful and awful as it is, exercise is terrifically good for you. Now, to just do it . . .

Thank you for writing, by the way, I neglected to thank you the first tine. What brings you here?
 
Well hi, Smoky!

So the heroin didn't work? When you smoked it did you get those good feelings everybody's always raving about? How much did you smoke in a night, or whatever? How much oxy do you take per day? I obviously didn't get enough heroin for the equivalent of four thirties a day. I want to try it one more time to see if I can feel that, but yeah, my insurance takes care of the oxy, whereas I have to pay for the heroin. Screw that. But to be able to lose this pain . . .

Thank you for writing! What's your situation now that brings you to this site?
 
Holy cow! 10102! You have been very helpful. I will probably do heroin once more to see about that high I hear about, but after that I can't afford it and I'm not going to sell it. We live in a town that has the highest heroin overdoses per capita in the Southwest. And the other day this man came to the door and said his car broke, could he use the phone. My husband asked where the car was. Oh, around the corner. Yeah, right. This guy was tattooed from his neck to his wrists with what I've been told are prison tattoos; all dark blue and sort of smudged, AND he was carrying a sheathed 8", I kid you not, straight knife on his belt. It was in the middle of the day and he could tell my husband is always home, being that he answered the door in his robe, and went off grumbling. Our house is the only nice one in the block and he thought he'd struck gold. So I got a new alarm system. And either that day or the next, our pump that goes to the acequia got stolen. These fuckers stop at nothing for a hit. So as you've all told me, it's a really awful lifestyle.

Thank you and write anytime!
 
Hi Aurelia - It worked (instantly) … and then it stopped working. If you know what I mean?

1-2 grams a day of black tar… and it was very strong, as I had other batches that worked but were not as potent. I didn't get a nod with prescribed meds (I was using the roxi 30 mgs insulfation/roa). The nods interfered with work and looking back for pain, Heroin wasn't the way to go, nor short acting opiates. For me anyways, long term.
Tolerance to both, especially the H, increased rapidly …. and was needed in the night and morning to function. Tolerance took longer for pills as they last longer.

Thank you for responding. I'm off all opiates now, I do have pain still, but am scheduling to receive some injections, see a cmt weekly and get acupuncture as much as possible. I've been taking SAM E it helps somewhat…

How are you doing now?
 
Smoky dear-
I just spent a great deal of good time writing you a post and it got lost. Said I wasn't logged in. Well why did it let me post if I wasn't logged in??? So I wrote to a mod and might get it back. I'll wait a little while to rewrite the whole damn thing. It keeps saying I'm not logged in, then when I log in, I'm not there. AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!! Does this happen a lot or am I cursed because I lack the Internet gene in my DNA that all young people have?

But I have a lot I want to tell you, so keep your eye here. (Strange concept)
 
Still don't get it, but that's normal for me and anything to do with computer science. I fixed the transmission linkage on my fathers truck with a piece of wire I found in the parking lot, but why I keep getting logged out is a big mystery.

And what are youuuuu doing? But we must stay on topic, so I'm going to get a bigger amount of heroin and try and see if I can't get that feeling everybody talks about. Then I'll quit because Medicare and Blue Cross don't pay for it. Maybe a gram, people say. I take 120 to 150 mg a day of oxy, so they say a gram ought to do the trick. What do you think?
 
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