MagickalKat777
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Its 100% illegal in the UK. It is a cathinone and the cathinone blanket ban covers this one too.
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RCs 4-MEC (4-Methylethcathinone) Megathread (v1)
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Best 4mmc replacement i have found is B2. It probably contains something illegal but it certainly does not smell like a cathinone and its pretty damn good. 250mg gelcapped and 5 hours later was still well out of it and no desire to reach for my stash of 4mmc.
4-mec looks like shards of ice and is being sold all over europe as 4mmc. Its very smooth but also very mild. You still get mildly horny on it but nowhere near as much as 4mmc or mdpervert. (pv).
At a tenner a g its still nice as a midweek high. Oh and you can sleep on it no problem. The total bunk posters were probably getting a cut version because if its pure its quite nice!
ymmv
4-mec looks like shards of ice and is being sold all over europe as 4mmc. Its very smooth but also very mild. You still get mildly horny on it but nowhere near as much as 4mmc or mdpervert. (pv).
At a tenner a g its still nice as a midweek high. Oh and you can sleep on it no problem. The total bunk posters were probably getting a cut version because if its pure its quite nice!
ymmv
Turns out what I got was 4-EMC after all.
And it was not worth it. More compulsive than Mephedrone, less euphoric, and more stimulating. Vasoconstriction was (for me, atleast) somewhat more pronounced. My hands turned blue after a full night of snorting small bumps (but totalling no more than 500mg), and after that I stayed away.
If you thought mephedrone was terrible, don't go here.
And it was not worth it. More compulsive than Mephedrone, less euphoric, and more stimulating. Vasoconstriction was (for me, atleast) somewhat more pronounced. My hands turned blue after a full night of snorting small bumps (but totalling no more than 500mg), and after that I stayed away.
If you thought mephedrone was terrible, don't go here.
VincentOnE
Bluelighter
4-mec
4-methylethylcathinone
Mephedrone Substitute
Legal Mephedrone
Seen it being sold on a UK vendor selling "Mephedrone" and "Legal Mephedrone"
Nothing on Erowid,
Only thing that pops up on google is this post, and vendors.
Interesting
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thizztoad420
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this shit is next level guys, straight up. i've been getting some unfortunately from a physical source for quite more money than i found i can get it. it is waaay better than molly, mephedrone, and other MDxxs, in that you do not experience a real come down with it the day after, you'll feel refreshed actually, though that does not mean you wont experience a crash with an urge to redose. i have been eating and sniffing this stuff for a bit now, and it seems that it really isn't that horrible for you through trials, and uh, lack of error honestly. yes, it doesn't last THAT long, but come on, it shouldn't, its great. it honestly feels like MDMA, except without a comedown, that is the downfall in this drug, i have never even cared for ecstasy or mdxx's, until i found this shit because honestly, its just too good to be true. i have done extensive research in the past couple of months, with a protege too, we ran through about near a half ounce of it in a week or so. but we stopped.
basically, in essence, its too good to be true. get it while its still available for such cheap prices and after trying this i dont even care to go back to MDMA.
its not physically addicting, and neither mentally, unless you have an addictive personality, its a bit like bad coke with wanting to redose, but you can cut yourself off eventually and the next days you dont fiend for it so there really isnt a negative.
bottom line? get this shit while you can, i dont care who you are, what you are, where you are.
it was sold to me under the moniker of shard molly, so just so you know... and its dirt cheap.
this is faaar superior to meph.
basically, in essence, its too good to be true. get it while its still available for such cheap prices and after trying this i dont even care to go back to MDMA.
its not physically addicting, and neither mentally, unless you have an addictive personality, its a bit like bad coke with wanting to redose, but you can cut yourself off eventually and the next days you dont fiend for it so there really isnt a negative.
bottom line? get this shit while you can, i dont care who you are, what you are, where you are.
it was sold to me under the moniker of shard molly, so just so you know... and its dirt cheap.
ooooh, its like super party mode, mephedrone is like too intense, this shit is like perfect, talkative, empathic, relaxed, mellowed, speedy, all at once but not overwhelmingly. way better than mephedrone imo, without a crash whatsover. my friends and i have done up to grams of this stuff without comedown, however on about roughly .25 of 4-MMC i experienced a heavy comedown and tweaking mode, and with a bad crash the next day.
this is faaar superior to meph.
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Scoobysnacks
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hey guys been a while
, i recieved some 4-mec and tonight thought i would try it, weighed out 105 mg at my brothers,took that and left rest there in case of fiending, i have work first thing, slit into 3 lines and snorted them 10 mins apart, burns a litttle but no drip as such, had my 3rd and last line just now, nice little buzz, music appreciation is nicely enhanced and i got a nice headspace, few scalp tingles and a nice buzz going on, not like meph as it not got that "here we go"feeling,not that fiendish , no urge to run up to my brothers and recieve the rest of the 4-mec. atm my conclusion at this dose railed is not bad at 105mg.
an hour or so after my last line, i just feel a bit bored, thankfully got no excess stim and after a spliff will probably be able to sleep, no euphoria or empathy at the dose i took , maybe one day i will take a bigger dose orally sometime, but in no rush to do so
, i recieved some 4-mec and tonight thought i would try it, weighed out 105 mg at my brothers,took that and left rest there in case of fiending, i have work first thing, slit into 3 lines and snorted them 10 mins apart, burns a litttle but no drip as such, had my 3rd and last line just now, nice little buzz, music appreciation is nicely enhanced and i got a nice headspace, few scalp tingles and a nice buzz going on, not like meph as it not got that "here we go"feeling,not that fiendish , no urge to run up to my brothers and recieve the rest of the 4-mec. atm my conclusion at this dose railed is not bad at 105mg.an hour or so after my last line, i just feel a bit bored, thankfully got no excess stim and after a spliff will probably be able to sleep, no euphoria or empathy at the dose i took , maybe one day i will take a bigger dose orally sometime, but in no rush to do so
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at least combined with bk-MDMA, 4-MEC is really euphoric. I almost couldn't believe it, actually
i'll have to see how it is by itself
I've concluded that the cathinones are only truly enjoyable when plugged (or shot, i'd guess. not my thing)
Have yet to plug 3-FMC, but 4-MEC and methylone are far superior plugged than taken orally. Even 4-MEC on its own produces an incredible rush at 100mg plugged.. a bit strong for me, almost feel sick/dizzy.. (haven't had 4-MMC, maybe similar)
use caution with this stuff. if you plug it, start fairly low, 40~50mg
tolerance builds fast and side effects increase rapidly from repeated/daily use
not one to use more than 2 nights in a row, IMHO.. and best not to redose more than 2-3 times in 24hrs. not good to redose more often than once every 2 hours imo
i'll have to see how it is by itself
I've concluded that the cathinones are only truly enjoyable when plugged (or shot, i'd guess. not my thing)
Have yet to plug 3-FMC, but 4-MEC and methylone are far superior plugged than taken orally. Even 4-MEC on its own produces an incredible rush at 100mg plugged.. a bit strong for me, almost feel sick/dizzy.. (haven't had 4-MMC, maybe similar)
use caution with this stuff. if you plug it, start fairly low, 40~50mg
tolerance builds fast and side effects increase rapidly from repeated/daily use
not one to use more than 2 nights in a row, IMHO.. and best not to redose more than 2-3 times in 24hrs. not good to redose more often than once every 2 hours imo
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Since I couldn't find any information about 4mec being vaporized I tried it.
I weighted 50mg and added the same volume of Sodium bicarbonate and water. It dried out in 2-3 minutes.
I took the first hit on tin foil and I instantly had to puke. It tastes really bad too.
Also, I must say that the comedown (when snorted) was not even comparable to a 4mmc comedown. I couldn't sleep for 10 hours after snorting 150mg. And it took me two days to regain my appetite.
EDIT: I received information from the supplier that this 4mec batch as been contaminated with another compound. Please be careful if your powder is slightly tan. I will keep you informed once the lab analysis is done by the company.
I weighted 50mg and added the same volume of Sodium bicarbonate and water. It dried out in 2-3 minutes.
I took the first hit on tin foil and I instantly had to puke. It tastes really bad too.
Also, I must say that the comedown (when snorted) was not even comparable to a 4mmc comedown. I couldn't sleep for 10 hours after snorting 150mg. And it took me two days to regain my appetite.
EDIT: I received information from the supplier that this 4mec batch as been contaminated with another compound. Please be careful if your powder is slightly tan. I will keep you informed once the lab analysis is done by the company.
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rickolasnice
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4-MEC will make you nauseous at higher doses.. (I'd say above 100mg in a single dose)
It's OK.. nothing special..
It's OK.. nothing special..
Lady Codone
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After reading everything I could find on 4-mec, I'm about 90% sure my meph has been cut heavily with it for about 2 months now.
The first few times I did mephedrone were AWESOME. Slowly, many of the positive effects and unique side effects (tongue chewing, shortness of breath) started to disappear despite an increasing habit. Keep in mind I'd only used one vendor to this point. The meph side effects were replaced by a less intense high and 2-3 days of godawful comedown symptoms afterward. I was too fatigued to move, would eat 5 boxes of Hot Pockets in a day (really) and cried at the drop of a hat. Definitely NOT what I felt with meph in the beginning, but I chalked it up to tolerance/serotonin depletion.
Fastforward to last week when I bought from a different seller--the difference was like night and day! All the old effects came rushing back, making it clear that I'd been scammed in a major way. Other customers said they suspected it was being cut as well, though they didn't mention 4-mec.
Everything I've seen about this new "legal mephedrone" describes my symptoms exactly:
*Milder, less euphoric high than mephedrone
*Extremely dysphoric after effects
*Binge eating on the comedown
*Severe fatigue afterward (2-3 days of sleep)
I assumed the "meph" was good because it was in the form of clear shards that smelled like cat pee...WRONG. Meph users need to be aware of this, as it will likely become more common as the drug is banned in more places.
The first few times I did mephedrone were AWESOME. Slowly, many of the positive effects and unique side effects (tongue chewing, shortness of breath) started to disappear despite an increasing habit. Keep in mind I'd only used one vendor to this point. The meph side effects were replaced by a less intense high and 2-3 days of godawful comedown symptoms afterward. I was too fatigued to move, would eat 5 boxes of Hot Pockets in a day (really) and cried at the drop of a hat. Definitely NOT what I felt with meph in the beginning, but I chalked it up to tolerance/serotonin depletion.
Fastforward to last week when I bought from a different seller--the difference was like night and day! All the old effects came rushing back, making it clear that I'd been scammed in a major way. Other customers said they suspected it was being cut as well, though they didn't mention 4-mec.
Everything I've seen about this new "legal mephedrone" describes my symptoms exactly:
*Milder, less euphoric high than mephedrone
*Extremely dysphoric after effects
*Binge eating on the comedown
*Severe fatigue afterward (2-3 days of sleep)
I assumed the "meph" was good because it was in the form of clear shards that smelled like cat pee...WRONG. Meph users need to be aware of this, as it will likely become more common as the drug is banned in more places.
stumblestoprepeat
Bluelighter
not a fan of this one. ~170mg orally produced a VERY weak meph-like effect. some dysphoria present, physical effects seem more..evident, ie. vasoconstriction, excessive sweating, increased heart rate. Was crashing pretty nicely after around 2 hours.
Idk, this one just feels more damaging to me than 4-mmc or 4-fmc. Could be because there aren't many positive aspects to speak of, so the negatives come out..
Idk, this one just feels more damaging to me than 4-mmc or 4-fmc. Could be because there aren't many positive aspects to speak of, so the negatives come out..
A circle of friends had been doing 4-MMC on the regular for quite some time. It was readily available and consistently available to us.
There was a several week break in the availability of 4-MMC due to the person with the contact information of the supplier having a mild mental breakdown and going on a two week meth bender...
When the supplier was contacted again, the quality of the 4-MMC was atrocious. 200mg insufflated had no real rush, made us feel awake and alert, but no euphoria, no mood elevation, and none of that 'droned out' disorientation common from high doses. (we think what was given to us in this instance was mdpv diluted heavily in another, inert powder as we discovered texture differences in the batch).
The same supplier contacted us regarding 4-MEC. It was acquired and tested out and found to be, at the very least, more tangibly effective and pleasant on the sinuses. It has a slight instant burn, more of a shock, that quickly disappears. Although the powder appears somewhat fluffy or sticky, it dissolves instantly and doesn't clog up like you would expect it to from appearance. There is not a ton of drip, obviously dependent on the amount done and it seems to allow the sinus' to rehydrate themselves quickly and effectively. Compared to most 4-MMC, especially the most recent batches, this is like candy...
Several of us did a rigorous experimentation over the course of 24 hours using 100mg bumps. It seemed to have a softer feel than 4-MMC. Where 4-MMC kinda felt like a can of Steel Reserve, this was more like a HoneyWeiss. It also, from the very beginning felt better. I mean that in the purely psychological sense. Without knowing hardly anything about it or what to expect, it just created a better, safer(mentally, no idea about toxicity), less sketchy mindset and overall mood. The only people who seemed to not care for it were those people who had been at the drone game longest (one in excess of 12 months of daily use). They found it to be weak and uninteresting and just 'not the same' as 4-MMC. These people switched back to the other batch of horrid drone and really didn't ever want to do the 4-MEC. I have a theory as to why, which I will explain later.
What solidified my opinion on 4-MEC being an altogether better chem than 4-MMC was when I tried it orally. I had hesitated on this because it did seem 'softer' than 4-MMC and I assumed that it would also have a softer feel when ingested.
WRONG.
Well, not so much wrong as surprised. I ate 300mg dissolved in Diet Coke (when eating drone, I would typically do 200-300 orally depending on quality, and then bump 100 to carry through until it hits) and was going to bump to get going but in getting bumps lined up for others I became distracted. Before I knew it I was out of my mind with euphoria. MY eyes were everywhere, I had a big ass grin on my face and I couldn't keep focused on one thing very long. I felt like I had eaten a couple of very strong hits of x. I was amazed. Even more so because I had been putting the stuff up my nose in 100mg shots every hour or so for a day and a half. I couldn't believe that it caused such a euphoria and altogether rolling vibe. I never got around to doing the starter line I had intended. I kept thinking about it (drone habit, is it time for another line yet?) but kept realizing I was still just as good and didn't need to do any more. That lasted for 3.5-4 hours.
As a note, in case some of you think that perhaps I had some MDMA and not MEC or some mixture, I can guarantee you that this is not the case. The amount we acquired would have been financially impossible if it were even a slight mix. The taste color and texture were not only significantly different than mdma, but consistent throughout. If there were MDMA, you would be able to see it amongst the fluffy structure of this stuff.
When I finally noticed a dissipation of the effects, I let it go a little and was surprised that it tapered nicely. It does not have the drop off of high doses of MMC. I decided to do a bump and with it I found myself right back into the euphoria and tactile 'rolled out' place I had been. I was able to maintain this effectively for a very long time. The comedown was easy, no tweaky, fiending, sketched out mode as I often found with MMC. There was energy but not speediness and it was relatively easily slept on. I didn't notice significant side effects such as vasoconstriction and the hot flashes that go along with MMC. It also didn't come with the delirious 'droned out' mental state that goes along with higher doses. It felt happy, enjoyable, and good. It didn't leave me feeling sketchy and fiendy, a sensation that has accompanied MMC from the very beginning.
My experience was not the only one. I recommended another person in our party try it orally. Her reaction was exactly the same, and under the same dose and length of use leading up to it. All aspects of my experience were shared by her up to and including the conclusion that it just feels better in that psychological sense.
If I had to take a guess at it based on the sensations and emotions this made me feel and left me with afterwards, I would say 4-MEC is probably like a reverse 4-MMC. They both act on nor-epinephrine, but MMC triggers dopamine in high amounts and little serotonin, MEC gives you little dopamine and high amounts of serotonin. This would account for a number of things that I noticed to be different in the experience. The obvious would be the euphoria of MEC compared to MMC. The second, and arguably most relevant to this thread would be the disinterest in MEC by several HEAVY and long term MMC users. I would guess MEC is boring to them, or 'just not the same' because they are not being rewarded by a dopamine rush. I can't fathom why anyone would have reverted back to the crappy drone we had gotten after trying this, until I think about it from a chemical dependence/tolerance standpoint.
All in all, MEC seems pretty fantastic... if you're not trying to replace MMC or a coke habit... It has a definitively more 'lovey' MDMA type feel, to the point that if given MEC as MDMA in an oral dose, I would likely not be able to notice the difference. And that is something that I have been wanting to say for a long time, lol. Life goal #369 completed.
Put it this way, I haven't really ever met a coke head who disliked MMC and the re-dose nature of it. Most of the people who prefer MDMA dislike MMC until given an opportunity to eat it leading to that 'rolling' feeling, but are still left fiending and disappointed in the duration. MEC taken orally is extremely powerful to those people who prefer a serotonin high over a dopamine rush.
The only thing left to cover is the after effects, which seem to be mild. Body exhaustion that is likely somewhat overstated because of the type of sleep schedule present over the two weeks prior (a few days on, one off...). There seems to be no hangover depression or afterglow. It doesn't 'feel' like it was significantly damaging as MDMA and MMC do sometimes. And the psychological thought process is one of looking back fondly on the experience and wanting to try it again. MMC never made me look back at the experience fondly, it was fun but it always left me feeling a little sketchy and dirty. It also seemed to draw the sketchy people out of the woodwork. I don't get that feeling with MEC and I don't fear seeing the sketchy people coming around because of it. That is possibly the best part of it in comparison to MMC for me personally. I don't feel like I am doing something dirty or grimy. I don't feel like a fiend.
Sorry for the novel. Just seems to me that people are looking to this or being directed to it as a MMC substitute. In my opinion, if you are looking for that, you won't like it. If you are someone who is a fan of MMC but prefer the MDMA-esque qualities of it over the coke qualities of it, you will find more enjoyment in eating MEC.
To the three more recent posts regarding this, I would say that the supply may be weak or simply not MEC. I have not seen anyone have a strong but also negative reaction.
There was a several week break in the availability of 4-MMC due to the person with the contact information of the supplier having a mild mental breakdown and going on a two week meth bender...
When the supplier was contacted again, the quality of the 4-MMC was atrocious. 200mg insufflated had no real rush, made us feel awake and alert, but no euphoria, no mood elevation, and none of that 'droned out' disorientation common from high doses. (we think what was given to us in this instance was mdpv diluted heavily in another, inert powder as we discovered texture differences in the batch).
The same supplier contacted us regarding 4-MEC. It was acquired and tested out and found to be, at the very least, more tangibly effective and pleasant on the sinuses. It has a slight instant burn, more of a shock, that quickly disappears. Although the powder appears somewhat fluffy or sticky, it dissolves instantly and doesn't clog up like you would expect it to from appearance. There is not a ton of drip, obviously dependent on the amount done and it seems to allow the sinus' to rehydrate themselves quickly and effectively. Compared to most 4-MMC, especially the most recent batches, this is like candy...
Several of us did a rigorous experimentation over the course of 24 hours using 100mg bumps. It seemed to have a softer feel than 4-MMC. Where 4-MMC kinda felt like a can of Steel Reserve, this was more like a HoneyWeiss. It also, from the very beginning felt better. I mean that in the purely psychological sense. Without knowing hardly anything about it or what to expect, it just created a better, safer(mentally, no idea about toxicity), less sketchy mindset and overall mood. The only people who seemed to not care for it were those people who had been at the drone game longest (one in excess of 12 months of daily use). They found it to be weak and uninteresting and just 'not the same' as 4-MMC. These people switched back to the other batch of horrid drone and really didn't ever want to do the 4-MEC. I have a theory as to why, which I will explain later.
What solidified my opinion on 4-MEC being an altogether better chem than 4-MMC was when I tried it orally. I had hesitated on this because it did seem 'softer' than 4-MMC and I assumed that it would also have a softer feel when ingested.
WRONG.
Well, not so much wrong as surprised. I ate 300mg dissolved in Diet Coke (when eating drone, I would typically do 200-300 orally depending on quality, and then bump 100 to carry through until it hits) and was going to bump to get going but in getting bumps lined up for others I became distracted. Before I knew it I was out of my mind with euphoria. MY eyes were everywhere, I had a big ass grin on my face and I couldn't keep focused on one thing very long. I felt like I had eaten a couple of very strong hits of x. I was amazed. Even more so because I had been putting the stuff up my nose in 100mg shots every hour or so for a day and a half. I couldn't believe that it caused such a euphoria and altogether rolling vibe. I never got around to doing the starter line I had intended. I kept thinking about it (drone habit, is it time for another line yet?) but kept realizing I was still just as good and didn't need to do any more. That lasted for 3.5-4 hours.
As a note, in case some of you think that perhaps I had some MDMA and not MEC or some mixture, I can guarantee you that this is not the case. The amount we acquired would have been financially impossible if it were even a slight mix. The taste color and texture were not only significantly different than mdma, but consistent throughout. If there were MDMA, you would be able to see it amongst the fluffy structure of this stuff.
When I finally noticed a dissipation of the effects, I let it go a little and was surprised that it tapered nicely. It does not have the drop off of high doses of MMC. I decided to do a bump and with it I found myself right back into the euphoria and tactile 'rolled out' place I had been. I was able to maintain this effectively for a very long time. The comedown was easy, no tweaky, fiending, sketched out mode as I often found with MMC. There was energy but not speediness and it was relatively easily slept on. I didn't notice significant side effects such as vasoconstriction and the hot flashes that go along with MMC. It also didn't come with the delirious 'droned out' mental state that goes along with higher doses. It felt happy, enjoyable, and good. It didn't leave me feeling sketchy and fiendy, a sensation that has accompanied MMC from the very beginning.
My experience was not the only one. I recommended another person in our party try it orally. Her reaction was exactly the same, and under the same dose and length of use leading up to it. All aspects of my experience were shared by her up to and including the conclusion that it just feels better in that psychological sense.
If I had to take a guess at it based on the sensations and emotions this made me feel and left me with afterwards, I would say 4-MEC is probably like a reverse 4-MMC. They both act on nor-epinephrine, but MMC triggers dopamine in high amounts and little serotonin, MEC gives you little dopamine and high amounts of serotonin. This would account for a number of things that I noticed to be different in the experience. The obvious would be the euphoria of MEC compared to MMC. The second, and arguably most relevant to this thread would be the disinterest in MEC by several HEAVY and long term MMC users. I would guess MEC is boring to them, or 'just not the same' because they are not being rewarded by a dopamine rush. I can't fathom why anyone would have reverted back to the crappy drone we had gotten after trying this, until I think about it from a chemical dependence/tolerance standpoint.
All in all, MEC seems pretty fantastic... if you're not trying to replace MMC or a coke habit... It has a definitively more 'lovey' MDMA type feel, to the point that if given MEC as MDMA in an oral dose, I would likely not be able to notice the difference. And that is something that I have been wanting to say for a long time, lol. Life goal #369 completed.
Put it this way, I haven't really ever met a coke head who disliked MMC and the re-dose nature of it. Most of the people who prefer MDMA dislike MMC until given an opportunity to eat it leading to that 'rolling' feeling, but are still left fiending and disappointed in the duration. MEC taken orally is extremely powerful to those people who prefer a serotonin high over a dopamine rush.
The only thing left to cover is the after effects, which seem to be mild. Body exhaustion that is likely somewhat overstated because of the type of sleep schedule present over the two weeks prior (a few days on, one off...). There seems to be no hangover depression or afterglow. It doesn't 'feel' like it was significantly damaging as MDMA and MMC do sometimes. And the psychological thought process is one of looking back fondly on the experience and wanting to try it again. MMC never made me look back at the experience fondly, it was fun but it always left me feeling a little sketchy and dirty. It also seemed to draw the sketchy people out of the woodwork. I don't get that feeling with MEC and I don't fear seeing the sketchy people coming around because of it. That is possibly the best part of it in comparison to MMC for me personally. I don't feel like I am doing something dirty or grimy. I don't feel like a fiend.
Sorry for the novel. Just seems to me that people are looking to this or being directed to it as a MMC substitute. In my opinion, if you are looking for that, you won't like it. If you are someone who is a fan of MMC but prefer the MDMA-esque qualities of it over the coke qualities of it, you will find more enjoyment in eating MEC.
To the three more recent posts regarding this, I would say that the supply may be weak or simply not MEC. I have not seen anyone have a strong but also negative reaction.
Xamkou
Bluelighter
Does MEC smell at all?
DJ 303
Bluelighter
A circle of friends had been doing 4-MMC on the regular for quite some time. It was readily available and consistently available to us.
There was a several week break in the availability of 4-MMC due to the person with the contact information of the supplier having a mild mental breakdown and going on a two week meth bender...
When the supplier was contacted again, the quality of the 4-MMC was atrocious. 200mg insufflated had no real rush, made us feel awake and alert, but no euphoria, no mood elevation, and none of that 'droned out' disorientation common from high doses. (we think what was given to us in this instance was mdpv diluted heavily in another, inert powder as we discovered texture differences in the batch).
The same supplier contacted us regarding 4-MEC. It was acquired and tested out and found to be, at the very least, more tangibly effective and pleasant on the sinuses. It has a slight instant burn, more of a shock, that quickly disappears. Although the powder appears somewhat fluffy or sticky, it dissolves instantly and doesn't clog up like you would expect it to from appearance. There is not a ton of drip, obviously dependent on the amount done and it seems to allow the sinus' to rehydrate themselves quickly and effectively. Compared to most 4-MMC, especially the most recent batches, this is like candy...
Several of us did a rigorous experimentation over the course of 24 hours using 100mg bumps. It seemed to have a softer feel than 4-MMC. Where 4-MMC kinda felt like a can of Steel Reserve, this was more like a HoneyWeiss. It also, from the very beginning felt better. I mean that in the purely psychological sense. Without knowing hardly anything about it or what to expect, it just created a better, safer(mentally, no idea about toxicity), less sketchy mindset and overall mood. The only people who seemed to not care for it were those people who had been at the drone game longest (one in excess of 12 months of daily use). They found it to be weak and uninteresting and just 'not the same' as 4-MMC. These people switched back to the other batch of horrid drone and really didn't ever want to do the 4-MEC. I have a theory as to why, which I will explain later.
What solidified my opinion on 4-MEC being an altogether better chem than 4-MMC was when I tried it orally. I had hesitated on this because it did seem 'softer' than 4-MMC and I assumed that it would also have a softer feel when ingested.
WRONG.
Well, not so much wrong as surprised. I ate 300mg dissolved in Diet Coke (when eating drone, I would typically do 200-300 orally depending on quality, and then bump 100 to carry through until it hits) and was going to bump to get going but in getting bumps lined up for others I became distracted. Before I knew it I was out of my mind with euphoria. MY eyes were everywhere, I had a big ass grin on my face and I couldn't keep focused on one thing very long. I felt like I had eaten a couple of very strong hits of x. I was amazed. Even more so because I had been putting the stuff up my nose in 100mg shots every hour or so for a day and a half. I couldn't believe that it caused such a euphoria and altogether rolling vibe. I never got around to doing the starter line I had intended. I kept thinking about it (drone habit, is it time for another line yet?) but kept realizing I was still just as good and didn't need to do any more. That lasted for 3.5-4 hours.
As a note, in case some of you think that perhaps I had some MDMA and not MEC or some mixture, I can guarantee you that this is not the case. The amount we acquired would have been financially impossible if it were even a slight mix. The taste color and texture were not only significantly different than mdma, but consistent throughout. If there were MDMA, you would be able to see it amongst the fluffy structure of this stuff.
When I finally noticed a dissipation of the effects, I let it go a little and was surprised that it tapered nicely. It does not have the drop off of high doses of MMC. I decided to do a bump and with it I found myself right back into the euphoria and tactile 'rolled out' place I had been. I was able to maintain this effectively for a very long time. The comedown was easy, no tweaky, fiending, sketched out mode as I often found with MMC. There was energy but not speediness and it was relatively easily slept on. I didn't notice significant side effects such as vasoconstriction and the hot flashes that go along with MMC. It also didn't come with the delirious 'droned out' mental state that goes along with higher doses. It felt happy, enjoyable, and good. It didn't leave me feeling sketchy and fiendy, a sensation that has accompanied MMC from the very beginning.
My experience was not the only one. I recommended another person in our party try it orally. Her reaction was exactly the same, and under the same dose and length of use leading up to it. All aspects of my experience were shared by her up to and including the conclusion that it just feels better in that psychological sense.
If I had to take a guess at it based on the sensations and emotions this made me feel and left me with afterwards, I would say 4-MEC is probably like a reverse 4-MMC. They both act on nor-epinephrine, but MMC triggers dopamine in high amounts and little serotonin, MEC gives you little dopamine and high amounts of serotonin. This would account for a number of things that I noticed to be different in the experience. The obvious would be the euphoria of MEC compared to MMC. The second, and arguably most relevant to this thread would be the disinterest in MEC by several HEAVY and long term MMC users. I would guess MEC is boring to them, or 'just not the same' because they are not being rewarded by a dopamine rush. I can't fathom why anyone would have reverted back to the crappy drone we had gotten after trying this, until I think about it from a chemical dependence/tolerance standpoint.
All in all, MEC seems pretty fantastic... if you're not trying to replace MMC or a coke habit... It has a definitively more 'lovey' MDMA type feel, to the point that if given MEC as MDMA in an oral dose, I would likely not be able to notice the difference. And that is something that I have been wanting to say for a long time, lol. Life goal #369 completed.
Put it this way, I haven't really ever met a coke head who disliked MMC and the re-dose nature of it. Most of the people who prefer MDMA dislike MMC until given an opportunity to eat it leading to that 'rolling' feeling, but are still left fiending and disappointed in the duration. MEC taken orally is extremely powerful to those people who prefer a serotonin high over a dopamine rush.
The only thing left to cover is the after effects, which seem to be mild. Body exhaustion that is likely somewhat overstated because of the type of sleep schedule present over the two weeks prior (a few days on, one off...). There seems to be no hangover depression or afterglow. It doesn't 'feel' like it was significantly damaging as MDMA and MMC do sometimes. And the psychological thought process is one of looking back fondly on the experience and wanting to try it again. MMC never made me look back at the experience fondly, it was fun but it always left me feeling a little sketchy and dirty. It also seemed to draw the sketchy people out of the woodwork. I don't get that feeling with MEC and I don't fear seeing the sketchy people coming around because of it. That is possibly the best part of it in comparison to MMC for me personally. I don't feel like I am doing something dirty or grimy. I don't feel like a fiend.
Sorry for the novel. Just seems to me that people are looking to this or being directed to it as a MMC substitute. In my opinion, if you are looking for that, you won't like it. If you are someone who is a fan of MMC but prefer the MDMA-esque qualities of it over the coke qualities of it, you will find more enjoyment in eating MEC.
To the three more recent posts regarding this, I would say that the supply may be weak or simply not MEC. I have not seen anyone have a strong but also negative reaction.
Great post fella.
Your a fucking superstar!
Ive been hanging out for some decent info, for confirmation of my limited experience and opinion with regards to this chemical, but with real useable well structured observational data.
I'm glad to see that there are at least some true-bluelighters around.
give yourself 150 entirely unusable, but very well deserved points!
