A circle of friends had been doing 4-MMC on the regular for quite some time. It was readily available and consistently available to us.
There was a several week break in the availability of 4-MMC due to the person with the contact information of the supplier having a mild mental breakdown and going on a two week meth bender...
When the supplier was contacted again, the quality of the 4-MMC was atrocious. 200mg insufflated had no real rush, made us feel awake and alert, but no euphoria, no mood elevation, and none of that 'droned out' disorientation common from high doses. (we think what was given to us in this instance was mdpv diluted heavily in another, inert powder as we discovered texture differences in the batch).
The same supplier contacted us regarding 4-MEC. It was acquired and tested out and found to be, at the very least, more tangibly effective and pleasant on the sinuses. It has a slight instant burn, more of a shock, that quickly disappears. Although the powder appears somewhat fluffy or sticky, it dissolves instantly and doesn't clog up like you would expect it to from appearance. There is not a ton of drip, obviously dependent on the amount done and it seems to allow the sinus' to rehydrate themselves quickly and effectively. Compared to most 4-MMC, especially the most recent batches, this is like candy...
Several of us did a rigorous experimentation over the course of 24 hours using 100mg bumps. It seemed to have a softer feel than 4-MMC. Where 4-MMC kinda felt like a can of Steel Reserve, this was more like a HoneyWeiss. It also, from the very beginning felt better. I mean that in the purely psychological sense. Without knowing hardly anything about it or what to expect, it just created a better, safer(mentally, no idea about toxicity), less sketchy mindset and overall mood. The only people who seemed to not care for it were those people who had been at the drone game longest (one in excess of 12 months of daily use). They found it to be weak and uninteresting and just 'not the same' as 4-MMC. These people switched back to the other batch of horrid drone and really didn't ever want to do the 4-MEC. I have a theory as to why, which I will explain later.
What solidified my opinion on 4-MEC being an altogether better chem than 4-MMC was when I tried it orally. I had hesitated on this because it did seem 'softer' than 4-MMC and I assumed that it would also have a softer feel when ingested.
WRONG.
Well, not so much wrong as surprised. I ate 300mg dissolved in Diet Coke (when eating drone, I would typically do 200-300 orally depending on quality, and then bump 100 to carry through until it hits) and was going to bump to get going but in getting bumps lined up for others I became distracted. Before I knew it I was out of my mind with euphoria. MY eyes were everywhere, I had a big ass grin on my face and I couldn't keep focused on one thing very long. I felt like I had eaten a couple of very strong hits of x. I was amazed. Even more so because I had been putting the stuff up my nose in 100mg shots every hour or so for a day and a half. I couldn't believe that it caused such a euphoria and altogether rolling vibe. I never got around to doing the starter line I had intended. I kept thinking about it (drone habit, is it time for another line yet?) but kept realizing I was still just as good and didn't need to do any more. That lasted for 3.5-4 hours.
As a note, in case some of you think that perhaps I had some MDMA and not MEC or some mixture, I can guarantee you that this is not the case. The amount we acquired would have been financially impossible if it were even a slight mix. The taste color and texture were not only significantly different than mdma, but consistent throughout. If there were MDMA, you would be able to see it amongst the fluffy structure of this stuff.
When I finally noticed a dissipation of the effects, I let it go a little and was surprised that it tapered nicely. It does not have the drop off of high doses of MMC. I decided to do a bump and with it I found myself right back into the euphoria and tactile 'rolled out' place I had been. I was able to maintain this effectively for a very long time. The comedown was easy, no tweaky, fiending, sketched out mode as I often found with MMC. There was energy but not speediness and it was relatively easily slept on. I didn't notice significant side effects such as vasoconstriction and the hot flashes that go along with MMC. It also didn't come with the delirious 'droned out' mental state that goes along with higher doses. It felt happy, enjoyable, and good. It didn't leave me feeling sketchy and fiendy, a sensation that has accompanied MMC from the very beginning.
My experience was not the only one. I recommended another person in our party try it orally. Her reaction was exactly the same, and under the same dose and length of use leading up to it. All aspects of my experience were shared by her up to and including the conclusion that it just feels better in that psychological sense.
If I had to take a guess at it based on the sensations and emotions this made me feel and left me with afterwards, I would say 4-MEC is probably like a reverse 4-MMC. They both act on nor-epinephrine, but MMC triggers dopamine in high amounts and little serotonin, MEC gives you little dopamine and high amounts of serotonin. This would account for a number of things that I noticed to be different in the experience. The obvious would be the euphoria of MEC compared to MMC. The second, and arguably most relevant to this thread would be the disinterest in MEC by several HEAVY and long term MMC users. I would guess MEC is boring to them, or 'just not the same' because they are not being rewarded by a dopamine rush. I can't fathom why anyone would have reverted back to the crappy drone we had gotten after trying this, until I think about it from a chemical dependence/tolerance standpoint.
All in all, MEC seems pretty fantastic... if you're not trying to replace MMC or a coke habit... It has a definitively more 'lovey' MDMA type feel, to the point that if given MEC as MDMA in an oral dose, I would likely not be able to notice the difference. And that is something that I have been wanting to say for a long time, lol. Life goal #369 completed.
Put it this way, I haven't really ever met a coke head who disliked MMC and the re-dose nature of it. Most of the people who prefer MDMA dislike MMC until given an opportunity to eat it leading to that 'rolling' feeling, but are still left fiending and disappointed in the duration. MEC taken orally is extremely powerful to those people who prefer a serotonin high over a dopamine rush.
The only thing left to cover is the after effects, which seem to be mild. Body exhaustion that is likely somewhat overstated because of the type of sleep schedule present over the two weeks prior (a few days on, one off...). There seems to be no hangover depression or afterglow. It doesn't 'feel' like it was significantly damaging as MDMA and MMC do sometimes. And the psychological thought process is one of looking back fondly on the experience and wanting to try it again. MMC never made me look back at the experience fondly, it was fun but it always left me feeling a little sketchy and dirty. It also seemed to draw the sketchy people out of the woodwork. I don't get that feeling with MEC and I don't fear seeing the sketchy people coming around because of it. That is possibly the best part of it in comparison to MMC for me personally. I don't feel like I am doing something dirty or grimy. I don't feel like a fiend.
Sorry for the novel. Just seems to me that people are looking to this or being directed to it as a MMC substitute. In my opinion, if you are looking for that, you won't like it. If you are someone who is a fan of MMC but prefer the MDMA-esque qualities of it over the coke qualities of it, you will find more enjoyment in eating MEC.
To the three more recent posts regarding this, I would say that the supply may be weak or simply not MEC. I have not seen anyone have a strong but also negative reaction.
