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4-Fluoroamphetamine

Personally, I have never dosed above 120 mg, around 70-80 mg most of the time.
But I use it mainly to add some more stimulance to my 2C-I/2C-E.
Have dosed some friends up to 140-160 mg, but never more.
It's a bad idea to do so imho, just look for something else if it's not giving you enough of a rush/energy.

We usually redose a maximum of one time, mostly 40-60 mg.
If you go crazy on the redose, you'll probably lay awake for a loooong time.
That's the bitchy side of 4-FMP, euphoria lasts relatively short compared with the after-effects.
Never experienced the slightest comedown whatsoever, but judging by the rest of this topic, I probably dose a lot more...careful...than the most of you. ;)
 
I think personally you need to do 300mgs to get the best out of this drug, and even then its still not quite the same as doing ecstasy.
 
It's not ecstasy, so that's hardly surprising.
Perhaps 300mg gets the most, but is it the best compromise between good and bad effects? (Yes, even the ones which aren't apparent on the outside.)
 
blauwelichten said:
I think personally you need to do 300mgs to get the best out of this drug, and even then its still not quite the same as doing ecstasy.
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On how many peoples' experience with this drug are you basing this?
I have used it with at least 10 different people, who have all had good effects at a dose between 80-140 mg.
Furthermore, I 'shared' my stash with about 50 other people.
Almost all of them have had a good experience at the dosage that I suggested.
I remember 3 or 4 cases that upped their dosage to 180-220 mg max.
But only after decent experimentation, starting off with 140 mg.

I understand that it might not be working in your situation.
But has it ever crossed your mind that it might be a bad idea that everyone starts off by taking 300 mg?
There is always the possibilty that you didn't get 4-FMP in the first place.
Or you might have ADD or a related disorder (I am not accusing you here, just naming options) that makes you far less susceptible to its effects.

Since this site is all about harm minimalisation, I definitely suggest not advising people to take 300 mg, if there are also a lot of people giving other advice.
If someone takes 120 mg, it doesn't work, they just take some extra or think 'what the hell'.
If my gf would have started off with 300 mg instead of the 80 mg I gave her, chances are she would've end up in the hospital.
 
Sorry I find anything less than that hasnt ever got me to where I want to be.
I dont mix it with other drugs, just 4fmp. Yes, its real, its from a trusted vendor, not a rip off shop..
I dont want just the stimulation, I want the full on off-your-box experience.
Anything less than 250-300mgs, doesnt provide that for me.
Obviously your mileage may vary.
 
I will be trying it again later on today, without any mdma or anything else. I remember reading a few pages back that a few posts mentioned that this got a lot of people horny. I am thinking mixing it with mdma killed that aspect of it for me.

So how has this been for sex for you guys, or was it just limp dick for 8 hours?
 
Definitely gets you horny, more so for the females in my experience.
No problems boning while high on it, but you might get some blisters LOL. ;)

Try in combination with 2C-I for überwin fucky time. =D
 
supermarket said:
I feel maybe I can contribute, for people who have similar experiences to stimulants as I do...

Personally, my heart never does well w/ stimulants, and I get panic attacks, anxiety, etc etc.

4-Fa didn't give me any negative experience at all, quite the contrary, I felt happy, awake, but calm (yes calm), yet energized at the same time. My heart beat was def. raised, but not for much concern.

Overall it was an amazing experience, not quite as euphoric as MDMA, but still quite enjoyable.

I actually was able to get sleep on it toO!
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agreed, first time i did 4fa i was hungover, shaking and extremely anxious, i did about 120mg 4fa and there wasnt any speedyness, i got this amazing sense of calmness and well being, it killed all my anxiety and calmed me down, great stuff.

@ meDieViL its nothing like it, its like a less messy version of mdma, one bomb lasts a good 5 hours, redosing works a few times but i think it adds more speedyness whilst the first bomb is extremely calm and chilled out.
 
bignbrown said:
@ meDieViL its nothing like it, its like a less messy version of mdma, one bomb lasts a good 5 hours, redosing works a few times but i think it adds more speedyness whilst the first bomb is extremely calm and chilled out.
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Well said, I always compare it to have the good effects of MDMA (euphoria, increased appreciation of music) and the good effects of speed (energy, no fatigue). Instead of redosing with 4-FMP, I usually recommend people to 'redose' with small bombs of MDMA (50-60 mg), maximum of two in a row. Extra 4-FMP only adds speedyness, the initial euphoric rush is usually gone. But a small amount of MDMA works in synergy with 4-FMP-mediated serotonin release and will get the euphoria up again. :)
 
I was planning testing this today, but after being on PV yesterday will I get the full effect? Saw something about cross-tollerance?
 
I've often wondered if this would combo well with MDMA in similar way to Amp. Say, just a tiny bit (50-100mg) just to give the MDMA a boost the way Amphetamine does. But I'd be scared of the 4-FA's SERT affinity interfering with the MDMA magic (which amp does not when its only a small cut due to negligable affinity).

I can also believe that this would be excellent as an anxiety free stim as the DA/NE ratios are similar to Amp, yet with a lower affinity for NET (and the higher NE stims seem to be more likely to have the anxiety overtake the euphoria). And of course the respecatable SERT affinity willl contribute substantially if there's 5-HT1A activatation anywhere near that of MDMA.

I've only found two vendors for this stuff and one of them won't ship to UK. The other seems a nightmare to get payment too. I'm guessing these are the vendors you guys are on about? Sorry if this is too much vendor talk, I'll remove it if asked, or snip away.

And has anyone tried bumping up the MDMA side with an SSRA like MDAI? How has this worked out for you if you've tried this, and what dosages did you use?
 
captain codshit said:
I was planning testing this today, but after being on PV yesterday will I get the full effect? Saw something about cross-tollerance?
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Acute DA and NE tolerance will be there, but how noticable this will be I cannot say as i've not been in this situation.

It may be that you feel the serotonergic effect outweigh the rest but still have a decent ride.

I can't imagine the comedown would be pretty though as I hear PV on its own can get pretty gnarly.
 
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Poodles! said:
I've only found two vendors for this stuff and one of them won't ship to UK. The other seems a nightmare to get payment too. I'm guessing these are the vendors you guys are on about? Sorry if this is too much vendor talk, I'll remove it if asked, or snip away.

And has anyone tried bumping up the MDMA side with an SSRA like MDAI? How has this worked out for you if you've tried this, and what dosages did you use?
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dont forget that 4-fa is illegal in the uk so having it shipped may be not the best idea...

4-fa is nice, but the emphatogenic effects dont last too lang - I would say only 2 hours then its more like normal amph. so adding some mdai is a good idea. I tried it and liked it and there is a trip report by somebody else who did it and enjoyed too.
 
Poodles! said:
I've often wondered if this would combo well with MDMA in similar way to Amp. Say, just a tiny bit (50-100mg) just to give the MDMA a boost the way Amphetamine does. But I'd be scared of the 4-FA's SERT affinity interfering with the MDMA magic (which amp does not when its only a small cut due to negligable affinity).
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I have mixed the two, about two pages back there is a link to my TR. I would initially go with 120mg 4FA and after about two hours 100mg MDMA, not much more as I used more 4FA and about 150mg mdma which literally floored me.
 
^ Your trip report of 4-FA & MDMA has my euphoria seeking mission inspired! :)

I'm impressed with this chemical. 80mg bomb followed by 10-15mg line & some G is very nice clean rushy. Can see it would be a great potentiator with a seratonin releaser like MDMA, M1 etc. Feels clean enough it would be fine with 2c's or psyches aswell.
 
captain codshit said:
Feels clean enough it would be fine with 2c's or psyches aswell.
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Combination with phens is awesome!
I mostly dose 60-80 mg with this combinatie, since your 2C will potentiate the euphoria.

Combining with M1 is not exactly my thing, but a lot of my mates like it better than straight MDMA. :)

Tonight I'm going to hook my (birthday-boy) mate up with 100 mg of 4-FMP, followed by a 60 mg MDMA booster with 20 mg of 2C-D... Can't wait to post the report. =D
 
TBH I never liked M1 without Meph or K really. But with this would have potential.

Sounds similar to my own birthday plans. I think 80mg of 4-FA & 120-150mg MDMA would be more like it though. Birthday chin dance at dawn :D
 
We also have plenty of 180 mg tablets around, LOL.
So with my birthday-capsule I am taking into account the fact he will prolly drop one of those too. =D
 
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