RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[yaksha]

I know this is off topic, but I just got a holiday bonus and I saw [h=1]4-METHYLPHENMETRAZINE [/h] on a vendors site, any speculation, do you think it has more/less potential than 3f?

 

[Ziiirp]

Hi,

after reading LeeviON's post I see myself assured, that there are indeed different batches available. I barely felt something from 50mg insufflated (similar to phatass). Of course it could be attributed to tolerance or body conditions (use once a week but often high doses). I will test it again after a longer pause.

@yaksha

4M-PM should be more serotonergic. Less reinforcing but less potential as a clear upper.

 

[crOOk]

at 5pm, i took some flubros

Swim's foaf's hamster is wondering whether this was before or after your chucambos and brigs?

Can we please just call chemicals by their fucking names?! It's not that hard. This is not the godamn drugs-forum.

Excuse me.

and well i wonder but anybody worry about fluroro- compounds? fluor is knew to be something really toxic, that my principal concern with this product

Which compound are you referring to when you say "fluor"? Elemental fluorine? Sure that's nothing to be fucked with, but have you ever seen someone die a horrible death of table salt because chlorine is toxic?

 

[LeeviON]

After reading LeeviON's post I see myself assured, that there are indeed different batches available. I barely felt something from 50mg insufflated (similar to phatass). Of course it could be attributed to tolerance or body conditions (use once a week but often high doses). I will test it again after a longer pause.

Yes, I am on the thin side, actually weighing about 60 kilograms, or 9 stones 6 lbs, probably a bit less now that I've been using 3-FPM.
For me 40mg works quite well, ~50-60mg is the standard dose I've most often been taking, and I did try a >100mg dose one time. Wow. Remember, I'm almost like a stranger offering you drugs by reporting larger dosages such as that so you should just say 'NO'. (as in, don't do what I did. This substance doesn't even have an LD50 established on rats, so there is no way of knowing what dose is deadly and what's not, especially with Ziiirp's mention of different batches, so there's no way to know how pure it is, or how much toxic byproducts (from the synth) it has left. A dose that produces average effects to one individual might be, especially if procured from a different batch, deadly to another individual. So no, when we tell you to titrate starting from preferably <1mg, and tell you to use liquid measuring if you don't have that accurate a scale, it's not just to waste your time, or to humour us. It can seriously, actually, really, one day, save your life. So I advise to take it seriously.
I use, on average, maybe two to three times in a week, and on average somewhere around 200mg intranasally per session, or phrased more accurately, over the course of no less than five to six hours. So short-term tolerance is taken off my list. Other (dare I say) guinea pigs have also reported no noticeable STT if I recall correctly.
Also, those who use this drug not for its euphoria but as a functional stimulant (as in, say, taking it before going to a jog to increase their performance, etc.) don't need nearly that large dosage, and now that I think about it should only take this orally, not intranasally or via any other drug administration technique that has a fast onset (IV, IM, vaporization, for example) because oral dosaging seems to be the only way to administer it without the peak being too intense & short-lived, and without nearly as strong an urge to redose as opposed to other techniques.

@crOOk: laughed out loud at your post I'm assuming someone's not in the best of moods?

Wow. I can't feel the after-effects of the 3-FPM anymore, but judging by the amount of text that I've just written, there still quite obviously, to me, is a degree of mental stimulation left (it's been almost 50 hours since the last dose (52mg, insufflated)). Please, dear BL chemists, do you have any theories on what it could possibly metabolize into/why it has such a nonsensical duration of lingering stimulation? I think whatever the answer is (assuming it's not a contaminated batch), it's got something to do with either long-acting or very fat-soluble metabolites. As obvious as that might be, I'm just pointing out that it's (in my mind) a lot more likely than the 3-FPM itself having so long residual effects. It would make no sense. Again, please tell me if I'm saying something obviously wrong.

Thank you, good bye, going finally to sleep, buh-bye, good night Bluelight!

 

[crOOk]

@crOOk: laughed out loud at your post I'm assuming someone's not in the best of moods?

Haha nah, I was indeed very pissed. Anticipated being let down by a few people today and had that confirmed. All good now though. :D

Wow. I can't feel the after-effects of the 3-FPM anymore, but judging by the amount of text that I've just written, there still quite obviously, to me, is a degree of mental stimulation left (it's been almost 50 hours since the last dose (52mg, insufflated)). Please, dear BL chemists, do you have any theories on what it could possibly metabolize into/why it has such a nonsensical duration of lingering stimulation? I think whatever the answer is (assuming it's not a contaminated batch), it's got something to do with either long-acting or very fat-soluble metabolites. As obvious as that might be, I'm just pointing out that it's (in my mind) a lot more likely than the 3-FPM itself having so long residual effects. It would make no sense. Again, please tell me if I'm saying something obviously wrong.

My normal reaction to every stimulant. I am bipolar though. Most people crash 6 hours or so after using amphetamine, the time during which I feel affected the most though is only after that episode of being superfocussed, when instead of crashing my mind starts to really crank it up.

Have you taken any other stimulants before? Have you ever reacted that way?

 

[kingqueen1]

It say that the fluoro atom is really hard to be metabolized if its the right word, maybe it could explain why there is some little effect who stay for so long time compare to his parent phenmetrazine

 

[LeeviON]

Haha nah, I was indeed very pissed. Anticipated being let down by a few people today and had that confirmed. All good now though. :D

Even though I don't know the specifics, that's too bad to hear :/ good thing you worked it out though!

My normal reaction to every stimulant. I am bipolar though. Most people crash 6 hours or so after using amphetamine, the time during which I feel affected the most though is only after that episode of being superfocussed, when instead of crashing my mind starts to really crank it up.

Have you taken any other stimulants before? Have you ever reacted that way?

So, just to make sure I understood that correctly, because of the bipolar disorder you have that kind of a.. thingamajiggy.. reaction to amphetamine? I swear I know the word, I just don't remember it.. I keep thinking adverse reaction but that doesn't have anything to do with the word I'm looking for.... hold on. What the fuck did I just write?
Anyway, I think I've been tested for bipolar disorder a few years ago

I've plenty of experience with stimulants, mainly amphetamines and EPH & MPH, and have never had a similar experience, even with the long-acting ones.


Ok, I think it's best if I take a little nap before continuing to stalk this thread. Why, you might ask, would you spend hours pressing "Refresh" on a computer. Well it's just somehow really cool when you refresh this page after, say, a couple of hours, and during that time the other people've been writing, and learned about this substance, 3-FPM. Think about it, every time someone discovers a new.. perk of this drug, say simply via their own experiences + other people confirming same effects.. this thread is in a way, a diary for pseudo-random people around the world, many of whom post here to tell their own story about how this substance felt, or comparing ROAs, or anything like that. This thread is, in a way, a very slow way of performing a study. Years later someone will comb through the dozens of pages of this thread, making notes of every post where someone tells subjective experience, every step of the way, making notes of each of the effects and so on, and in the end reaching a consensus accurate enough to give us semi-objective information sheet about dosage, effects, side-effects, after-effects, and any information one could need to make using this substance safer, in that sense.
But nobody'll do it anyway, so I guess I'll have to set an alarm five years into the future and do it myself. Whee

..yup, it's nap time alright..

 

[rrggr]

1 week on 3-FPM

Introduction:

General - I ordered 1 gram of 3-FPM from an online vendor that seemed trustworthy enough. All information below is based on the assumption that I received more or less exactly 1 gram and that the substance was indeed pure 3-FPM (I have no way to know that for sure).
Dosing - Furthermore, I need to mention that I “eyeballed” every dose. This means that the amounts mentioned below are only estimates. However, I chose a set amount to start experimenting with and tried to keep using the same amount for different routes of administration. Additionally, I experimented twice with fractions of that amount and once with a multiple of it. I cannot guarantee that all doses were equal in size, but I was as careful as possible to achieve that. Adding up the total of doses counted and assuming that I really started with 1 gram, I can say with a reasonable certainty that 1 dose was about 40 mg.


Overview of 3-FPM:

Duration (insufflated powder)

• First signs: less than a minute
• Come-up : around 5 minutes
• Duration of peak: 90-120 minutes
• Come-down: N/A
• After-effects: at least 6 hours to well over 24 hours

Dosage (insufflated powder, see “Dosing” in the introduction)

• Light: <15 mg
• Moderate: ~ 15-30 mg
• Heavy: 30-? (my exp. Is with 30-50 mg)
• Very heavy: n/a (my exp. Is with ~80-100 mg, powder dissolved in a saline solution)

Method of administration

• Oral ingestion worked fine for me. The onset on an empty stomach was slow (20-30 minutes). All other effects seemed to not differ from the same dose insufflated. The taste is bad but nothing too bothersome. After drinking a cup or two of water there was no aftertaste.
• Sublingual: Bitter and sour taste. It disappears in about 5 minutes. In comparison, EPH left my mouth numb for about 20-30 minutes.
• Insufflated powder: Fast onset (<1 min). It stings a lot! I can only compare it with crushed caffeine pills, crushed MPH pills, and EPH powder. It felt far worse than the crushed pills, but not as bad as EPH. Additionally, the sting subsides steadily and goes away completely in about 1 minute. An hour later, all ill feelings in the nose were gone. In comparison, a single line of the same size of EPH had my nose hurt for about two weeks and made it feel bruised for another 4 or so weeks. This being said, I am very certain that 3-FPM is really unhealthy for your nose, too.
• Dissolved powder in saline solution (sprayed in the nose): I can highly recommend this way over pure powder insufflation. Onset, Duration and effects are the same, but there is basically no burn. (I dissolved ~500mg in ~10 ml of saline solution)

Effects (subjectively put in an order going from positive to negative)

• Wakefulness: This is present at any dosage. At a light dose 3-FPM seemed to be comparable to ~1-2 cups of strong coffee for a few hours. At a medium dosage and above, any tiredness seemed to disappear completely.
• Chattiness: At doses up to 50mg there was no indication of increased talkativeness. At 80-100 mg I experienced a strong urge to talk/write/share similar to what I have experienced with MPH and EPH lasting for about 90-120 minutes.
• Restlessness (need to do sth.): The higher the dose, the more pronounced was this effect. Even at moderate doses, I could not stand doing nothing. Simply put: I had to find sth. to occupy myself with.
• Inability to sleep: Even moderate doses seemed to prevent me from sleeping for at least 6 hours after intake. 3 heavy doses spaced out over 6 hours, made it absolutely impossible for me to sleep even after 8 hours, despite trying to do so. With two more heavy doses after my sleep attempt, I ended up staying awake for 42 hours.
• Inability to talk normally: At moderate doses, I felt that I was talking “weirdly” with other people. Writing seems perfectly doable even at very high doses but talking is not.
• Kills appetite: Moderate doses strongly decrease the wish to eat. Heavy doses and above basically make you forget about food!
• Laxative properties: Any dose at any route of administration resulted in an urge to shit no later than 45 minutes after intake. The urge increases with the dose taken.
• Urge to redose: This is a purely subjective. At my moderate dose, I felt like taking more 90 or so minutes after the previous dose. At 80-100 mg I wanted to take more every 30 minutes. Still, the urge to redose not nearly as strong as when taking MPH, which made me crave(!) for more in about 30-60 minutes even at the lowest possible recreational dose.
• Vasoconstriction: This side-effect was certainly present. The first night of doing 3-FPM I felt like this effect was significantly more pronounced than on MPH or EPH. Later personal experiments confirmed the effect, but I was not able to tell for sure if it were stronger or weaker than MPH/EPH.
• Headaches: I normally never have headaches! Blackout drunk without puking? – I have a terrible hangover but I have no headaches. Having the flu? – sore muscles, feel like shit, but no headache! Any day I took 3-FPM, I experienced a headache at some point. It was not strong, it did not bother me, but it surprised me since, I headaches are something extremely(!) rare for me. Of course, it is possible that there was some other cause (by far not enough sleep, not drinking enough water, not eating well), but those are all things that I have experienced without 3-FPM, too, and did not cause headaches then.
• Negligence/lack of attentiveness: At moderate doses and above I felt like my thoughts were scattered and I noticed forgetting things, which I just had thought about doing. I would advise against operating heavy machinery (driving!) when doing over 40mg of 3-FPM.
• Comparison to common effects of other stimulants:
  • Euphoria: NONE of the doses I took induced even the slightest bit of euphoria!!! The sole reason I even tried this drug (and EPH) was because I wanted to reach that “king of the world” feeling I had on MPH (30mg snorted). EPH was disappointing. 3-FPM did absolutely nothing (although, at 80-100mg I did feel somewhat “fine”). If you are looking for an euphoric stimulant, 3-FPM is not right for you at all.
  • Jitteriness: Even at 80-100 mg there was basically, no jitteriness! MPH , EPH and even caffeine at moderate doses make me very jittery. 3-FPM had no such effect to my surprise
  • Increased heart rate: This effect seemed very minor even at very heavy doses. Slightly above 1 dose (40mg) of EPH made fear that my beating heart might break my ribs. Well above 2 doses (100+ mg) of 3-FPM caused what I perceived as only a slight increase in heart rate.
  • Anxiety: 40+ mg of EPH caused me to become increasingly uneasy (about my current health condition and generally about life). 3-FPM did nothing alike. Even at 100+ mg I felt no uneasiness at all. Honestly, I’d say that even 3 cups of strong of coffee are more fiendish than 3-FPM.
  • Unpleasant come-down: I did not experience any unpleasant come-down with 3-FPM on any dose. It simply lingers around for a long while and very slowly fades away. The redose cravings on MPH made me feel somewhat badly. When higher doses of EPH were wearing off, I had a few moments when I almost begged to get this over with, and felt really uneasy for a 1 or 2 hours until I was finally in the mood to fall asleep. Coming down from 3-FPM was a breeze. I never had any ill feelings. The only thing that is somewhat comparable to a come-down is the need to redose. However, at doses up to 50mg, it was rather just a “thought” than it was a “need”. Even at 100+ mg, it was not bothersome, albeit being easy to sneak “just a bit more”.

Problems:

I do not feel competent to comment on any health or mental problems this substance could have.
My personal opinion (based on my “research” and without further elaboration) is that:

• It is most likely (very) addictive if used for a longer period of time.
• It is very harmful to the nose (especially if insufflated as pure powder)
• It is safe to combine with any (semi-reasonable) amount of alcohol
• It makes driving increasingly unsafe at any dose above 30mg

Personal opinion on 3-FPM:

Everything in this post is based solely on my personal experience. However, while anything above is written with the intention to help others understand the substance better and have a hopefully safe and not unpleasant experience with it, everything below simply describes my perception while “high” on 3-FPM. Thus every statement is as subjective as it can get and should not be used to weigh trying this RC. Furthermore, most experiences described below were accompanied with generous amounts of alcohol in addition to 3-FPM.

First and foremost, I did not achieve what I was striving for: the “king of the world” feeling that 30mg MPH in the form of crushed Ritalin pills caused. Euphoria is basically not present with 3-FPM. Only after taking 80-100mg of 3-FPM did I experience some slightly pleasant feeling (as opposed to neutral with 50mg and less).

The most striking aspect of 3-FPM for me was its property to keep me awake no matter what! In my personal experience even doses around 30-40mg kept me completely awake for at least 8 hours. I’d say that 3-FPM is the closest I can imagine to a “sleep-replacement pill”. People on this forum talk about its short-lasting effects while casually mentioning taking some kind of benzos “just in case” before going to bed. Well, I had no benzos… and let me tell you: 3-FPM does not allow you to fall asleep. I experienced trouble falling asleep on similar doses of MPH (30mg) and EPH (30-50mg), and even though I barely drink any caffeine, I occasionally use 2 cups of strong coffee to be able to fall asleep when the caffeine crash hits me (about 2 hours after intake). 3-FPM is a whole different ballpark! 3-FPM and sleep are incompatible! Not only that it is hard to fall asleep even half a day later after a moderate to heavy dose, but you actually feel somewhat alert and awake 24 hours later even if you managed to get some sleep. In my experience 3-FPM is by no means short-acting. Most effects (positive and negative) it has might wear off in one, two… three hours, but the wakefulness remains. I completely agree with other posters, who mentioned that they feel like the wakefulness aspect of 3-FPM compounds with every dose taken in short to medium succession and can linger for a day or two.

A further remarkable aspect of 3-FPM (for me), is its appetite killing property. Even moderate to low heavy doses, suppress any hunger for at least 8-10 hours. It does not mean that I didn’t recall thinking about eating every now and then. It just felt quite insignificant. Eating is possible, but there simply is no desire to do it. Having had three heavy doses in the span of 5-6 hours right after lunch, I only remembered that humans are supposed to eat 20 hours after my last meal. I felt like I could go on without eating (even though my last dose was 14 hours in), but I decided that I probably should have some food before continuing with the 3-FPM… And I guess I was correct since it took another 20 hours until I ate again…

I perceived the physical side-effects of 3-FPM as negligible. As I already mentioned, even stupidly high doses did not produce the sweating, jitteriness, and increased heart rate that other stimulants (MPH, EPH, caffeine) produced in far smaller quantities. Besides moderate to severe vasoconstriction, an increased heart rate was the only other physical effect I felt.

I’d also like to add that I felt no immediate negative mental side-effects (who knows what this stuff does to your brain long-term…). MPH had some unpleasant moments. EPH was downright fiendish… While on shrooms, I’ve seen water flowing up the wall, closets melting and bending if they were made out of hot cheese, creatures trying to break through the wall, and every object around me spinning in around a vortex in the center of my vision, as if there was a whirlpool sucking them in… and I never felt uneasy… EPH on the other hand, made me worry about so many things, and even had me panicked for a few short moments. The only drug that has ever made me feel less “comfortable” was salvia when I took a bong of some 40x extract and saw how some unknown creature was slicing reality in pieces of toast that disappeared into the black void surrounding me…



Last words:

For me 3-FPM is an interesting substance in the sense that it is so different from any other stimulant I have tried. Any dose up to 50 mg had no basically no positive or negative effects other than keep you awake and lessen your appetite. At 80mg and well beyond it, a strong increase in talkativeness appeared, paired with a slightly pleasant overall feeling that I intentionally will not call euphoria, since it really does not compare to the MPH rush at only 30 mg.
Overall, I would not advise against trying 3-FPM a few times and testing its boundaries. However, I certainly will not recommend it – mostly because it basically is a completely unknown chemical compound that can damage your health in god know what ways. At the same, time there are no especially pronounced “fun” effects, even at 100+ mg it is just marginally “fun”.


Addendum:

• I did write all of this while being “high” on 3-FPM
• Apparently it does cause an extreme urge to talk/write/share at very high doses 80+ mg
• While doses up to ~50 mg seem to produce a weak wish to redose, doses beyond 80 mg seem to make you redose without even realizing it. Here it becomes extremely fiendish. For a week , I only took 50 mg max at once and rarely redosed. After doing 80+ mg tonight, I just kept using my saline/3-FPM solution and I am currently at what should be around 400mg in 6 hours according to my calculations!
• Despite the insane amount of 3-FPM I took/am still taking tonight, I still have not experienced any uneasiness or severe physical side-effects.
• My order is almost gone now, I will continue with the “research” tonight and then I am going to flush whatever is left (if anything) down the toilet. I do not intend to be ordering again.
• I will post an update in the next 3 weeks as to how this extreme, and hopefully last experience with 3-FPM went.

 

[crOOk]

..yup, it's nap time alright..

lol indeed. :D

BLUELIGHT HAS NEVER SEEN THIS MANY HIGHLY MOTIVATED POSTERS!!!

This drug has got to be good. Seriously - It really sounds like there's gonna be a new one in town. I haven't tried this, but it wouldn't surprise me if this rose to massive popularity. I predict the first death within the month, soon to be followed by the drug being scheduled. Better grab some before it's too late (obvious irony is irony)!

 

[rrggr]

...

This drug has got to be good. Seriously - It really sounds like there's gonna be a new one in town. I haven't tried this, but it wouldn't surprise me if this rose to massive popularity.

Honestly, despite my wall of text, it is not that good. Yes, it is unusual for a stimulant. Yes, it can become somewhat "fun" at stupidly high doses (maybe only if mixed with alc). But overall the recreational aspect does not even begin to compare with my favorite stimulant - MPH or poor man's coke

I predict the first death within the month, soon to be followed by the drug being scheduled. Better grab some before it's too late (obvious irony is irony)!

I hope nobody dies doing this.
And I sure as hell hope that I will not die from it! Even though having taken over 400mg over the course of 7 hours and considering ending with a grand total of 500-550 mg tonight kind of makes me a prime candidate to do so...

 

[crOOk]

We will see what happens. I haven't even read 20% of the reports here. I'm just seeing plenty of reactions and some have gone through very unusual lengths in creating their posts. More importantly - A lot of it is surprisingly well-structured. It all hints at some magic going on on the cognitive and creative side.

Sure, who hopes for someone to die? Also, who wants the media attention? However, I think the first death will happen after some insane drug cocktail, surely not by this drug alone - Highly unlikely anyway. There will probably be a dissociative and a drug from another class involved lol. And dude, there was one guy who apparently took dozens of grams of 2-methoxy-diphetidine. Don't underestimate the fiendishness, recklessness and plain stupidity of tomorrow's criminology journal cover models.

 

[Ziiirp]

Thanks for the extensive report @rrggr. I can relate to everything you wrote (minus the MPH-part ). One should stay below 100mg, otherwise it will escalate into a marathon. I had very similar encounters. In hope, that a well-known stimulant rush is just around the corner, I took more and more, but it never revealed itself. I think investing in 3F-PM is a good way to empty your pockets without providing the (artificial) reward. On the plus side is has (on me) no mental side effects and few obvious physical side effects (does not mean that it can't be highly toxic). The biggest bummer is, that my stomach seems to stop working for 30 hours after high doses, even if I have the munchies. Even with intranasal ROA.

 

[rrggr]

We will see what happens. I haven't even read 20% of the reports here. I'm just seeing plenty of reactions and some have gone through very unusual lengths in creating their posts. More importantly - A lot of it is surprisingly well-structured. It all hints at some magic going on on the cognitive and creative side.

Sure, who hopes for someone to die? Also, who wants the media attention? However, I think the first death will happen after some insane drug cocktail, surely not by this drug alone - Highly unlikely anyway. There will probably be a dissociative and a drug from another class involved lol. And dude, there was one guy who apparently took dozens of grams of 2-methoxy-diphetidine. Don't underestimate the fiendishness, recklessness and plain stupidity of tomorrow's criminology journal cover models.

This post was a rollercoaster ride for me.
First it made me feel noticed.
Then it helped me feel more confident about my binge tonight and added a sense of security.
The last sentence made me lol for a moment until it hit me that this might just as well be me...


On a more on-topic note:
Despite the insane amount fo 3-FPM (at least in comparison to other posters in this thread), which according to my calculation should be around 500 mg or just above that for the past 6 and a half hours, I still feel no uneasiness at all - even though I'm confronting myself with negative thoughts like second-guessing if I didn't take a life-threating amount, reading about lethal endings with other RC's, and seeing you mentioning the possibility of death with 3-FPM.
Honestly, for some weird reason 3-FPM seems to cause a very lighthearted trip. Most people in this thread talked about taking something liek 30-50mg with a redose or two, I think there was one guy who went over 200mg. I'm sitting here with 500mg or so inside my body and just cannor bring myself to worry about it. I've had episodes of uneasiness and "fear" on basically any other drug, I've taken: alc, weed, salvia, MPH, EPH, and benzos. Only shrooms have been similarly kind to me. I did go waaay overboard with them, too, but I had mentally prepared myself for a week beforehand, was in a really positive mood, and was at a great place for a setting with the best possible company for such a trip. On top of that, i have done shrooms only twice, so maybe if given more chances shrooms might have become fiendish at least once to me...

p.s.
I still feel no unpleasant physical (and mental) side-effects. I just checked my heart rate and seems about normal or slightly elevated at most. There is still no jitteriness. Vasoconstriction is still the only noticable effect: my hands and feet are really cold, but it might be at least partially due to the balcony door that has been wide open for the past 6 hours, since I was smoking (cigs) in my room.

p.s.s.
It feels good to have somebody to "talk" to.
It alleviates both the strong urge to do something and the boiled up talkativeness.

Thanks for the extensive report @rrggr. I can relate to everything you wrote (minus the MPH-part ). One should stay below 100mg, otherwise it will escalate into a marathon. I had very similar encounters. In hope, that a well-known stimulant rush is just around the corner, I took more and more, but it never revealed itself. I think investing in 3F-PM is a good way to empty your pockets without providing the (artificial) reward. On the plus side is has (on me) no mental side effects and few obvious physical side effects (does not mean that it can't be highly toxic). The biggest bummer is, that my stomach seems to stop working for 30 hours after high doses, even if I have the munchies. Even with intranasal ROA.

This might be odd, but it makes me genuinely content to know that somebody read my long-ass post (and even more so that it was appreciated).

What do you mean by saying: "my stomach seems to stop working for 30 hours after high doses" ?
Do you have no appetive at all? Do you want to eat, but you cannot because your stomach is extremely upset? Or maybe something entirely different...

I can once again reinforce my opinion that 3-FPM at above moderate doses eliminates the need to eat. As mentioned in my report above there was a 20 hour period of being awake when I actually forgot about food. Today, I had a regular workday, which normally means that I would eat around 5-6 pm after getting back from work and then again around 11-12 pm. Well, at 5 pm I opted for 3-FPM instead of food and ever since the question of "do humans really need to eat ?" has been circling my mind... I cannot imagine myself eating in the foreseable future. Additionally, I cannot myself sleeping any time soon either... I guess tomorrow will not be a productive day...

 

[XEM]

Additionally, I cannot myself sleeping any time soon either... I guess tomorrow will not be a productive day...

Please keep us updated! Also I find the lack of an increase in heart rate really, really bizarre given the other effects of this drug. Like really what the fuck?

 

[XEM]

Also, is it not possible for someone to do some proper scientific testing on the potential toxicity of this drug? Nobody knows a real chemist/someone with some (literal) lab rats? No crowd-funded lab to do research on these new chemicals? No government (e.g. the Netherlands, maybe Switzerland) who thinks it may be a good idea to do research into these new chemicals as they become available in order to prevent unnecessary deaths?

P.S. If anybody takes that last statement and starts a pointless ranting political discussion I will be very very upset and hope you'll be banned.

 

[rrggr]

Please keep us updated! Also I find the lack of an increase in heart rate really, really bizarre given the other effects of this drug.

I'm also really surprised about the lack of increase in heart rate. I "missed" this effect every time I took 3-FPM. Tonight, I'm binging (still at ~ 500mg in the past almost 8 hours), and I still did not feel it. I just measured my heart rate and it is somewhere between 90-110 bpm. I have no idea what my normal heart rate is, but according to a quick google search anything below 100 seems to not be too high. I'm in my mid-twenties, so I assume that my normal resting heart rate should be at the lower spectrum of the 60-100 "normal" bpm count. On the other hand, I am a smoker and my fitness certainly isn't above average, so it might be higher.
Tonight, I not only took a stupid amount of 3-FPM, but also smoked ~15-20 cigs during my "high". Additionally, I've drunk copious amounts of alcohol. All of these should cause an increase in heart rate as far as I'm aware... While it might be slightly elevated, it does not feel abnormal. Caffeine, MPH, and EPH have made me feel worried/bothered about my heart rate. EPH had me seriously worried about my health after a single dose of something between 60-100mg.

I do intend to update on my binge night. I will be checking the forum at least for the next 2 or so hours. Since I can imagine that sleep will remain unattainable tonight, I will probably be around the forum even longer. Tomorrow I am departing for a Christmas vacation, without drugs, computers, alc, and cigs (a good chance to finally kick the habit), so I am not sure when I will be able to update again. It is possible that it will be no earlier than the second week of the new year.

 

[cybergollum]

there still quite obviously, to me, is a degree of mental stimulation left (it's been almost 50 hours since the last dose (52mg, insufflated))

Do you sleep at all these last 50 hours? It actually could be a reason, not a drug. Because deprivation could give such stimulation and force you to write big messages. As for me I didn't feel residual stimulation after a good sleep (or almost didn't feel, now it is hard to say). Actually I was more like sleepy.

 

[LeeviON]

It say that the fluoro atom is really hard to be metabolized if its the right word, maybe it could explain why there is some little effect who stay for so long time compare to his parent phenmetrazine

Sounds like a plausible theory, what do other people think?


Amazing post, rrggr! Thanks

Do you sleep at all that last 50 hours? It actually could be a reason, not a drug. Because deprivation could give such stimulation and force you to write big messages. As for me I didn't feel ANY residual stimulation after a good sleep.

No, I didn't sleep at all, and I felt alert the whole time (didn't doze off, etc.)
I felt the day-after stimulation following the first day of testing, even though I slept for at least five hours that night. When I woke up, it must've been at least ten hours since the last nasal dose, and I felt the residual stimulation more clearly on the first days than later. Upon waking up, I was instantly completely alert, and I'm the type of person who takes ages to wake up.
These effects would hint to me that it's because of the drug and not because of sleep deprivation but who knows

 

[yaksha]

So, I want to impart this experience to you guys so you can consider it carefully. I'm not sure if what I've gone through has more to do with true exhaustion than a side effect of this drug, so take what I say with a grain of salt and please bear in mind that even getting solid sleep, while simultaneously listening to a baby scream, means that one isn't really getting any rest.

Over the past 3 days, I have felt progressively more run down. On Wednesday I only consumed a few small squirt doses of this stuff, and my daughter was up most of the night. I had woken up tired as hell Wednesday morning, and the two small squirts in the AM and two in the PM carried me effortlessly through my day. I ended up giving my saline bottle away Wednesday evening, because I knew my "Snoot" brand measured spray bottles were coming, and my friend, who's about to run out of their script of Adderall early, needed it more than me.

When I woke up after 4 hours Thursday morning, I felt deliriously tired, no amount of coffee could contend, my muscles ached, my back throbbed, I was barely able to get myself to work, and only did so with my eyes half open. The entire day was an endless shit show, I'm frankly unsure how I managed to make it through. I was far more dysfunctional than I would have expected from the sleep I got, and I attribute it in part to some sort of withdrawal/detox from FPM. If the others on here who have taken it with some regularity could weigh in.

Do you also notice a massive level of exhaustion, not on par with the amount of sleep you received?
Having never been prone to withdrawal symptoms from any drugs, I live in fear of not knowing what they feel like, and I wonder if that's what this is. Alternately I wonder if the drug is putting undo stress on my system and causing this extended recovery period.

I did get my Snoot in today and put 500mg/20ML so each spray is 25mg, I took 75mg this morning nasally and feel functional, but not particularly high, It seems as if the refraction period is over, and the residual stimulation is gone, so I'm back to getting the base stimulation I got on day one, another sign to me that the drug cleared my system and potentiated the physical symptoms.

 

[cybergollum]

As I understand when one abuse any of dophamine/noradrenaline/etc. releasers (no matter, coffeine, amphetamine or phenmetrazine) on daily basis one will 100% get more and more tired especially if he didn't sleep and/or eat enough. Depend on dosage of course.

If anyone's wondering today (6th day if count from two-days marathon, or 5th day if count last dose which was at Sunday evening) I feel 95% at baseline in terms of tiredness. And this is normal as for me, other stimulants/empathogens has similar recovery time.

I ended up giving my saline bottle away Wednesday evening

massive level of exhaustion

I took 75mg this morning

Taking in account what you wrote (and my experience) I would suggest you to take a break ('cold turkey' of course) for a week. Or at least for 3-4 days. And everything will be fine I hope.
Of course if you haven't any other health issues/dependencies at this moment, and if you are not too old (sorry if this sounds offensive, actually I have no idea how old you should be to respond my 'too old' term; if this matter, I am 26).