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2C-X & 4-MMC combinations

well 15 mg for me personally is rather borderline and as I said this is my personal experience perhaps I should recommend someone start with 5 mg 2ci and work up. I find 10 mg 2ce to be wonderful but 40 mg was a mind fuck so it's fairly clear that I'm not advising large doses. The 2ci 40 mg and 80 mg MXE was a profound and difficult experience and something I'd never advise the inexperienced. As for the 2c-t-7 it's horrible shit worse than 2cp but not very common or at least not as common as it once was. 2c-t-7 is something I found to be rather crap in terms of psychedelic experience, body load (heart etc) and generally something I assume most people would avoid like the plague I only ever used a 50 mg sample and that turned me right off. Some people strangely enjoy the stuff so different strokes for different folks. I'd not advise say a dose of 100mg MXE and 200 mg MDAI that has proven fatal to at least 1 guy.

Perhaps I'm to used to chatting with people that use say 250 mg MDPV in a 8-10 hour session combined with phenazepam which is just crazy and even they admit that it's crazy. It's like doing LSD daily 1-2 tabs for a week, what happens? You don't get any effect period. 2ci is just an average PEA to me nothing special at all BTW the 2ci I had was 96% GCMS tested so if yours was 98% I guess the stuff I got was weaker but what the hey. For example I find LSD boring with minimal subjective effects 25B Nbome I find 550 ugs a heavy experience but after a few doses your tolerance builds and the stuff that had you floored now gives minimal experience. DMT + MAOI almost always has me spewing my ring out but it's more of a purgative experience now for me. Same as Cacti extract mescalin makes me puke and purge with a greatly reduced psychoactive experience. Perhaps I have experimented a little to much and to often with all kinds of drugs and combinations. That is why I'm trying a different approach to life sobriety :).
 
babylonboy said:
Yes, it is that bad, it's fucking horrible. Why would I snort ethylphenidate if its even worse and also a shit drug?
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Exactly EP= shit drug and shit for your nose. Do you like to eat raw chilies, I do. So I find snorting 2c's to be a mild inconvenience at best if it hurts to much don't do it. Mostly I like to snort 2cb it's the least painful in my experience. Note I rail up first then go oral for each subsequent dose. Also I'm really enjoying peoples comments re: insufflation of 2c's ;)!
 
Yeah you and I seem to have a very high threshold for psychedelics and possibly even naturally high tolerance issues but I've given 2C-I to friends and their experience was the same as mine - stimulating to the point of being uncomfortable.

The odd thing is that the 38mg dose I did was actually the best experience I ever had with the stuff. Some of these chems are weird.

As for 2C-T-7, I agree with you. I mean, I used to eat 5-MeO-AMT like it was going out of style (I'd go on 24-36 hour plateaus by continually redosing, I'd start off at 20+mg, it was insanity) and I did 2C-T-7 twice before I decided it wasn't for me. The first time should have been the last - when I was coming up on 2C-T-7 in the US, the earthquakes were starting in Japan and by the time I peaked, Fukishima was destroyed. If that wasn't a sign, I don't know what is but I did it again anyway. Both times I was so intoxicated that I had periods where I just straight up blacked out and I don't even tend to do that on alcohol or high doses of benzos!

I never touched PV... I had a sample and it never made it out of the bag. I was never really a stimulant type though and considering that I have had psychosis before (PCP break), PV didn't sound like fun at all to me.

My 2C-I was lab-tested at 99.41% so it was stronger but not by enough to make a large difference. I agree with you about LSD being boring but 25C at 700 ug blew me out of this world. I haven't tried any other NBOMe's

Right there on the sobriety train too. Haven't even had a drink since September 14th and I'm tapering off of my Valium as well. Once I'm off the Valium, I'll have my first truly sober day since 2004. Mind-boggling.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Yeah you and I seem to have a very high threshold for psychedelics and possibly even naturally high tolerance issues but I've given 2C-I to friends and their experience was the same as mine - stimulating to the point of being uncomfortable.

The odd thing is that the 38mg dose I did was actually the best experience I ever had with the stuff. Some of these chems are weird.

As for 2C-T-7, I agree with you. I mean, I used to eat 5-MeO-AMT like it was going out of style (I'd go on 24-36 hour plateaus by continually redosing, I'd start off at 20+mg, it was insanity) and I did 2C-T-7 twice before I decided it wasn't for me. The first time should have been the last - when I was coming up on 2C-T-7 in the US, the earthquakes were starting in Japan and by the time I peaked, Fukishima was destroyed. If that wasn't a sign, I don't know what is but I did it again anyway. Both times I was so intoxicated that I had periods where I just straight up blacked out and I don't even tend to do that on alcohol or high doses of benzos!

I never touched PV... I had a sample and it never made it out of the bag. I was never really a stimulant type though and considering that I have had psychosis before (PCP break), PV didn't sound like fun at all to me.

My 2C-I was lab-tested at 99.41% so it was stronger but not by enough to make a large difference. I agree with you about LSD being boring but 25C at 700 ug blew me out of this world. I haven't tried any other NBOMe's

Right there on the sobriety train too. Haven't even had a drink since September 14th and I'm tapering off of my Valium as well. Once I'm off the Valium, I'll have my first truly sober day since 2004. Mind-boggling.
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Wow that would have been mind blowing tripping hard out on 2c-t-7 while all that insanity was happening! Would have been like the apocalypse watching all that drama unfold while on large doses of potent psychedelics!! Farkkk! Black outs from 2c-t-7 that is nuts. I think I had one dabble and flushed the rest don't even recall how much I had just though nah this fucking sucks and into the crapper with it. Always do that with substances I find just nasty. I've flushed Ethylphenidate, MDPV, aPVP, 3,4 CTMP, 2c-t-7, loads of synthetic weed chems (Got hooked at one point but after they banned AM 2201 the next chems gave me seizures, put me right off) Shitty cocaine, Aussie coke is garbage, it was a free "sample" I think my mate was trying to get me to buy more but when it tastes like gasoline fuck no!

25c is by far my favorite Nbome and 1.2 mg combined with 20 mg TMA-2 gave me the STRONGEST OEV of any substance. All I could see was sphere's stretching into eternity right through the walls so solid I felt I could touch them but I was floored, a little to intense. TMA2 by itself is very stimulating and slightly euphoric almost not psychedelic but I suspect it's a very potent MAOI as I was taking up to 2.4 mg 25c Nbome on a weekend just kicking back watching movies with my GF or hanging with my mates and did not have such a crazy trip before or since. So I guess my tolerance and the fact I've used 4MMC a hell of a lot and combined it with all kinds of chems is something I didn't take into account when suggesting dosages.

It seems the OP has taken 10 mg 2ci and 10 mg 4MMC so he's doing the smart thing. I would advise having a benzo though just in case of any cardiac/blood pressure surprises. Also NEVER combine MDPV with anything other than a benzo better yet never touch MDPV or aPVP or the multitude of peevee analogues out there. Start out low go slow as you can always have more but never take it back.

Actually a former friend and meth addict would call me up to come over and babysit his son. I knew he'd hit me up for something when I arrived so once I bought 2 x 15 mg cap of 2ci with me (he was expecting MDPV or 4MMC). It was a good laugh but I think a little to overwhelming for him in terms of the psychedelic aspect. He said a few days later "I don't like your drugs they are to much like schizophrenia." This coming from a guy who dealt meth and thought 2-3 hours sleep a night for 5-6 days was ok? Also he thought taking a benzo was "A waste of gear, fucking tablets to come up and tablets to come down what the fuck are ya doing?" was his comment re: benzo's. I have a job and an apartment. Last I heard he was evicted from the shed he, his son and GF had been living in for failing to pay rent. This is what drug abuse can lead to so if your getting beyond exploration and it's habitual time to give it up.
 
To be honest, I almost LOL'd at his calling 2C-I like schizophrenia... because I gave doses to friends of mine and they likened it to losing their minds.

The funny thing that I've noticed though is that the men in my group all hated 2C-I, myself included, but loved 2C-E and the women hated 2C-E but loved 2C-I. It made for an interesting dynamic at tripping house parties - the men talking about the energy of the universe and having group hallucinations while the women ran around like sex-charged idiots with each other. O_o

I don't know, sometimes I miss my research chemical days but other days I'm like... nahhh, I'm over putting my life on the line like that.

Its amazing what 10 years will do to someone. Didn't care when I was 19 what I put in my body now I'm 29 and if it isn't mescaline or proven pure MDxx, get it away from me.

With all that said though, if I ever gained access to the cylindrical crystal MMC that used to be available in the Springs, Indian origin, 99% confirmed purity with GC/MS, NMR... Yeah they ordered it by the kilo and I got like 50g of it in trade for what was left of my aMT and 4-AcO-DMT. I don't think I could turn down M1 or MMC (especially M1, I like it better than MDA which says a lot as I'm not terribly fond of MDMA unless I do so much of it that it becomes a lot like MDA lol) so maybe its a good thing that not only do I not have contact with those two anymore but the lab destroyed their stuff when everything started to go sketch with it here in the states.
 
M1 urrrghhh. There it is the difference in subjective effects of substances on different users I hate M1. It's good to have someone who works in a lab with access to said equipment for "calibration" purposes ;). I love all 2c's except 2cp (experienced a few months back and never again) and the previously mentioned 2c-t-7. (shivers run up spine...)
 
The M1 that I was getting was the bomb... It was crystalline M1, ultra pure stuff that was synthed by a now-defunct lab in EU. The stuff was simply magical. I actually had a ++++ on it. And it was definitely M1, I was known to binge on M1 more than MMC until I got the cylinder stuff that you had to pulverize to get it to absorb, I went nuts with that MMC.

My favorite was taking the two and bombing them together. 1:2 ratio of M1:MMC and it was the closest thing I could find to an MDA type experience besides MDAI with M1.

As for the 2C's, I used to prefer tryptamines over phens because phens were usually too stimulating for me but that flipped when I got into methylone and MMC. The only tryptamines I would do were the 4-substituted ones (even then I only had 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT and I hated 4-AcO but did MET all the time) and occasionally AMT while my chem box was filled with vials of every 2C, multiple types of M1, my big ass bottle of mescaline HCl, and of course my big bottles of MMC.
 
MagickalKat777 ever get into the apb's? I favor them over even pure rock crystal 4MEC any day. To be honest I like 5 apb and 6 apb or the combo of both 50/60 or 60/70 mg per pellet can't recall more than MDMA and MDA I guess cause it's like a new toy, till you over do it and end up with serotonin syndrome mid winter in paris....
There were PMAA pellets getting around at first loads of hospital admissions. Then came the 5 apdb 6 apdb (both yuck although 6 apdb showed some promise) then came the 5 apb and 6 apb (both great and even better combined!! next the 5 MAPB (not that special) 6 MAPB and now the 5 EAPB (shitty). Mmmmm Just had a bump of MXE lovely, lovely stuff very nice gear...
 
I avoided all of the APBs and such because of how expensive they were and because at the time, I had a crapload of M1 and MMC to play with. I've heard some rather disturbing reports about the various APB, EAPB, MAPB, APDBs that put me off ever wanting to try them. I don't know, I want to get some MXE for an occasional fun ride but I am at a point in my life where I just don't want to mess with my head anymore. I'm thankful for all of the wonderful chemicals I have gotten to experience but I don't know if its the 10mL of Delsym I take every day or what to aid in my taper but I don't have any real interest in any substances, not even alcohol, and I was quite the alcoholic for the past ... shit, 12 years?

I still find them all to be fascinating and I love learning about new compounds and helping others with my experience but it isn't really my cup of tea anymore. I think you get to a point where you realize that these chemicals are just more of the same all the time and get burnt out. There is also the fact that I just quite simply have other priorities than getting high for the first time since I was like 17 years old.
 
Well said and congrats on staying sober. Never been a drinker more just a tripper but I have had my own demons as I'm sure many BL's have also experienced. I just like to try a few when I can get my mitts on them but with minimal tolerance and a relatively short time frame (overseas holidays) sometimes makes for disaster like my serotonin toxicity in mid winter Paris combined with food poisoning. Lucky I had the common sense to have a few etizolams and a box of paracetamol 500 mg (for the temperature spikes) codeine 25 mg (OTC french panadine almost as strong as panadine forte!) MXE is very special and although quite pricey in my part of the world I still get a little bit now and again for myself and my GF. Just say 200 mg or so for a special occasion like Carl Cox spinning the wheels of steel here in a few weeks!!! Can't wait. way off topic now but yeah Id NEVER combine apb's with any 2cx or 4 MMC. 100 mg 6apb was amazing 200 mg even better 300mg 5 hours after the first dose and I was looking like the Hoff eating a burger drunk except I was licking my travel bag on the floor of my hotel room????
 
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