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2C-X & 4-MMC combinations

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Ive taken 2c-i a few times and have figured that based on what I have 20mg oral is enough for a good enjoyable not overwhelming trip at all.

So I tried 4mmc yesterday for the first time and, uhm, wow, now I see what all the rage was about.

I want to combine either 2c-e or 2c-i with the 4mmc, but Ive only come across people dropping a bomb of 4mmc and the 2c at the same time.

I plan to bomb 150-200mg of meph and bump 50mg every hour (if needed) but I thought that maybe doing that for a bit and then throwing in the 2c by insufflating it would throw one hell of a fun enjoyable curveball to the high.

I never did figure out what a good dose for the 2c-e I have is, highest I got was 16mg oral and that was pretty baseline (I assume not the best stuff), but I was thinking 10mg of 2c-i/e would make for an enjoyable time? Maybe a little less, as I assume the two drugs work with each other a little?
 
I find phenethylamines pretty stimulating already, so I'd definitely lower the dose a little on both the 2c-x and 4-mmc.
 
what do you think about starting the 2c a few hours into starting the meph? I liked the meph on its own a lot and dont want to cloud it up right away, I figured taking it mixed in with a bump later on would allow me to kinda roll out the night on both, given that by snorting the 2c it shouldn't peak for more than an hour or two.

2ci is pretty stimmy to me as well.. I do need to try 2c-e again, but that first experience with it kinda left it on my cold shoulder if that makes sense.
 
Okay, not so hypothetically speaking I went ahead anyway

40 mins ago I dosed 10mg 2c-i and 30mg meph together, instead of my 50mg meph top up..

At this point in time I am floored and this was in all ways a great idea
 
added here for reference: 3:30am 10mg 2c-e 10mg 4mmc taken

nero welcome to reality is winding down.. went for a walk when it started.. my fucking.. god.. magical.

I'll be sure to try and post a report.. as there isnt much on the combination that I managed to find.

and uhm

yeah round two.. three? four??8o
 
For your future reference a good dose of 2c-e is around 15mg, your stuff may not be that good.
I did 20mg this summer an was blasted, 25mg the summer before and was completely gone hahaha
 
I would seriously caution mixing 2C-I with 4-MMC... 2C-I is a vasoconstrictor on its own as is 4-MMC and both of them tend to cause fluid retention (renal) issues as well as significant CNS stimulation - my resting pulse on 2C-I was around 100 BPM and this was back when I was in great physical shape because I walked everywhere and had a normal resting of 65 BPM. 4-MMC never caused me to have a big spike until I was coming down when it was inevitable that I aborted the come down either with more 4-MMC or benzos and a few shots...

You're treading in deep water mixing phens with mephedrone for sure. Just be safe. Keep some benzos around just in case or hard alcohol as a last resort barring the availability of benzos.

As for the 2C-E comments, 2C-E is extremely variable... I've had a full blown ++++ from 10mg and the most I ever took was 32mg which was a very strong +++ - with 2C-E, less is more, lower dose trips always messed me up more than higher dose trips although the visuals on high dose 2C-E were much more organized than the lower doses but less frequent. Its an odd drug.
 
Just rail it all up the 2cx and the 4 MMC. Expect burning but this is not so bad compared to say Ethylphenidate. Kind of like snorting mustard with the 2c's and some other mescaline analogues ie allyescaline etc. Maybe bomb 50 mg of 4 MMC 20-30 minutes prior to snorting whatever the dose of 4MMC and 2cx is. Pain is only 5 minutes maybe 10 max although this ROA will hit you like a brick. Then redose oral 4 MMC every 3 hours or so intra-nasal every 1-2 hours with a lower dose than oral. Depending on the 2c in question I'd redose 2cb at 3-4 hours intra-nasal and 2cd. 2cc say 5-6 hours and the rest I'd probably not bother snorting as they last a while and I'd mix any subsequent doses of 2ce/2ci etc in a drink as your already there. I dislike 2cp so I'd say avoid this one just don't enjoy it and get some sketchy feelings with my heart etc.

This combination (2cx 4MMC) is quite enjoyable indeed if you dose correctly and it's also fairly safe so enjoy :)! For HR and myself I keep a few benzo's on hand but this combination say 2cb and 4 MMC is quite safe and nothing compared to some other combinations (MPA and MDPV fucking scary). Also dissociative drugs and psychedelics can cause serotonin syndrome so be careful experimenting with these. I'd probably do 15 mg 2ci with 5 mg diazepam as 2ci gives me some muscle cramps and benzo's really help. Some suggest magnesium but this won't help heart rate. Added to 75 mg oral 4 MMC and a line (with the 2ci/2cb/2cwhatever mixed into it) of say 50 mg 4 MMC 30 minutes after the oral dose. At some point I'd take a small oral dose of benzo's if I felt the need, safety first. Then every 2-3 hours another bump of 4 MMC or slightly larger oral dose. Don't overdo it I'd max out at say 250-300 mg 4 MMC over several hours. You can have an awful comedown that is super depressing from 4 MMC if you overdo it. Also 2-3 x 20 mg doses of 2cb one intra-nasal and one/two oral would be the maximum 2c dose. You can go higher with 2cd but if you feel your heart pounding or ringing in your ears it's time for a benzo and nothing more!

I'd not use Etoh (booze) it's a diuretic and a mild vaso dilator however excessive consumption has the opposite effect and it also interacts with the liver and kidneys as they attempt to break down the 4 MMC and 2cx. 4 MMC is a diuretic in itself as are most stimulant drugs hence why you need to pee more frequently when on said substances. Some people are different however and may retain fluid (like the difficulty peeing on MDMA as an example) I don't find this with the 2c's or 4 MMC but everyone is different so possibly have a trial run of say 50 mg 4MMC and 15 mg 2ci as a one off one day and assess your subjective reactions to the combination before going higher.

BTW 40 mg 2ce is mind fuck territory be sure to have at least 2-4 mg xanax on hand. Oh and it was very pure 2ce BTW always be cautious as you can have more but if you have to much you can't take it away. I have lots of experience with 2cx's in combination with MANY different substances, Hell I have many experiences with psychedelic combinations of tryptamines, PEA's, dissociatives usually say a PEA and dissociative or tryptamine and PEA or all three or stimulants with one or more. I must urge caution however with higher doses and ALWAYS have a benzo handy this will lower pulse rate, reduce vasoconstriction and anxiety. 80 mg MXE and 40 mg 2ci was a profound experience but not one for someone unprepared for that level of psychedelic insanity, also no benzo's were needed for that trip.
 
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Don't snort 2Cs. It fucking hurts. Really fucking hurts. Like getting kicked in the nose. Or stung by a hornet.
 
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Just rail it all up the 2cx and the 4 MMC. Expect burning but this is not so bad compared to say Ethylphenidate. Kind of like snorting mustard with the 2c's and some other mescaline analogues ie allyescaline etc. Maybe bomb 50 mg of 4 MMC 20-30 minutes prior to snorting whatever the dose of 4MMC and 2cx is. Pain is only 5 minutes maybe 10 max although this ROA will hit you like a brick. Then redose oral 4 MMC every 3 hours or so intra-nasal every 1-2 hours with a lower dose than oral. Depending on the 2c in question I'd redose 2cb at 3-4 hours intra-nasal and 2cd. 2cc say 5-6 hours and the rest I'd probably not bother snorting as they last a while and I'd mix any subsequent doses of 2ce/2ci etc in a drink as your already there. I dislike 2cp so I'd say avoid this one just don't enjoy it and get some sketchy feelings with my heart etc.

This combination (2cx 4MMC) is quite enjoyable indeed if you dose correctly and it's also fairly safe so enjoy :)! For HR and myself I keep a few benzo's on hand but this combination say 2cb and 4 MMC is quite safe and nothing compared to some other combinations (MPA and MDPV fucking scary). Also dissociative drugs and psychedelics can cause serotonin syndrome so be careful experimenting with these. I'd probably do 15 mg 2ci with 5 mg diazepam as 2ci gives me some muscle cramps and benzo's really help. Some suggest magnesium but this won't help heart rate. Added to 75 mg oral 4 MMC and a line (with the 2ci/2cb/2cwhatever mixed into it) of say 50 mg 4 MMC 30 minutes after the oral dose. At some point I'd take a small oral dose of benzo's if I felt the need, safety first. Then every 2-3 hours another bump of 4 MMC or slightly larger oral dose. Don't overdo it I'd max out at say 250-300 mg 4 MMC over several hours. You can have an awful comedown that is super depressing from 4 MMC if you overdo it. Also 2-3 x 20 mg doses of 2cb one intra-nasal and one/two oral would be the maximum 2c dose. You can go higher with 2cd but if you feel your heart pounding or ringing in your ears it's time for a benzo and nothing more!

I'd not use Etoh (booze) it's a diuretic and a mild vaso dilator however excessive consumption has the opposite effect and it also interacts with the liver and kidneys breaking down the 4 MMC and 2cx. 4 MMC is a diuretic in itself as are most stimulant drugs hence why you need to pee more frequently when on said substances. Some people are different however and may retain fluid (like the difficulty peeing on MDMA as an example) I don't find this with the 2c's or 4 MMC but everyone is different so possibly have a trial run of say 50 mg 4MMC and 15 mg 2ci as a one off one day and assess your subjective reactions to the combination before going higher.

BTW 40 mg 2ce is mind fuck territory be sure to have at least 2-4 mg xanax on hand. Oh and it was very pure 2ce BTW always be cautious as you can have more but if you have to much you can't take it away. I have lots of experience with 2cx's in combination with MANY different substances, Hell I have many experiences with psychedelic combinations of tryptamines, PEA's, dissociatives usually say a PEA and dissociative or tryptamine and PEA or all three or stimulants with one or more. I must urge caution however with higher doses and ALWAYS have a benzo handy this will lower pulse rate, reduce vasoconstriction and anxiety. 80 mg MXE and 40 mg 2ci was a profound experience but not one for someone unprepared for that level of psychedelic insanity, also no benzo's were needed for that trip.
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There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start so I'll let someone else do it.

What I will say though is that SAFE doesn't belong anywhere in the same sentence as 4-MMC and to think otherwise makes you an idiot.
 
Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but i have a very similar question.
I would love to try 2c-c an 3-mmc. But Im a bit concerned cause there isnt much information about 3-mmc available. Infact most people dont like it that much (in contras to me). I dont have recognised any serious side effects. It is propably one of the best stimulants Ive tried (and it makes me even hornier than meth).
I planned to start with a mild dose 2c-c (~20mg) and then start of snorting 20mg 3-mmc. If all is well go for another 20mg and so on. But i wont go over 100mg 3-mmc.
I do have benzos on hand, if it gets to stimulating or bad in some way.

What do you think? Is this relatively save, or should i dont mix those two?
 
a tree said:
Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but i have a very similar question.
I would love to try 2c-c an 3-mmc. But Im a bit concerned cause there isnt much information about 3-mmc available. Infact most people dont like it that much (in contras to me). I dont have recognised any serious side effects. It is propably one of the best stimulants Ive tried (and it makes me even hornier than meth).
I planned to start with a mild dose 2c-c (~20mg) and then start of snorting 20mg 3-mmc. If all is well go for another 20mg and so on. But i wont go over 100mg 3-mmc.
I do have benzos on hand, if it gets to stimulating or bad in some way.

What do you think? Is this relatively save, or should i dont mix those two?
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2C-C never really had much of the stimulation that the other 2C's did not to mention that it has a very low potency and 3-MMC is less stressful on the heart than 4-MMC and those doses are both rather low so as long as you're not snorting the 2C-C, I would say that's actually a good way to test the waters. It is a lot less reckless than what has been mentioned in regards to 4-MMC and 2C combinations all the way around. Make sure to make a trip report to document it and add it to the Trip Reports forum though since information on 3-MMC is pretty scarce.
 
4MMC and a low dose PEA are fairly safe as far as any cathinone PEA combination can be. Abuse of 4MMC has been shown to cause heart valve defects but it's not as nasty as 4MEC which causes defects and heart function irregularities. You want dangerous just add MDPV to anything. Your not likely to die from 20 mg 2cb + 50 mg 4 MMC with a few top ups of 4MMC and a benzo on hand + hydration etc. 2ci I'd stick to 15 mg and just use 4 MMC as per usual dose 50 mg every 3 hours for a max of 2-3 doses. Saying any drug is safe really makes us all fucking idiots cause they all can kill if abused or OD etc. Did you know that a beta-blocker used to treat tachycardia for cathinones such as 4MMC and even MDPV will kill you due to increased stroke volume and decreased heart rate, although the heart rate will still be pounding along causing stoke, heart failure etc?

A benzo relaxes the cardiac tissue reduces stroke volume and heart rate I suggest if doing these combo's start low and go were you please taking into account YOUR BODY WILL TELL YOU ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Also start small as a larger dose may just OD you. You can always gradually take more but if you take to much you can never take it back. Some people wish to push the boundaries and safety is paramount. If you dislike 4MMC I'd hate to see what you think of 5 meo mipt. All this said I'm speaking from personal experience and there are far more dangerous drug combinations out there. I've pushed the envelope as far as I care to and if others wish to do the same tread with caution, however 4MMC and 2cb, 2cd are quite benign compared to say 100mg MPA and 60 mg MDPV or 50 mg 3 meo pcp and 100mg methamphetamine for example.

As for the 3MMC it's possibly as or even more cardio-toxic than 4MMC. Please ensure you have a benzo and experiment as you feel comfortable any heart flutters/palpitations etc stop.

Additt: M1 aka 4-MEC or whatever is very nasty on the heart and combined with mescaline and 4-MMC would be a nasty experience. 3-MMC is less cardio stimulating than 4-MMC but there have been some reports indicating irregular cardiac function (palpitations etc) after using 3-MMC. 3-MMC is the new 4-MMC in much of the EU I've never touched it as last trip to UK/EU it was not all that available and I got stuck into the MXE and 5 APB, 5 APDB, 6 APB, aMT, camphetamine (what a fucking waste of money just a nasty stim with extreme heart palpitations and vaso-constriction one that was flushed for sure) and etizolam (lovely). 4-MEC is just bad news especially at "recreational doses" and a drug almost as crap as ethylphenidate. 4MMC is probably the best of the cathinones (I like MCAT but have not seen it in years) unless 3 MMC proves to be less of a problem re: cardiac issues. I also have to add excessive use of drugs that target the 5htp receptor sites have been proven to cause heart issues sauch as carcinoid syndrome, in which excessive serotonin is produced endogenously creating valvular disease and pulmonary hypertension. This can lead to heart attacks, strokes, ectopic cardiac beat (not a big issue but may lead to complications if abuse continues) and other cardiac irregularities.
 
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15mg of 2C-I is not a "low dose" is my main complaint. At least the 2C-I that I got back in 2006. While I took it at up to 38mg, that was me... I've seen 15mg overstimulate someone to the point that he just wouldn't sit still and finally had to go jog around the corner a few times to get some of the stimulation out. Its more stimulating than meth to me and many others that I know. And its never wise to suggest someone snort a 2C - they burn like hell and lets not forget about all of the overdoses, out of control situations, and then the 2C-T-7 deaths that resulted from insufflation or 2C's and 2C-T's.

More power to you if you can handle the overstimulation but a lot of people can't. I couldn't imagine any dose of 2C-I with 4-MMC. It sounds to me like the 2C-I batches floating around now are weak as hell like the 2C-E batches were around 2009.

EDIT: By the way, sorry for being condescending... I'm not new to drug combinations - my most ridiculous combination was 38mg of 2C-I in the morning (it was the last of my bottle so I said fuck it), 30mg of 4-AcO-MiPT near the end of that, another 20mg of 4-AcO-MiPT, 18mg of 4-HO-MiPT and then 50mg of 2C-C. I didn't sleep for almost 2 days and my heart was not even slightly amused. That pretty much tied with my 2C-T-2, 2C-D, 4-HO-DiPT, and DMT combo for a list of stupid things never to do again. The only thing I ever mixed 4-MMC with was M1 (I did this a LOT) and mescaline (this was one time and it was EXTREMELY rough on my heart where mescaline had never been rough on my heart before) - after the mescaline disaster (my resting pulse was 160 with spikes up to 180 and 30mg of Valium later, it was still 140 for the next 10 hours), I kept to the methylone and MMC combo and I was careful with that too.
 
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Nah it's not that bad try snorting ethylphenidate. It does bring tears to ones eyes but it doesn't feel like your nose has been blasted with caustic soda aka EP.
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Yes, it is that bad, it's fucking horrible. Why would I snort ethylphenidate if its even worse and also a shit drug?
 
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