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Phenethylamines [2C-T-2 subthread] - Comparisons to Other Substances

few 2c-t-2 Questions

I'm about to get my hands on this substance. First question, I've taken 2c-i, 2c-e, mescaline, and DOB; How does this substance compare to those? Second, Has anyone ever mixed this substance with LSD and at what levels?
 
I believe that there is a degree of MAO inhibition with this substance - therefore research accordingly. Please link whatever info (assumming it's worthwhile ) you find please.

I'd be cautious about this combo with LSD.
 
I think you'll find it very similar to 2c-i. It's definitely a good reference point.

My first experience with it (t-2) was a little disappointing (my own fault - tolerance issues...) but still pleasant. I over-compensated the next time and had a very rough start, but the whole trip had a really enjoyable "sheen" to it.

Since I got it right, I've been very pleased with this material. I'd say it's not as intense/introspective as 2c-e. I can't compare it too well with 2c-i since I only tried that once, but I'd put them in the same class together.

I have combined t-2 with 2c-b and while it was a good time too, I honestly couldn't notice individual traits of either. Basically it was a higher than normal dose of a phen for me.

My advice would be to treat it about the same way as 2c-i and go from there.
 
How does this compound (2C-T-2) compare with 2C-T-7 ?
Could someone point me to a good comparison between the two ?
 
Basically as far as my experience tells me, T-2 is centered on mental/ego processes, and T-7 is focused on emotional processes. I find T-2 to be far more classically psychedelic in the mental sense. T-2 produces a euphoria but it's like a sense of "everything is right and good". it's a very calm state once you get past the come-up which can be very unpleasant. I use it for tripping alone with my eyes closed and delving into my mind. T-7 on the other hand is very revealing about emotional states and produces a strong euphoria and excitement. I find T-2 more useful for psychedelic work and T-7 more useful for recreation and crazy intense trips.

Visually the two share a common signature but are quite different. T-2 gives me clear, colorless visuals. With closed eyes it creates a visual representation of the conscious and subconscious processes going on in your brain/ego. With open eyes it creates a whole lot of swirly and distorted textures. It distorts quite a bit but its value is mainly in closed eyes in my experience. T-7 produces insanely bright and intense and colorful open-eye visuals. It basically makes the world come alive with colored swirls and blobs, sometimes to the point that it's impossible to tell what you're looking at. I haven't felt like it had much value or lasting interest with closed eyes, at least compared to open eyes (in direct contrast with T-2).

T-7 is much less "intellectual" in my experience. I prefer T-2 but if I were wanting to simply have fun I would choose T-7. T-2 is the thiolated version of 2C-E and T-7 is the thiolated v ersion of 2C-P, and they seem to share characteristics with their counterparts, but are also dignificantly different in character.
 
I only have a couple experiences with each, but wow... that was spot on!

Also, 2ct2 has a considerably shorter duration at around 6hrs for me while 2ct7 was more like 10 to 12 hours.
 
Xorkoth said:
T-2 is the thiolated version of 2C-E and T-7 is the thiolated v ersion of 2C-P, and they seem to share characteristics with their counterparts, but are also dignificantly different in character.
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Kinda sorta. Carbon and sulfur have relatively the same electronegativity and share electrons equally; due to the similar electron configuration they may be more like 2c-p and 2c-bu (butyl), although the probably causes other interesting interactions that are yet to be characterized (eg MAO inhibition). I suspect, though long lasting, 2c-bu may yet also be a winner albeit festival duration in length.
 
Xorkoth said:
Basically as far as my experience tells me, T-2 is centered on mental/ego processes, and T-7 is focused on emotional processes. I find T-2 to be far more classically psychedelic in the mental sense. T-2 produces a euphoria but it's like a sense of "everything is right and good". it's a very calm state once you get past the come-up which can be very unpleasant. I use it for tripping alone with my eyes closed and delving into my mind. T-7 on the other hand is very revealing about emotional states and produces a strong euphoria and excitement. I find T-2 more useful for psychedelic work and T-7 more useful for recreation and crazy intense trips.

Visually the two share a common signature but are quite different. T-2 gives me clear, colorless visuals. With closed eyes it creates a visual representation of the conscious and subconscious processes going on in your brain/ego. With open eyes it creates a whole lot of swirly and distorted textures. It distorts quite a bit but its value is mainly in closed eyes in my experience. T-7 produces insanely bright and intense and colorful open-eye visuals. It basically makes the world come alive with colored swirls and blobs, sometimes to the point that it's impossible to tell what you're looking at. I haven't felt like it had much value or lasting interest with closed eyes, at least compared to open eyes (in direct contrast with T-2).

T-7 is much less "intellectual" in my experience. I prefer T-2 but if I were wanting to simply have fun I would choose T-7. T-2 is the thiolated version of 2C-E and T-7 is the thiolated v ersion of 2C-P, and they seem to share characteristics with their counterparts, but are also dignificantly different in character.
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Thank you. That was very precise and clear.
Would it be dangerous to mix the two together ? Say one took 10mg of each, wouldn't that be an insane trip both focused on emotions and on the ego? :)
 
That's an interesting observation, melodious techno goes good with the thio... Haha, we're such nerds here.

Yeah, to get back on topic... I've been intrigued by 2C-T-2 ever since I noted that it's structurally related to 2C-E. Can anybody who has tried both of these chemicals shed some light on this possible connection? I love 2C-E, it's probably my favorite RC and close to my favorite psychedelic in general (Mushrooms are of course first, LSD a close second...) So if 2C-T-2 rivals it's mental clarity and lucidity I will be greatly pleased :) Sorry if this question has already been asked, I haven't looked through the thread thoroughly.
 
Had a small sample of 2-C-T-2 a lil while back and enjoyed it hugely. Am not entirely sure what dose it was, but nothing outrageous to be sure. Being an oinking drugpig of the highest order, I used it in combination with LSD first time I sampled it. This produced what were probably the most intense visuals I have ever seen on anything and a surprisingly clear headspace. Very pleasing indeed. Second time was with a smaller dose taken without other psyches and was disappointingly disappointing - purely down to underdosing, I suspect.

I would tend to agree with JackARoe with the "speedy acid" thing... although I was on acid too so perhaps my memory is misleading... Anyhoo, was a very enjoyable substance that would be great to cross paths with again :)

Aphex Twin sounded great on it, incidentally. Dicky D sounds amazing on anything though :D
 
General Patton said:
That's an interesting observation, melodious techno goes good with the thio... Haha, we're such nerds here.

Yeah, to get back on topic... I've been intrigued by 2C-T-2 ever since I noted that it's structurally related to 2C-E. Can anybody who has tried both of these chemicals shed some light on this possible connection? I love 2C-E, it's probably my favorite RC and close to my favorite psychedelic in general (Mushrooms are of course first, LSD a close second...) So if 2C-T-2 rivals it's mental clarity and lucidity I will be greatly pleased :) Sorry if this question has already been asked, I haven't looked through the thread thoroughly.
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Yes, some aspects of the two are quite similar, namely the clear, observational, objective and introspective headspace. T-2 is much more focused on the self (as the 2C-T-Xs tend to be), at least for me... I found it extremely useful for learning about my ego and neuroses in a friendly, nonconfrontational way. 2C-E is much more universal, and much more powerful. Really the places thjey take you are not so similar, but the quality of the headspace in being objective and clear and introspective is quite similar. Does that make sense? I've written several reports on each of them that are published on Erowid under my name, Xorkoth. Lots more detail about what I think there. :)
 
Although I posted here after my first post in about 2003. Lately I have been experimenting with it again. The visuals aren't at all tasking or talking over too much. I think due to the clarity of 2ct2 aswell as 2ct7 or 2cb you dont have the chaos in the mind thats assoated with LSD or shrooms.
I just find it as a whole that its lacking something, something pure and missing from phenethylmines that you have direct paths to when on tradional psychedelics.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yes, some aspects of the two are quite similar, namely the clear, observational, objective and introspective headspace. T-2 is much more focused on the self (as the 2C-T-Xs tend to be), at least for me... I found it extremely useful for learning about my ego and neuroses in a friendly, nonconfrontational way. 2C-E is much more universal, and much more powerful. Really the places thjey take you are not so similar, but the quality of the headspace in being objective and clear and introspective is quite similar. Does that make sense? I've written several reports on each of them that are published on Erowid under my name, Xorkoth. Lots more detail about what I think there. :)
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Yes thank you Xorkoth, I was hoping you would reply... I had read about the clear and non-confrontational headspace, I'm looking for something to review and explore possible repressed memories and traumatic childhood events. Naturally I will be working through this alongside a therapist who knows of my methods, but I digress... I remember hearing one comment along the lines of that it can show you how your ego processes work in a visual fashion, this interests me. If it brings you to a similar place as 2C-E, but more centered on the self with less of a complete cosmic mindfuck, than it would be very suited to my purposes indeed.
 
Yes, the mind state is more easily directed than 2C-E in my experience, and definitely significantly more positively directed (though not with a push like T-7). I take it you read my report(s)? I outlined the process by which I used it to help kick me out of a building years-long depression, by observing the various aspects of my ego interacting with one another. Some of their interactions created neuroses and useless anxiety-producing thought loops (which is I suppose what a neurosis is). It didn't stop them directly but I became aware of what was going on (and while on T-2 I rose above to the level of observer) and could work on keeping the separation from it while sober, and relatively quickly they went away, at least during my ordinary waking life.

I've only had T-2 a few times, years ago... I'd love to get another sample and work with it again. It was very valuable to me and I think I would be able to utilize it much better now that I'm a few years older.
 
Yeah I'm reading your reports over again, very well written... Especially "This Is Changing My Life" and "Psychoanalytical Self-Abuse" those are both very lucid and enlightening reads, well done. 2C-T-2 sounds like valuable material for working with ego processes and neurosis in a controlled manner... I was looking for something like that from 2C-E but of course got a swift psychedelic ass-kicking instead! It's not like that's never appreciated, but if T-2 is as you describe it should be a good, neutral, objective look at psychodynamic processes.

I also liked how you described the synchronicities that lead to you acquiring the 2C-T-2, that's a detail some would overlook out of fear of looking loony. I'm glad this doesn't bother us! Haha... Yeah, similar things have happened to me and it's nice to hear that there's someone out there who appreciates the subtle and coincidental nature of reality on as many levels. Perhaps something similar will happen in the near future for you ;) Haha, not likely, if psychedelics teach any lesson it's that good things happen to people who look for them ;)
 
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Seeing this thread makes me want to get some of this.

It kinda set my standards for visuals and nothing else has come close yet.
 
The close structural similarity to 2c-e is what has recently piqued my interest in this chem as well. I'm going to be getting some in the relatively near future hopefully... How does it compare to 2c-e in the musical enhancement dept?
 
^ It's ok, nothing extraordinary... 2C-E and 2C-T-2 don't really have any relation in the qualitative department, despite the structural similarity.

2c-e is like a finished masterpiece while T2 is like a blank piece of paper with drawings around the margins... it provides a context but not a whole lot of content. The decision as to what should fill in this white page is left up to you.
 
Does anyone have any experience with a really low dose....like 5mg to take at the tail end of methylone or butylone? I know 5mg usually would be pretty much inactive but just curious how it might be going on the old 1+1=3 drug combo theory.
 
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