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2C-P - First Time - "Warning/Suggestions" if you plan to use 2C-P
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Piper methysticum
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Yes.. I haven't seen LSD around it a while, and I'm actually worried to take it because of the 5-MeO-AMT blotter and gels going around.
Blowmonkey
Bluelight Crew
DMX said:
Mindless nonsense.. Pihkal does not apply to everyone. As you may have noticed, Shulgin also lists some chems very much lower as people here are dosing. That doesn't mean that Shulgin was right and the people here not.. Everyone's different and this thread is extremely valuable info, especially since there is so little known about it.
Why does everyone doubt what yaesutom is saying..? Is this really so hard to believe? The Amphetamine surely has potentiated or synergized with the 2C-P, but low doses of anything can hit you a lot harder as expected.
Try it next time around the 3 mg level without any additional substances (ofcourse some pot is okay
). Hope that will clear up some confusion..
Blowmonkey
Bluelight Crew
Yes, the comparison is quite exaggerated (I presume), but typing under the influence of something makes everything look pretty (literally).. 
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
I agree. Words can be very misleading.
The reason I find t hard to believe is because all the other reports I have seen to date are between the 8 and 15 mg range, and they did not seem radically different from what Yesutom described. So I really expect that Yesutom most likely dosed higher that he thought he did.
The reason I find t hard to believe is because all the other reports I have seen to date are between the 8 and 15 mg range, and they did not seem radically different from what Yesutom described. So I really expect that Yesutom most likely dosed higher that he thought he did.
gloggawogga
Bluelight Crew
First, I think the the mods should replace the '2c-p' in the title of this thread and change it to '2c-p + dexedrine'. And maybe the whole shebang should be moved over to trip reports, since thats what yaesutom has basically written.
MGS, while I'd love to elucidate the glories of my 11mg 2c-p experience, I have a real concern that despite that this substance was very rewarding for me that this stuff is really going to harm someone badly sooner or later. So let me say the following:
1) I found material to be very dose sensitive, more than that of 2c-e. While I found 11mg to be on a par with say 22mg 2c-e, I can't say I found the 8mg experience on a par with 16mg 2c-e. It was weaker, more like about 14 or 12 mg of 2c-e. So follow Shulgin's advice and titrate your individual dose.
2) While this stuff was rather benign to me physically, headspace of this material seems to have a character that I could easily imagine punishing someone in a physical way if they were to try to resist the experience. This is something I notice with psychedelic phenethylamines in general and even moreso with 2c-p. Hence the allusion to psychosomatic effects, i.e. "would be frightening to a lot of people and bring about necessary escapes such as sickness" in the text of Pihkal trip report quoted above. If you aren't already experienced with strong psychedelic phenythylamines, don't mess with this stuff. Do not take this material in a setting that would be threatening.
3) Don't just use a Tanita to weigh single doses of this. I used a solution.
4) Don't do 2c-p if you want a 'body high'. I found it mildly stimulating early on, but really not that stimulating at all. Less so than 2c-e. Don't mix it with amphetamines to get stimulation. Instead, take it early in the morning a good nights sleep and your body will naturally be up for the experience.
5) Visuals were very well developed. But don't take this just because you want visuals.
6) Figure about 3 hours for the experience to develop, a peak lasting 4 or 5 hours, followed by 8 hours of coming down. Give your self 18 hours for the whole experience, and at least 6 or more hours to sleep before you have to do anything important. I dosed my 11 mg at 9:30 AM, went to sleep at 3:00 AM the next morning. At around 7:30 my dogs woke me up to eat and go out. I went back to bed at 8:00 am and slept clear thru till 1:00 PM.
7) I didn't have any hang over per se, but because of depth and the duration the trip itself I had that feeling when I returned to normal routines the next day like I had been away on a vacation for 6 months.
8) Have some respect for this substance. And really, have a little bit of respect for your self. If you don't have any self-respect, you really shouldn't be using subtances like this one.
MGS, while I'd love to elucidate the glories of my 11mg 2c-p experience, I have a real concern that despite that this substance was very rewarding for me that this stuff is really going to harm someone badly sooner or later. So let me say the following:
1) I found material to be very dose sensitive, more than that of 2c-e. While I found 11mg to be on a par with say 22mg 2c-e, I can't say I found the 8mg experience on a par with 16mg 2c-e. It was weaker, more like about 14 or 12 mg of 2c-e. So follow Shulgin's advice and titrate your individual dose.
2) While this stuff was rather benign to me physically, headspace of this material seems to have a character that I could easily imagine punishing someone in a physical way if they were to try to resist the experience. This is something I notice with psychedelic phenethylamines in general and even moreso with 2c-p. Hence the allusion to psychosomatic effects, i.e. "would be frightening to a lot of people and bring about necessary escapes such as sickness" in the text of Pihkal trip report quoted above. If you aren't already experienced with strong psychedelic phenythylamines, don't mess with this stuff. Do not take this material in a setting that would be threatening.
3) Don't just use a Tanita to weigh single doses of this. I used a solution.
4) Don't do 2c-p if you want a 'body high'. I found it mildly stimulating early on, but really not that stimulating at all. Less so than 2c-e. Don't mix it with amphetamines to get stimulation. Instead, take it early in the morning a good nights sleep and your body will naturally be up for the experience.
5) Visuals were very well developed. But don't take this just because you want visuals.
6) Figure about 3 hours for the experience to develop, a peak lasting 4 or 5 hours, followed by 8 hours of coming down. Give your self 18 hours for the whole experience, and at least 6 or more hours to sleep before you have to do anything important. I dosed my 11 mg at 9:30 AM, went to sleep at 3:00 AM the next morning. At around 7:30 my dogs woke me up to eat and go out. I went back to bed at 8:00 am and slept clear thru till 1:00 PM.
7) I didn't have any hang over per se, but because of depth and the duration the trip itself I had that feeling when I returned to normal routines the next day like I had been away on a vacation for 6 months.
8) Have some respect for this substance. And really, have a little bit of respect for your self. If you don't have any self-respect, you really shouldn't be using subtances like this one.
VictorBorge
Bluelighter
I don't find it all that hard to believe yaesutom took around 1mg (maybe 2mg). Sounds like it was just potentiated a lot by the dexedrine, and by the set and setting. This is not uncommon in the least.
I have had 2C-E experiences at the 5-7mg level that, due to set and setting and who knows what other physiological exigencies, were subjectively perceived by me to be just as strong as 15-18mg trips.
The key is that it WAS active at the <5mg level, probably at the <2mg level, and thus is not a chemical I personally would start out with at, say, 10mg, as some other 2C's are.
I have had 2C-E experiences at the 5-7mg level that, due to set and setting and who knows what other physiological exigencies, were subjectively perceived by me to be just as strong as 15-18mg trips.
The key is that it WAS active at the <5mg level, probably at the <2mg level, and thus is not a chemical I personally would start out with at, say, 10mg, as some other 2C's are.
botaanik
Bluelighter
Maybe the 2c-p worked on him different way than other 2C's and because of good set & setting he was just amazed. But this with from just 1mg isn't possible. I find 15mg 2c-e very intense and planing to try 20mg this weekend but 1mg is compareable to 22mg of 2c-e isn't what you can simply belive.
I guess I have to wait his and others trip reports to make my own decisions on it. Maybe even try it myself?![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I guess I have to wait his and others trip reports to make my own decisions on it. Maybe even try it myself?
Nice TR, now i see the utter seriousness of this chem.
What I wondered about in your post is the actual visual content that you saw while under 2C-P, were the visuals the same in comparison to 2C-I or 2C-E? was there any depth to the trip? or was just a visual feast with no mental/spiritual development?
thanks for any clarification.
gloggawogga
Bluelight Crew
More like 2C-E, maybe not quite as rich.
Yes, like I said 11mg kicked my ass pretty heavily, to the extent that say 22mg 2c-e would. During the peak of the trip I was unable to do much at all except sit and think and get lost in deep thoughts. Any attempt to actually do anything would result in my losing my train of thought, going of on tangets, forgetting what it was I was doing, etc. etc.
Real_Illusion
Bluelighter
Well, I dont think the guy was totally lying. And although Shulgin often reccomends doses lower than I (and many others) prefer, they're usually somewhat close. 1 mg and 10 mg is a big difference. I personally think that he simply misweighed it, and took somewhere between 2 and 5 mg, and I think that the pot and speed GREATLY potentiated his trip. If he took say, 3 mg, and the pot+amphed made it 3 times stronger than normal, that'd be equal to 9 mg. Of course, the dosage curve may make this not REALLY true, but you get the point.
IF you choose to experiment with this, I'd START with 1 mg, but I wouldnt be surprised if it didnt do much. I wish I could order this chem, not just to experience it but because there is so little knowledge of this, a few other people trying it out will greatly help out the community. Once I turn 18 I'll help out plenty however
If he DID weigh it correctly, its possible he simply got something else labeled as 2C-P. If it was LSD, this would be possible in the under 1 mg range. With 5-MeO-AMT, this is possible with 2-5 mg, especially with the pot and amphetamine.
By the way, I also hope this doesnt get sold as acid. I have also been worrying about trying acid because of the chance I may get 5-MeO-AMT - this has caused me to only do 1 or 2 hits of acid until I have alot of experience with both what I KNOW is real LSD and also with 5-MeO-AMT, so I can know if its actually acid. I dont see why it just doesnt get sold as 5-MeO-AMT, or under a new type of slang name, because it has enough power that it doesnt need to be sold as something else. The people who sell research chems as different drugs are truly a bane in the drug community.
IF you choose to experiment with this, I'd START with 1 mg, but I wouldnt be surprised if it didnt do much. I wish I could order this chem, not just to experience it but because there is so little knowledge of this, a few other people trying it out will greatly help out the community. Once I turn 18 I'll help out plenty however
If he DID weigh it correctly, its possible he simply got something else labeled as 2C-P. If it was LSD, this would be possible in the under 1 mg range. With 5-MeO-AMT, this is possible with 2-5 mg, especially with the pot and amphetamine.
By the way, I also hope this doesnt get sold as acid. I have also been worrying about trying acid because of the chance I may get 5-MeO-AMT - this has caused me to only do 1 or 2 hits of acid until I have alot of experience with both what I KNOW is real LSD and also with 5-MeO-AMT, so I can know if its actually acid. I dont see why it just doesnt get sold as 5-MeO-AMT, or under a new type of slang name, because it has enough power that it doesnt need to be sold as something else. The people who sell research chems as different drugs are truly a bane in the drug community.
I am not lieing about anything here! What would be the point in that, so I could buy up all the 2C-P there is (haha)?
Usually, the doses listed in Pihkal ARE lower than what I could take. 2C-E for example. I DO think it was setting related, because my friends who were over are the type to get deep into conversations, deep into the experience, and that alone seems to bring us to a certain level. As for my sensitivity to this, my friends also were on the same 'level'.
Also I didnt mean to sound like it is like 45 hits of acid, first of all I probably should not have wrote that when i was super tired, still high/etc. What I meant to say was, that I understand another report (maybe erowid, or here, i dont know) where the guy said it was like taking 45 (or maybe 25, you know some big number) hits of acid and tweeking, understood what he meant, and no he didnt take one milligram. I didnt feel like I took 45 hits of acid, but, from what we got I could understand at a "normal" dose like whatever report I did read (I believe 10mg or more), if i took that dose "i can understand" what he meant by that - although I have not taken LSD in a few years (because its all fake 'round here), something about this reminded me of LSD, what happened, drug induced or mentally induced by our wierd discussions, it was nothing like any PEA i've taken. To me, most PEA's, 2C-E, whatever, just do not come close to psilocybin mushrooms or other tryptamines, or that good acid I used to get.
I wasn't even going to say anything about the possibility of this being on blotter, but since its been brought up... I had thought about that, 1-2-3mg of 5-meo-amt is nothing to me, compared to this experience. Also like I said I really did not plan on tripping, to write anything, etc. I expected something extremely weak. Yes the dex definitely could have played a big role, I definitely think it changed the effects! If the 10mg of dex, felt like I took 5 times that amount, well maybe the two do interact to greatly potentiate each other.. Usually this isn't the case, if anything, taking that *for me* is a weak dose and even high doses of amph/meth-amph sort of, "weaken" a trip usually, not stop the effects but i guess, 'ground you' to reality, because you can focus/etc. It was obviously different in this case. Someone asked about other medications I am on, well I do take dex but not usually "tripping" (in this case, not expecting the trip, took it before the 'trip' kicked in, was just color enhancement 4 hours after ingestion w/food) and thats it. My friends, one does take adderall, and maybe ambien to sleep sometimes, thats 'bout it. The other friend doesn't, well, on a regular basis anyway.
As for the scale, I've used it a lot, but like i said I shouldn't have posted while high, saying "1mg", I am going to dissolve it into solution next time, and just for kicks, try like 100ug and see if anything happens, why not? Then maybe I'll do 1mg, and see if it compares, with no dexedrine or anything. If I really did go over 1mg, really, it couldn't have been more than...2...3 max! and thats pushing it.
So, who knows, hopefully others that try it, maybe some will start at 1mg, why not? So what if it doesn't end up being enough - maybe nothing will happen for you, or maybe some color enhancement or something. Thats what I expected...
Oh yeah, another thing I read on another msg board, that Shulgin said about that overdose, it was someone who re-lived a bad childhood memory, nothing physical wrong (dont know why it said 'physical disaster though'), it was posted on another message board where supposedly someone emailed/talked to shulgin about it i guess, but, who knows.
So hey, take it as you wish, I could have just not posted anything, I guess after the experience I was so suprised I felt like posting (while sleepy, and high, and hungry hehe). Others who have tried it at whatever dose, did you get euphoria/relaxation, and a definite 'numbing' effect? Like, a real good pain killer, hands felt numb, not from vaso-constriction or anything, just a pleasant numbing effect..?
Well hopefully other reports will be written, obviously people are going to take it, or have taken it.
See we all were mostly ...well i'll say, it would not be hard to face public or something, like the visuals and mental effects seemed more because of what we were discussing...we were 'getting into' it. Depending on if i'm alone, who i'm with, has a lot to do with the effects I get out of any drug. When I 'seek out' certain things, move those 'brain muscles', I usually find I can control some visual effects, audio, whatever. If i just sat there and did nothing, it probably would have not been as 'deep'.
Actually during the first part, when I just had vision clarity/colors, I was thinking wow cool this dose would be great for pain relief! Like when I took 5mg 2C-E, I thought, well this dose is great for music enhancement, other minor vision/color 'enhancement'. I really do think a lot had to do with the friends I was with, as when we have tripped before, low doses of well, Iprocin for example, one time we just happened to talk a lot, get into discussions, and got a lot 'higher' than what the drug would normally do.
Oh well.. I guess thats it for now, really I don't understand why someone would "BS" and say they got this out of 1mg (if you want to think higher, think 2-3mg if you want, if you think i *really* was way off on the dose, knowing myself and how my scale has worked I personally don't think so, but hey!). Hey, it suprised the fuck outta me! I really hope others with 2C-P start out at 1mg, and post something, i'm interested! I will dissolve mine into a nice big solution, so I can dose very accurately. One day soon i'll take 1/10 of a milligram, and see if i get anything at all (if i tripped good off that, now well, i wouldn't know what to think, hahaha).
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Usually, the doses listed in Pihkal ARE lower than what I could take. 2C-E for example. I DO think it was setting related, because my friends who were over are the type to get deep into conversations, deep into the experience, and that alone seems to bring us to a certain level. As for my sensitivity to this, my friends also were on the same 'level'.
Also I didnt mean to sound like it is like 45 hits of acid, first of all I probably should not have wrote that when i was super tired, still high/etc. What I meant to say was, that I understand another report (maybe erowid, or here, i dont know) where the guy said it was like taking 45 (or maybe 25, you know some big number) hits of acid and tweeking, understood what he meant, and no he didnt take one milligram. I didnt feel like I took 45 hits of acid, but, from what we got I could understand at a "normal" dose like whatever report I did read (I believe 10mg or more), if i took that dose "i can understand" what he meant by that - although I have not taken LSD in a few years (because its all fake 'round here), something about this reminded me of LSD, what happened, drug induced or mentally induced by our wierd discussions, it was nothing like any PEA i've taken. To me, most PEA's, 2C-E, whatever, just do not come close to psilocybin mushrooms or other tryptamines, or that good acid I used to get.
I wasn't even going to say anything about the possibility of this being on blotter, but since its been brought up... I had thought about that, 1-2-3mg of 5-meo-amt is nothing to me, compared to this experience. Also like I said I really did not plan on tripping, to write anything, etc. I expected something extremely weak. Yes the dex definitely could have played a big role, I definitely think it changed the effects! If the 10mg of dex, felt like I took 5 times that amount, well maybe the two do interact to greatly potentiate each other.. Usually this isn't the case, if anything, taking that *for me* is a weak dose and even high doses of amph/meth-amph sort of, "weaken" a trip usually, not stop the effects but i guess, 'ground you' to reality, because you can focus/etc. It was obviously different in this case. Someone asked about other medications I am on, well I do take dex but not usually "tripping" (in this case, not expecting the trip, took it before the 'trip' kicked in, was just color enhancement 4 hours after ingestion w/food) and thats it. My friends, one does take adderall, and maybe ambien to sleep sometimes, thats 'bout it. The other friend doesn't, well, on a regular basis anyway.
As for the scale, I've used it a lot, but like i said I shouldn't have posted while high, saying "1mg", I am going to dissolve it into solution next time, and just for kicks, try like 100ug and see if anything happens, why not? Then maybe I'll do 1mg, and see if it compares, with no dexedrine or anything. If I really did go over 1mg, really, it couldn't have been more than...2...3 max! and thats pushing it.
So, who knows, hopefully others that try it, maybe some will start at 1mg, why not? So what if it doesn't end up being enough - maybe nothing will happen for you, or maybe some color enhancement or something. Thats what I expected...
Oh yeah, another thing I read on another msg board, that Shulgin said about that overdose, it was someone who re-lived a bad childhood memory, nothing physical wrong (dont know why it said 'physical disaster though'), it was posted on another message board where supposedly someone emailed/talked to shulgin about it i guess, but, who knows.
So hey, take it as you wish, I could have just not posted anything, I guess after the experience I was so suprised I felt like posting (while sleepy, and high, and hungry hehe). Others who have tried it at whatever dose, did you get euphoria/relaxation, and a definite 'numbing' effect? Like, a real good pain killer, hands felt numb, not from vaso-constriction or anything, just a pleasant numbing effect..?
Well hopefully other reports will be written, obviously people are going to take it, or have taken it.
See we all were mostly ...well i'll say, it would not be hard to face public or something, like the visuals and mental effects seemed more because of what we were discussing...we were 'getting into' it. Depending on if i'm alone, who i'm with, has a lot to do with the effects I get out of any drug. When I 'seek out' certain things, move those 'brain muscles', I usually find I can control some visual effects, audio, whatever. If i just sat there and did nothing, it probably would have not been as 'deep'.
Actually during the first part, when I just had vision clarity/colors, I was thinking wow cool this dose would be great for pain relief! Like when I took 5mg 2C-E, I thought, well this dose is great for music enhancement, other minor vision/color 'enhancement'. I really do think a lot had to do with the friends I was with, as when we have tripped before, low doses of well, Iprocin for example, one time we just happened to talk a lot, get into discussions, and got a lot 'higher' than what the drug would normally do.
Oh well.. I guess thats it for now, really I don't understand why someone would "BS" and say they got this out of 1mg (if you want to think higher, think 2-3mg if you want, if you think i *really* was way off on the dose, knowing myself and how my scale has worked I personally don't think so, but hey!). Hey, it suprised the fuck outta me! I really hope others with 2C-P start out at 1mg, and post something, i'm interested! I will dissolve mine into a nice big solution, so I can dose very accurately. One day soon i'll take 1/10 of a milligram, and see if i get anything at all (if i tripped good off that, now well, i wouldn't know what to think, hahaha).
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1mg does nothing
I have snorted 2mg and noticed no effects at all. 4 mg insufflated worked, but not as enjoyable as eating the chemical. The first time I tried 2c-p me and my friend ate 5mg each. This did nothing at all. Maybe a slight stimulant. I have found 7-12 mg is a great level. Some dumb ass ate 25mg of this compound and made it through the experience. He had a bad time, but lived to tell the story. I have seen people abuse this chem with no problem. Thats not to say someone will never have a bad reaction. That being said I find it impossible that 1mg did anything at all. Honestly , you could intaveiniously inject 1mg and it would still do nothing. Again, 1mg is not active. I have been experiementing with this compound for a while. anything under 7mg is weak.
I have snorted 2mg and noticed no effects at all. 4 mg insufflated worked, but not as enjoyable as eating the chemical. The first time I tried 2c-p me and my friend ate 5mg each. This did nothing at all. Maybe a slight stimulant. I have found 7-12 mg is a great level. Some dumb ass ate 25mg of this compound and made it through the experience. He had a bad time, but lived to tell the story. I have seen people abuse this chem with no problem. Thats not to say someone will never have a bad reaction. That being said I find it impossible that 1mg did anything at all. Honestly , you could intaveiniously inject 1mg and it would still do nothing. Again, 1mg is not active. I have been experiementing with this compound for a while. anything under 7mg is weak.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
gloggawogga said:
I know where you are coming from. I had to deal with that after my first dose of 2C-E. I only took 16mg and got my ass kicked. 5-MeO-DMT and DPT are strong too, but must be smoked, or used in large amounts. But 2C-E was different. This stuff was as good as LSD and it kicked my ass from an oral dose that looked like a bit of powdered sugar on a plate left over from a jelly donut.
And as we can see, there are already some dummies with 2C-P.
It's unstoppable. As long as people (the "RC companies") make these things easy-to-get, morons are going to use them and abuse them and get hurt with them.
Since I have no control over what other "people" do, sadly I can think of nothing more but either continue to talk about these psychedelics, or just hide in private boards and mailing lists and such to discuss them. But there are lots of well-meaning "psychonauts" out there who are not in the circle and don't get invited (or even know of) these private boards. And I think if of them when I have (and will continue to do) published my trip reports at Erowid so people can know what these psychoactives did when I took them.
BTW thank you Glog for sharing what you did. I agree about not using .002 scales (like my tanita) for measuring individual dosages. After my first 2C-E experience, I adopeted a STRICT policy for dealing with compounds fully active under 15mg. I take at least 50mg of said substance and dissolve it in a known amount of water. Only a microgram scale (in my opinion) is safe to measure individual dosages of alpha-O-DMS, 2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-T-21, 5-MeO-DET, 5-MeO-MiPT, etc.
The Drummer
Bluelighter
Sounds to me like the effects of a small dose of a PEA plus the far more intense and interesting effects of experiencing real sustained group consciousness.
Now try to do it WITHOUT THE DRUGS.
Now try to do it WITHOUT THE DRUGS.
kinetic
Bluelighter
^I agree, to me it sounded as though your trip report could be attributed to just the great atmosphere and the dexamphetamine.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I know for a fact, amphetamine can DRAMATICALLY increase psychedelics.
So I do think the speed played a role in the trip. And I will move this to TR. It is one, after all.
- In classic studies, methedrine (methamphetamine) was used and shown and used to increase the effects of LSD.
- A friend of mine who likes amphetamine has taken it with various psychedelics and said it dramatically makes it more intense.
- First hand, I've mixed adderall with baby woodrose seeds. And it did make it more intense, but also very uncomfotable. My mind raced. Never again.
So I do think the speed played a role in the trip. And I will move this to TR. It is one, after all.