2c-i Damage ?

[bfisher]

what kind of damage does 2c-i do to your body and your mind, for say... 20mg's once every 2months or so.

 

[Coolio]

Nobody knows. Period. Due to the nature of the effects of the drug, the pharmacology is probably extremely similar to mescaline, so I would predict that 2C-I causes absolutely no damage to your body or mind.

 

[BlueMystic]

With it's very limited exposure to the population and with the extremely little amount of research in controlled lab settings. At this time it is very hard to determine the extebt of damage that 2c-i can produce. Do a search. There has been some talk about thyroid toxicity, but any results have not been confirmed. The theory has been related to the amount of iodine being comsumed (iodo). However, one comsumes alot more iodine in seafood on a regular basis. With no ill effect. I'm sure that there will be a flood of negative propaganda regarding 2C-I and the rest of the RC's. However, only time will tell for sure.

 

[Xenoc]

For what it's worth, my experiences (and many others have agreed with me) with 2c-i have yielding significantly more noticeable semi-permanent after effects than any of the other 2c phenethylamines I have experienced (2c-c,2c-d,2c-e) ... When I say semi-permanent, I mean 2 weeks to 2 months of time was required for these residual effects to dissappear. While this isn't necessarily a definite sign of toxicity, it is something worth considering before assuming 2c-i causes no damage.

 

[MASTER SATAN]

Well I do 2c-i two sometimes three times a week (and at high doses 35mg+)! And so far I am fine and I've done it over 100 times in the last year. If anyone ever has bad reprucussions from longterm 2c-i use, it will be me. The only thing I notice different from before I started using 2c-i all the time is the ability to remember more of my dreams and the fact that my dreams are really crazy now which is fun. Also I do get "slight" visual disturbances the next day but they are nothing like I've heard others claim they've had when they smoke weed the day after.

 

[Xenoc]

Wow. That is incredibly extreme usage... It does attest to the fact that it probably isn't damaging in any acutely physical sense, but the fact that it has caused any lasting changes in your mental functioning, even if they are only apparent during sleep, implies that 2c-i has some potential for psychological damage. What you interpret to be positive or neutral (crazy dreams/improved dream recollection) could be considered quite negative by others.

On the other hand, drinking caffeine before bed has similar effects on my dreams, so who really knows. I'm just playing devil's advocate, really. We all can agree that psychadelic substances in general have potential for psychological repercussions, the bulk of which are probably not the result of any physiological damage.

Regardless, 2c-i seems to be one of the more frequently complained about 2c chems as far as side-effects goes... I have heard complaints of extreme headaches, symptoms that potentially implied kidney complications, and there are numerous threads on 2c-i and HPPD on bluelight if you search for them. Common sense dictates that a drug with so many complaints, even if some people don't experience all of them, isn't "harmless".

But, all of that being said, to answer the original question- 20mgs every 2 months or so is unlikely to cause any acute lasting, physical or mental repercussions.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Nobody know - we're all guinea-pigs. The only RC compound that has had any of the normal battery of clinical tests carried out on it is AMT (from when it was used as an antidepressant in the USSR)

After 20 odd years of large scale use, they're only beginning to discover the long term effects of MDMA usage. If you're worried by such things, stick with psychedelics that have a long history of ethnic use, like mescaline, psilocybin, DMT etc

 

[genaro]

using 2C's 3 times a month for 2 month made me very mentally unstable and I ended up at the psychiatric hospital for 1 month. 2C's also feel physically toxic to me (I think especially for nerves and heart). So a simple advice: don't use these too often, anyway one single time/2 month is probably the safest way to use any drugs, you shouldn't have big troubles with it. But remember: "RC" means that we don't know shit about the long term effects of the so called substance.

 

[Synthesthesia]

I have taken 2C-I maybe 10-15 times in the last 2 years. The worst side effects I have experienced was a headache on the comedown. It was the first phenethylamine i took, so i feel it altered my perspective permenantly (in a good way). However, I have tripped with other people on it and two of them have had bad reactions. One smoked around a gram of chronic during peaking and he wigged out, massive hallucinations, paranoia, fetal position, the works. He was unstable for around 2 weeks after that trying to reorient himself. That was his second time on 2C-I mind you.

The second dude wigged out on the drug, extremely quiet, later reported everyone 'looked scary'. He reported lasting visual effects for around a month after use and other symptoms of HPPD.

 

[gugglebum]

2c-i is probably the last of all hallucinogenics I'd ever use on a frequent basis.

It's the one that gets the most calls on HPPD (read up about it)
+ It's the one that has the most side effects
=
Bad idea

The frequency you suggested (once every 2 months) is not bad, but MASTER SATAN is definetly taking far too much of it.

Ask 'funkee' about it, he did a lot of 2c-i during a 3 month period and ended up in a ... well, let's say in a "fragile" state of mind.

 

[jonah_222]

i'd say it definately could speed along the manifestation of any mental illness that had before been nothing more than a snake in the grass, so to speak.

there have been reports of troubles caused by it's (over)use.

much moderation may be called for with this one.

-j.

 

[sub-di]

Originally posted by Xenoc
Wow. That is incredibly extreme usage... It does attest to the fact that it probably isn't damaging in any acutely physical sense, but the fact that it has caused any lasting changes in your mental functioning, even if they are only apparent during sleep, implies that 2c-i has some potential for psychological damage. What you interpret to be positive or neutral (crazy dreams/improved dream recollection) could be considered quite negative by others...

...Regardless, 2c-i seems to be one of the more frequently complained about 2c chems as far as side-effects goes... I have heard complaints of extreme headaches, symptoms that potentially implied kidney complications, and there are numerous threads on 2c-i and HPPD on bluelight if you search for them. Common sense dictates that a drug with so many complaints, even if some people don't experience all of them, isn't "harmless".

But, all of that being said, to answer the original question- 20mgs every 2 months or so is unlikely to cause any acute lasting, physical or mental repercussions.

One trip every 2-3 months seems to be a good rule of thumb for practically any psychedelic. 2-3 times a week, 100 times a year I would classify as heroic dosage (and probably not a good idea.)

I don't have extensive RC experience first hand (2c-I multiple times, 2c-D twice, AMT once, and that's it) but from what myself and people I know have experienced, is that while some RCs seem to have fairly consistent dose levels and effects from person to person, there is still a significant percentage that will react in an unpredictable and sometimes dangerous fashion--either a way to intense mind fuck with lasting after effects and/or physical side effects. Side effects I've heard from others with 2C-I: headaches (sometimes severe), panic, nausea/vomiting, confusion--a friend who suffered brain damage in a car accident years ago wanted to try 2C-I, and the result was worse than when he tried to trip on mushrooms again after his accident: very bad confusion and unpleasant thought patterns that were out of his control.

We learned that lessen the hard way: those with brain injuries should probably stay away from psychedelics, or at the very least exercise extreme caution. He had a miserable 12 hour trip until he could finally get to sleep (no permanent damage reported thankfully.) Just booze and bud for him from now on, and he's content

2C-I is the most common RC right now in my area (well, it's pretty much the only one that is widely sold at street level anyway), so I have little info to compare its side effects with other RCs.

As for myself 2C-I seemed to treat me the best by far out of the 3 RCs I've sampled. No short or long-term side effects that I've been able to detect so far*knocks on wood.*

 

[spookmaster]

The possibility arises that we hear so much negative feedback regarding 2ci, is as a lot of people have said, one of the (if not the most) common rc to run across at street level being sold. Now obviously with more people taking it you are having a larger study of effects on larger scale and are able to see how this is effecting people. Negatice feedback seems to stand out a lot more than positive feedback, in reference to anything.

A lot of the "side effects" and reported feelings of toxicity I find are common with most if not all psychedelic compounds not just restricted to 2ci or other 2c's eg. confusion, unplesant thought patterns out of control, nausea/vomiting, panic and possible headaches(elevated blood pressure?) after use.

The problem resides in not short term problems but possible long term problems with using a chemical of unknown effect physically and neurochemically on a person. Until some proper research has been done into it there will no way to determine what effect it is having upon the brain and body as far as possible damage goes, so if you are worried avoid RC's altogether. If not, play it safe.

 

[sub-di]

Originally posted by spookmaster
The possibility arises that we hear so much negative feedback regarding 2ci, is as a lot of people have said, one of the (if not the most) common rc to run across at street level being sold. Now obviously with more people taking it you are having a larger study of effects on larger scale and are able to see how this is effecting people. Negatice feedback seems to stand out a lot more than positive feedback, in reference to anything.

Good point. If 2C-I is indeed more common in most areas, there is a bigger pool of users and therefore a wider range of reactions. There could very well be more negative reports of 2C-I than any other RC known, but if it is indeed the most common/available RC in most areas, then it isn't fair to assume it is more or less toxic than any other chemical. You would need the same pool of people testing other RCs and record the results to begin to be able to answer the question.

Of course to be really accurate you would want to conduct controlled double-blind experiments in a laboratory atmosphere; but the likelihood of that happening anytime soon is probably close to zero.

 

[gloggawogga]

^^^

Many of us who have tried 2c-i and numerous other research chems and can compare them do find 2c-i to have more disturbing side effects than many of the others. And it is most certainly more toxic than LSD or shrooms.

 

[Coolio]

None of the side effects described in this thread are signs of toxicity.

 

[gloggawogga]

^^^

Well something like extreme chest pain or an irregular heartbeat isn't exactly good. I guess its what you include in your definition of "toxic", and what you consider a sign of it. Two other strongly stimulating phenethylamines, meth and mdma, can be toxic when used chronicly.

 

[Splatt]

My psychosis kicked in after 2C-I.
Very weird 6-12 months for me.

I can still feel and notice some of the effects now.
But they are 100% manageable for me.

 

[high on stemz-nseeds]

2c-i is a gateway psychedelic. It made me crave harder drugs like lsd and miprocin.

 

[spookmaster]

From what Ive read 2ci does seem to have a habit of forming HPPD/or symptoms of HPPD though. Which is quite interesting.

With 2ci's small doses to be able to cause HPPD symptoms so early with out chronic use would be well worth researching into.