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Phenethylamines [2C-E Subthread] Comparisons to Other Substances

^^It is by far the best 2c-x I have tried. The neutral feel was something that really stood out to me the first few times I tried it, but it becomes a non-issue once you get used to the effects. It will become fairly maleable with use, which is a big plus in my book.
 
Just had my first truly worthwhile experience on 2C-E via 25 mg administered orally. MDMA-like effects, very interesting.
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ That's about where it ends though!
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I disagree. The euphoria and body high were very much similar to the effects of MDMA. I would speculate that higher doses of 2C-E act on serotonin levels, based on my experience.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
out of curiousity how long ago did you last do MDMA, liveillegal?
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I believe the last time I used MDMA was October. It has been a few months.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah, I think 2C-E is a great first choice (and the best 2C choice anyway), as long as you have experience with other powerful psychedelics (which you do).
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For sheer enjoyment do you like 2CE over 2CD? I like that 2CD doesn't give me screaming nightmares at ~T+12 hours.
 
I enjoy 2C-D on a recreational level more, but I derive much more enjoyment out of intense, amazing experiences, so overall I enjoy 2C-E more. =D
 
samadhi_smiles said:
For sheer enjoyment do you like 2CE over 2CD? I like that 2CD doesn't give me screaming nightmares at ~T+12 hours.
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I know you didn't ask me...but work is slow.

I've never tried 2C-E as a recreational psychedelic. All of my experiences (three so far) have all been at +3 dosages...and I never saw much fun in the experience...rather is was seriously deep. But I can imagine that at 8-12mg...it may be recreational.

2C-D is my all purpose psychedelic...I by far prefer it over 2C-B. Good for hikes, good for concerts, good for sex, and also good for serious tripping. Great all-purpose psychedelic.
 
Hey all, I find the discussion contrasting 2c-e and 2c-d interesting. I'd love to hear more about the major differences between the two.

I'm also a bit curious if there isn't some sort of intersection of effect and by this I mean if their isn't some dose of 2c-e that is indistinguishable from some dose of 2c-d (or is 2c-e more recreational at lower doses?).
 
Heyoka said:
Hey all, I find the discussion contrasting 2c-e and 2c-d interesting. I'd love to hear more about the major differences between the two.

I'm also a bit curious if there isn't some sort of intersection of effect and by this I mean if their isn't some dose of 2c-e that is indistinguishable from some dose of 2c-d (or is 2c-e more recreational at lower doses?).
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They are very similar...just one lasts 4hours and the other up to 12. On the other hand, I've never tried them at the same level of intensity......ie all of my 2C-E trips were 'balls to the wall' trips where as my 2C-D experiences have all been milder experiences. I wonder myself if 2C-D is exactly like 2C-E at much higher levels than I have taken it. Only one way to find out...and I intend to do just that one day.

Cloudy said:
hmm... I might aim for 8mg then then have 2mg to save at the peak to snort.
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I wouldn't do that.
 
Heyoka said:
Hey all, I find the discussion contrasting 2c-e and 2c-d interesting. I'd love to hear more about the major differences between the two.

I'm also a bit curious if there isn't some sort of intersection of effect and by this I mean if their isn't some dose of 2c-e that is indistinguishable from some dose of 2c-d (or is 2c-e more recreational at lower doses?).
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To me, they're quite dissimilar in most ways, but also share some distinct similarities.

Differences: 2C-D is much, much lighter and more transparent on the body than 2C-E. 2C-E can be light as well, but as the dose goes up it tends to feel very heavy and almost tryptamine-like in the way it can make your body vibrate. 2C-E, in my experience, is like 2C-D's father or grandfather. It contains (for me) much more material and allows more complete access into the space that they both access. It's much more visual, although 2C-D can get fairly visual as well at high doses. 2C-E is slower with a much longer peak, slower and more serious. it's also much more neutral in character, wherteas I find 2C-D quite euphoric and energetic and positive. In my opinion and experience, 2C-E is a deeper, more intense, more serious drug. it also has some of the best music enhancement with corresponding CEVs of all the things I've tried, and that's a lot. 2C-E also tends to produce fractallized visuals moreso than 2C-D. Finally, 2C-D seems to enhance my social skills usually and makes me want to talk, whereas 2C-E makes it difficult to communicate and does not increase my skill or desire in doing so (in person anyway... writing is great with 2C-E and 2C-D).

Similarities: They seem to access the same general place, but as I mentioned 2C-D does not go in as deep or completely, unless perhaps it just requires much higher doses than I've used. They are both very deep for the 2C-X class.
 
I wasn't expecting the profundity to be present in 2CD since I heard it was more a euphoric substance on the order of 2CB. I broke down in tears multiple times throughout my 2CD trip (watching my face blend into my family members, holding a peice of weaving my mother created, etc).

Of course 2CE is very profound as far as 2Cs go. I agree with xorkoth, it has a tryptamine quality in regards to depth.

They both are super chemicals to take and enter the trance samadhi fantasy state.
 
From what I've read, would I be right in thinking that 2c-e has the qualities of LSD, Psilocybin, Ketamine and Salvia all rolled into one.

According to reports, it appears to have (almost) the visionary clarity of LSD/Shrooms, the insightful (but slightly dark) qualities of Ketamine and the powerful dissociative and slightly cold properties of Salvia (but longer and
without the confusion and amnesia at the levels required to breakthrough).

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nothing cold about it for me! Warm bright euphoria the whole way through! This chemical is more euphoric for me than 2CB. But not as much as 2CD.

(apart from the nightmares at T+10-12hours).
 
2c-e versus Mescaline

2c-e Versus Mescaline....

Well, what are the differences and similarities between the two?
 
I wouldn't consider 2C-E more subtle than 2C-T-7... 2C-E has given me the most intense experience of my life, let alone my drug-taking life.
 
damn man.. i have had similar types of things, just no-one got mamed or hurt badly.. such as, we all had laptop's out and were trying to get the wireless network setup just as it was all coming on for us.. and omg.. 3 hrs we spent trying to get a computer on the internet.. nothing worked.. so we gave up.. when it was all over, we just pluged it in again and bam. all works.. it seems that everything goes wrong when on 2ce.. so dont try and do anything :)

i had two major traumatic events when i stoped taking them 3 yrs ago... first.. 2c-t-7..

railed ~5mg.. ate the rest , total (35.0mg +- 0.1mg).. more visuals than i've ever seen.. EVER.. i could not see infront of myself.. i had a little blind spot in my right eye, and i was actualy halucinating that it was a little gremlin attacking me with an axe.. trying to hurt me.. i thought i was living the experiance of someone that snorted 35mg and died.. scarry.

the week afte i hadn't learn my leason and railed 10mg of 2cb.. went blue.. i've alredy said how that ended... ever since then i've been kind of scared eating anything, codine, paracetamol, you name it.. i thought it would die..

but i've never ever had but a plesent experiacne from 2ce... most probably why i think 2ce is a simple, easy to eat, light going 2c..

and as i said previously, eating 20mg of 2ce a few weeks after doing the 35mg of t-7.. had hardly any effect.. i think the juxtapositioning of the two substances so close to one another really made it feel less...

so from that i concluded that t7 has a much great affect on your nuro transmitters than say 2ce.. likewise 2ci has much less aswell.. whatever 2ci affect it has a fairly flat dosage response.. after 20mg i didnt notice a thing, apart from an extra hr or two of visuals..

so are you guys saying that 2ce rectal/sniffed is better or worse? easier on body some have said, but a less deep experaiance than eaten?..

when eating, you eat 16-20mg, railed you eat 8-10mg? now if you rail 10mg straight up, and then 2-4mg in steps over an hour, will that get you up to the same deep experaince as eaten? as then you would match the amount that would be in your body after the first hr? as its all really about absorbtion and how fast it "comes on".? anyone tries stepping the railed doses up to match the quantity eaten/\?

doesn't rectal hurt like buggery? i tried 2cc rectal.. omg.. ouch.. not even the hottest curry i've ever eaten has hurt so much!...
 
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