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Phenethylamines [2C-E Subthread] 2C-E Dosage and Methods of Administration

Yeh but not much of it, if your smoking 10-20 mg theres definitely less toxic stuff than in a cigarette.
 
dorothyperkins said:
Yeh but not much of it, if your smoking 10-20 mg theres definitely less toxic stuff than in a cigarette.


But do you know what fillers are in your powder? ESPECIALLY if it was manufactured in China these days....
 
Yeah none, I was talking pure stuff, if its brown or takes 40 mg to get any effect its probably not a good idea to eat it even.

What do you mean, they sell cut stuff? Do you not get a anaylsis certificate with it or do they lie and say its pure?
 
^^ I'm not sure where you're getting yours from, but I thought the days of getting an analysis certificate with your chemicals were long gone. Not that you could do anything but take their word for it anyway.
 
so, i'm planning to obtain about 166 mg of 2c-e in the near future... i will, however, only have access to a scale once. so do i put it in 20mg capsules, 10 mg capsules, liquid...

liquid seems like it may get confusing, but i've had it suggested to me as the only way to go.
 
166 mg eh? lol! if its a good scale, i'd do a mixture, weigh out 5 x 25 mg caps and dissolve the rest for immediate experimenting! that way you can always empty out one or more caps later and dissolve in liquid if you dont want to dose exactly one cap.
if its not a good scale then its probably best to dissolve the lot, but you need a certain percentage of alcohol to stop it going mouldy if your not going to consume it quickly.
 
Does rectal admin reduce the nausea from 2C-E? And should I lower the dosage if I administer rectally?

I know this is a dumb question, but how do you exactly administer something rectally and make sure it doesn't just decide to come back out if you have gas or something?
 
^^ Yes and yes. I never get any nausea from anything I've tried rectal administration with. The dosage should start at about 50% of an oral dose... it increases the potency by a lot. Also be aware that you will come up much faster and there tends to be a lot less bodyload. The come-up can be intense though since it's so fast, but just mentally intense, not really physically intense.

The way you administer rectally is as follows:

1 - Clear your bowels totally (important - otherwise the chemical will be absorbed by things in there and it will probably make you have to take a crap pretty quickly, which will waste the substance)

2 - Get some distilled water and use just a few mLs. Put the water in a shoyt glass or something small like that, add your dose of 2C-E, and mix until totallt dissolved. Then suck it up into a small (preferrably thin!) oral syringe (the ones with no needles obviously). You can get them at a pharmacy by asking, or something they have ones for sale. I have always gotten them given to me for free however. I just tell them I need one for my grandmother or something, to dose out medicine. Then lay on your back and get some sort of lubrication and insert it, push the plunger, and take it out after a moment. Lay there on your back (with your legs up preferrably) for a couple of minutes. Then you can pretty much get up and walk around and stuff... just clench. ;) I often lay down on my back or side at least from time to time. After 15 minutes there's no chance it will come back out I would say.

Or, you could put the dose in a gel cap, and put the gel cap in there. It's less steps and easier but tends to burn a little more.

2C-E shouldn't burn much if at all. Some things do burn though, like 2C-B and 2C-C. Ouch! It may feel like you have to take a shit, but you probably don't. That will pass in maybe 10 minutes.

A bit of a pain to administer, but less of a pain than snorting, in my opinion. And a much more effective route of administration than almost any other method. I believe F&B has described it as similar to IMing. I've never IMed anything so I couldn't say.
 
Lubrication? Hahaha, no offense, but I don't exactly feel like walking out of the store with an oral syringe and a tube of KY Jelly.

And I don't like the risk of it being absorbed by unclear bowels and wasting a dose. On the other hand, I hate nausea.
 
Well, just make sure you wait until after you've just emptied your bowels, then. :)

Also, I would recommend Astroglide over KY (for lubrication of all kinds including for what it was intended). And you can get them at different stores, you know.

Do what you want, but I'm telling you that rectal administration seriously reduces the bodyload. Not just the nausea, but other parts of the bodyload as well. It just feels so much cleaner to me.

Alternatively you can put the dose in a gel cap and put that in there... then you won't have to bother with an oral syringe. It tends to burn a little more though. Also, the more water you use, the less it will burn, but you don't want to use too much or it'll be harder to hold in. But if you lay on your back, you won't have to hold it in.
 
As nice as it is to save substance, I just couldn't imagine wanting to do that. I really enjoy the long, slow come-up period. I find it an intricate part of the psychedelic experience....it sets the stage for the entire trip. The few psychedelics I've tried via smoking, IM, snorting...etc generally have not been as pleasant or as useful than when taking it orally. The exception to this is 5-MeO-DMT...that one is best smoked.

But with regards to psychedelics orally active (especially the PEAs), I really find oral is the way to go. I strongly recommend that people try their psychedelics that way.
 
Splatter said:
I've heard you express this impression a couple of times, Xorkoth, of 2C-E being more of a tool and less of a toy, so to speak. I'm curious if many other people share the same experience vs. it being a more individual reaction to the compound. Anyone have any ideas?

Also, can anyone tell me the approximate duration of this compound? I just received some and am not sure exactly what time of day to take it. Although I could just check Erowid, I suppose.

Oh yeah, I also have to second Dragynfyr's question about degradation at room temp.

When snorting this compound at 6-8mg, I can sleep after about 5-6 hours. at higher doses the trip lasts longers. orally at 15mg, i fell asleep 7 hours later. orally at 20mg, it lasted maybe 8-10 hours total.

when i mean i went to bed, i mean the trip was at baseline again.

I disagree with Xorkoth in some ways about it being more of a tool than a toy. I find 2c-e to be very much of a toy. with a couple of friends (maybe 3-5 at most) socializing, i find this drug to be very forgiving. I laugh, have fun, make jokes, and trip balls. though i have had serious experience alone, this drug is very fun for me in many ways at many different dosages.
 
Has anyone noticed a diminished body load in correspondance to an increased dosage? Ive studied the action of 2c-e in 4 seperate tests now, twice at 16mg, once at 14mg and once at 18mg.

At 14mg and 16mg I observed a rather nagging body load that made my patients feel rather stimulated and uncomfortable, lending to a rather intense experience. After submitting 18mg, my research showed me that as the experience for more intense there was an increase in the dissociative aspect of it which really helped to wash away any uncomfortable body feelings.

In fact there was such a drastic difference between a sub 18mg dose and the recent 18mg trial that in my experience i almost think that perhaps it is more condusive to go for the higher dose. It seems to lend to a "Breakthrough" experience that really frees you from your body and allows one to really soar in the expansive head space.

Perhaps these are simply subjective findings of my own research, but I am begining to contemplate that fact that perhaps the threshold dosing for this substance is more in the 16-20mg range rather than the 10-14mg.
 
^^ Yes. My negative trials with 2C-E were all from 12-14mg. I think that 2C-E's bodyload is nearly all psychosomatic. It can make you feel extremely uncomfortable because it bares everything down to the bone in a not-exactly-friendly manner, but at some point you get past yourself and the discomfort disappears. Also, as I have gotten more experience with psychedelics I have found the body load to decrease with all of them except a very few at all dosages, especially 2C-E. Unless I discover after consumption that I was hiding something from myself, 2C-E really doesn't give me any sort of bodyload these days. In fact it feels quite nice, if sometimes a bit too "crawly".
 
2C-E Tolerance Build-Up(s)

Yesterday, I moved a bag full of 2c-e from somewhere to somewhere else and in the midst of transportation, it got all over my fingers so i just licked it off (no more than 1mg).

Today, I ate 20mg and felt there was a strange tolerance buildup and then decided to insuffilate more but it took a lot more to get to where i wanted to go.

is it possible such a small amount the day before could create a huge tolerance buildup for the next day? I would believe so. has anyone else experienced such a tolerance buildup from a small dose affecting a further large dose?
 
I doubt it. Last year when I had no tolerance, I first tried my batch with 2 mg and during the next week, I took a normal dose (around 15 mg) and didn't felt any tolerance and had a great +3 experience. I think you are just being a bit paranoiac.
 
Merged in a question about 2C-E tolerance buildup.

I doubt that tiny amount built up any tolerance for you. Did you feel anything at all from the tiny dose? How often had you been tripping lately? I find 2C-E to be pretty variable, and I have gone through periods of time where it seemed like I couldn't get much of anywhere with it regardless of dose.
 
Anyone regularly snort more than 10mg?

So far my best time has been with about 12-14 mg insulfated. 9mg was good but didn't get me to the kaleidoscopic visual field that 12 did and felt somewhat lacking knowing the potential that the higher dose held.

Does anyone else prefer doses in this range?


Also, what oral dosage do you guys think would correlate to a 12-14mg insulfated dose? Snorting kills, and the peak seems to start to go after only two hours or so, I'm thinking oral dosing would be a lot more valuable.
 
Dragynfyr said:
Anyone regularly snort more than 10mg?

So far my best time has been with about 12-14 mg insulfated. 9mg was good but didn't get me to the kaleidoscopic visual field that 12 did and felt somewhat lacking knowing the potential that the higher dose held.

Does anyone else prefer doses in this range?


Also, what oral dosage do you guys think would correlate to a 12-14mg insulfated dose? Snorting kills, and the peak seems to start to go after only two hours or so, I'm thinking oral dosing would be a lot more valuable.


probably 26-30mg orally. snorting it is terrible, especially that much but i get much more intense visuals but for a shorter period of time. 10+mg insuffilated is such a beautiful experience (except for that annoying pain).

try eating 15mg-20mg and then when you are coming up, bump like 5mg or so once or twice.
 
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