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Phenethylamines [2C-E Subthread] 2C-E Dosage and Methods of Administration

^ yeah for someone's first acid trip with no tolerance you'd not hand them a five or ten strip...same approach should apply to 2c-e.

My first trip I did ~26mg and it was by far the strongest trip of my life, was +++ for over 14 hours and it was far more intense than I was expecting.

I'd go with 18mg oral as a good starting point...otherwise if you're going nasal at least it kicks in almost immediately so you could do like 4mg and wait 15 mins and adjust from there with little bumps. If you don't mind nasal a good way to approach is it to do miniscule bumps of like 1mg each and wait 5 mins between bumps and keep going til u hit the sweet spot...that also would prevent your nasal cavities from burning like you snorted chlorine.
 
i'd say 12mg is a much better 'starting point' for oral 2c-e, especially for those who are noobs to 2c-x in general. obviously if you've had several 2c-i trips under your belt you will be able to adjust your own sensitivity accordingly.
 
What's the dosage like compared to 2ci? From what I've read it varies widely and has a very steep dosage curve. I'm getting some 2ce soon, and I was just wondering the best dosages to split it up into for oral RoA. Last time I got 2ci and I had em split into 30mg caps. Just a little too strong for my tastes. The consensus from everyone that tried it was it was significantly too strong haha.
According to erowid, the upper end of the both their dosages is 30mg for a "strong" dose, but from what I've been reading it seems that 2ce dosages are recommended to be lower than 2ci. I was thinking closer to 20mg caps this time, maybe 15's.
Personally, I'm a fairly experienced 'naut, and I've dealt with very high doses before. To figure out my own preferred dose, I'd just take some and adjust next time accordingly. However, a bunch of my friends are interested in this too and they aren't as experienced. I don't want to melt their brains haha. But then again, these are the same friends I gave 30mg 4-aco-dmt, and they loved those. And before you ask, I don't have a cap filler or a scale precise enough so I'm getting my friend(the one I'm getting it from) to weigh it for me so once they're measured out, I can't really change the doses.
What do you think would be the most enjoyable recreational dose?
 
15mg should be on the high end of a recreational dose range, 10mg is purely recreational but a little weak for many. 20mg is what I would consider a normal "strong" dose for experienced trippers.
 
I agree, 15mg was my first 2ce trip and it was pretty mindblowing. once you start getting over 20mg though even a couple mg more or less can have a pretty heavy impact on the intensity and duration of the trip. I peaked out dosage-wise at about 35mg and it was without a doubt the most intense trip of my life. ++++ for at least 7-8 hours.
 
I did some 2ce around 40 mg + snorted...seriously intense man can't remember most of the trip, my buddies told me I had been up talking gibberish for hours...It felt very positive but I was completely out of my mind in a dream like state. Was looking for something very intense and that's what it gave me...
 
Being very experienced with most of the phen's and tryp's, I decided not to do a tolerance tester with 2c-e. ~30mg orally dissolved in orange juice and 1500mg of vitamin c powder was added - first experience with this substance, same for my girl. I can tell you that even if you're so-called "experienced" ~30+ mg as an introductory dose to this stuff may not be the wisest choice. We both had a great time and the visuals were incredible as well as the auditory flange/phasing effects. Even got some synesthesia for a little while during the peak. The body load is definitely strong though. It was very reminiscient of mescaline to me at that dose. I was unable to get comfortable throughout the experience. I don't do needles so nothing to add to that discussion though rectally is the way to go... it is more mdma-ish but still got incredible visuals. Use caution and take care with anything like this fellas. My set and setting were wonderful - had they not been at this dose it could have easily gone south very quickly.
 
Thanks guys. I think I'm gonna go with the 15s then. How's it compare with 4aco-dmt? Ideally, I'd want a dosage that has the same relatively intensity as 30mg of 4aco
 
I did 70+mg two weeks back, between orally and insuffulation. Also, I also had 25mg of 2c-d and numerous ecstacy over the course of the trip. Had a party to attend and it unexpectedly crept up on me, meaning 50mg diazepam. Bad idea. Couldn't give an indication of time but it didn't appear too intense.
 
been doin a mix of things, plugging it at first, and snorting it thru out the night.
i gota admit, plugging it is rough. in my case i felt like i had to take a superslammer but toughd it out man, only like 15mins of the hell then everything is bliss ;)
dont kno howmuch i use each time.. knife keybumps to snort, and a nice pile of 2ce to plug.

on round 2 tonite
 
Interesting what people have said here about not going for a high dose the first time. Admittedly my first few trips with 2C-E were all low doses, but I've taken 3 peoples' psychedelic virginities, all with 2C-E, all with medium to high doses, and they all had absolutely wonderful experiences, with none of the nausea or commonly reported negative side-effects people seem to experience. Mind over matter imo, I avoided mentioning anything about it being possibly nauseous or negative to them, assured them all it would be wonderful, and it was.

That said though, I'd say it really depends on the person's state of mind more than the dose. If someone's in a good setting, with someone making sure they're safe and happy, and they're happy already - then any dose (within a reasonable limit of course) will be brilliant and enjoyable, but if the opposite is true, even a rather low dose can go catastrophically wrong.

Am I the only one who takes drastically different doses every time they take 2C-E? I mean sometimes I'll take 10mg, sometimes 15, other times 30, I've even gone as high as 50mg, or more if you count combined oral + nasal. I find I always seem to know how much to take a particular night, and it's equally wonderful whichever dose I go with, though an entirely different experience.
 
Converted 5 grams 2C-E HCL to the monophosphate, to make it less corrosive and more soluble, using the method published in the patent for amphetamine monophosphate. Mixed it with 10 grams inositol to make it bulky enough to be practical to weigh out into doses. Being cautious, I started out with 25 mg of the mixture, about 8 mg of 2C-E, mixed into about 50 ml water. Felt a light effect about 2 hours later but nothing serious, so I weighed out another 15 mg of the mixture and dropped it directly onto my tongue. Wasn't corrosive at all, just slightly bitter tasting. Kept it in my mouth for a few minutes to see if it would absorb. Got tired of that after about 5 minutes and just swallowed it. Could probably rail it without nose burn, but I haven't tried it yet.

Over the next several hours I got a little stronger effects, but it was still just on the cusp of being actually psychedelic. Never really achieved full liftoff, just some waviness in the visual field, coronas around objects and faint CEVs. Slight body load, just a constant gnawing in my belly type feeling. No real nausea but just an uncomfortable knot in my belly that never went away through the whole thing, kind of irritating, like with mushrooms but less severe. There were some light muscle tremors, mostly in the backs of my legs, much like with LSD, similar "chemical crotch" feeling too, if you know what I mean.

It was getting late in the day so I didn't bother to increase dosage at that point. Next time will take a Benadryl beforehand, to try to avoid the stomach upset, and a larger dose, probably 60 mg of the mixture, being 20 mg of 2C-E monophosphate. The monophosphate also has the advantage of being nonhygroscopic. You can store it as a nice chalky dry powder forever. I could tell that with an increased dose of about 50% it would be a solid psychedelic effect. That research will have to be left for next weekend.
 
Jesusgreen, I usually take low doses. I sometimes fiend for more since its 'almost psychedelic' and I almost got it right, so I would take more if I felt that way. I take it rarely, and its not for fun most of the time to me. A lot of people report its like X, I don't know how it is, but I am glad they find it recreational. I view it more of a tool. Its very good.

When I snort it I get no visuals. When I eat it I get many visuals. I have no idea why that is, but I like eaten anyways. Does anyone else have this effect?

Everyone else reports getting very horny, but I feel non sexual, my dick turns into a raisin.

Jason, you mixing it with inositol could have made a non homogeneous mixture.
 
On the subject of insufflation

Umm, not sure what to say about snorting 2ce. One of my friends who has snorted a lot of m1, Molly, and 4 aco once (which is really painful) decided to go balls deep and snort 2ce. We were hanging out in an arboretum whith miles of magical forest for the next 5 hours or so. Oh, I was the trip sitter and driver and I was on m1 and adderall and they were on 2ce. We've all taken 23-28mg doses about 5 times. He snorted it (23-25 mg) and looked up and said "I need to get out of the car this is about 5 times worse than 4aco dmt. He was incapacitated and puked a couple times for another 15 minutes and after that just in extreme pain for 15 minutes. After that he had an unbelievable time and said whatthefuwhatawow! A lot. He was unbelievably high in the best way, he thought rivers were blood red and the entire forest was moving around. He said "nothing could be worth that much pain, but anything is worth that kind of trip". Also noteworthy the trip was shorter which was nice. Normally we all have 24 hours with visuals on 25 mg but he was feeling pretty normal by morning and he was only frying super hard for 4-5 hours. Insufflation is your choice. He plans to do it again but in a couple years haha
 
Tried snorting 10 mg of 2C-E phosphate today. It was cut 2 to 1 with inositol. Slight burning sensation but nothing major. No stomach upset or headache were produced. I got moderate psychedelic effects. Can't say I'm really enjoying 2C-E though. Feels more like something to be endured than enjoyed.

Converting to the phosphate salt apparently reduces corrosiveness and may reduce some of the body load effects. I can't say, because I didn't try the HCL form at all after reading about the unpleasant side effects. Conversion to the phosphate still doesn't make it actually pleasant though. LSD has a pleasant feeling to it, whereas 2C-E seems devoid of that. It feels much like a mushroom type effect, more than an LSD type effect. There's no ecstasy involved.

I can see that this was not a productive purchase for me. Something that will sit in a drawer somewhere probably forever. I might try it again someday, but I feel no compulsion to do so anytime soon. What's the point? It's not even fun. Think I'll stick with good ol' reliable Cannabis. That's the only thing that actually does what I want a drug to do. That and possibly LSD, which really is a unique and valuable substance, in my opinion, and the only psychedelic that I can truly say that I ever enjoyed. The trick is keeping to a low dose. That's where the best visuals are with the least mental confusion.
 
2C-E may be usable if it were mixed with something else, like amphetamine phosphate. By itself it just doesn't give me a pleasurable effect. Admittedly I used low doses. Maybe it gets better with higher doses. I also haven't tried it with diphenhydramine yet, which is supposed to decrease bad effects and increase good effects. I would like to get some use out of it, since I bought a substantial amount. It just needs something else mixed with it so you have the psychedelia and also a pleasurable component. I'll have to do more experimentation. Maybe simple ephedrine would help. That's still legal in Canada. I can buy bottles of 8 mg tablets over the counter at bodybuilding stores. They can't be sold in higher dosages than 8 mg but you can just take 4 or 5 of them. Might be good mix. Not overly stimulating but enough to make it enjoyable. Maybe if I made ephedrine phosphate it would probably be smoother than the HCL. Probably mix better with the 2C-E phosphate too. Otherwise they might react somehow. I'll let you know if I find a mixture that works for me.

Actually, I think 2C-I may be better, because it has norepinephrine reuptake inhibiting effects about the same as MDMA, from a study I saw. That's what makes MDMA pleasurable. I just ordered 2 grams 2C-I so in a few days I will have it and see if it's any better. It's completely legal in my country so I can say that. I am conducting valuable research, what's the problem? Somebody has to research whether or not 2C-I is enjoyable, and I'm that dude. It woud be wrong to administer the substance to another person or animal, so I have to do a Dr. Jekyl type of research. I have to self administer the material, for the good of science. If 2C-I is also not enjoyable then I guess there are no good research chems at all. That would be a shame.
 
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