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Phenethylamines [2C-B Subthread] Dosage & Methods of Administration

Probably a lot of us know snorting 2C-B is a bitch, but how about if you would snort some lidocaine with or before it?
Same question goes for DPT and other stuff with a *cough* afterburn...
 
a lot of people I know like the pain involved in snorting it, part o' the experience. Heh. or as they used to say in the student manual at reed college, "its like getting kicked in the face by a psychedelic horse!" :D
 
Was kind of what I would expect from someone whose location is Abu Ghraib ;)
I can imagine it being a part of it with 2C-B, sometimes it's actually okay that way, but about half the times I did it I could have done with less and with DPT it's not like getting kicked but a really annoying lingering deep sizzling of your flesh that just gets in the way of the trip.
I may be able to order some lidocaine together with carisoprodol and it would be effective for stuff like this, the lidocain that is. I would agree with what I heard before, that snorting 2C-B or 2C-C is damn near perfect if it wasn't for the pain.
 
heh. yeah, the pain doesnt do it for me personally :D, and the lidocaine idea has always intrigued me. DPT insufflated is quite possibly one of my personal "weirdest" psychedelic experiences, and yeah, the discomfort involved is really puts a sour spin on things. And i need every bit of " assurance" when I enter that twisting warped DPT world! 2C-B not so much. The pain has always seemed "deeper" than what could be remedied by a topical local anesthetic, even if that physiologically doesnt make too make too much sense. Give it a shot and let us know! The kids at Reed years ago knew 2C-B as "bromo-mescaline" and it was everywhere; and they seemd to more approach it almost like DMT, a blow yr world apart psychedelic, not a go out on the town thing. . You were going to snort this snuff, around 25 mg being the normal dose, be in extreme pain, and then completely leave this world for two hours.....heh. repeat as desired! :D
 
Ive come across some brown 2c-b, supposedly it was a chloride instead of a bromide salt and it definatly burned less than what im used to with my white stuff. The dosage was pretty much the same as what im used to as well as the subjective effects.
 
The dosages of the hydrochloric and hydrobromic salt actually do differ by definition. The molar masses also differ, that's why. I've had both salts and yes I think it was the HCl salt that dissolves better in water which is why it doesn't stay as long to irritate your mucous membranes in your nose. But still ;)
 
can you smoke 2c-b? I've never heard of people doing this but i wasnt sure if it were just impossible or if it was just unpopular
 
You can smoke any 2C, I think - certainly the ones I've tried smoking (well, vaping) work - but it's often a pretty unpleasant experience. The smoke can really burn your lungs (2C-I and 2C-C were especially bad) and the trip itself is short and intense but it's not a good intensity. Feels very dirty and like you've really damaged yourself whenever I've tried it.

I wouldn't recommend smoking any 2C and have only done so myself a coupla times (second time to make sure I don't like it ;)) out of sheer experimentation and in the hope of quick onset and low dose without the pain of sniffing or the hassle of plugging (not always practical in some situations). I most likely won't be doing it again with any of them but it does work... to an extent.

PS: Bodyload seems to be increased by smoking for me too - applies to all I've tried - and a splitting headache seems to be unavoidable. It just feels nasty and the trip you get ain't very good, in short :)
 
yeah they both burn like a mother but it is the HCl salt which is less soluble in water.....it is crystallized in water and just *barely* soluble in it.....the HBr is a lttle less severe but still TOO MUCH for me...and it is indeed heavier, roughly 29mg of the HBr to 25mg of the HCl.....i prefer oral, plugging is nice but i found the come up a bit severe for my tastes. cheers :D
 
I have a natural tolerance to pain so i usually insuffilate between 20 and 60mg. I think i have the HBr salt because its white, can anyone tell me if most of the HCl salt samples are brown or white?
 
they should both be white. but often, if one is to be tinted, it is generally the hydrobromide due to lazy ass "technicians". put some in a *small* amount of water. The HBr goes in easy peasy...the HCl takes some work
 
Now that you mention it, it is the HBr that dissolves better. Right.
And it's my experience as well that the HCl is white more often.
All makes me wonder if the acetate salt or another would dissolve so
well that snorting is not a problem anymore...?
 
well unfortunately the damn acetate burns too. If out of the three id say the HBr burns the least , but it still burns. This psychedelic horses hooves just cant be shorn......;D
 
So I plan to take 2C-B next week at a large rave environment but I am inexperienced with psychedelics. I've taken MDMA numerous times and could handle that very well, but then I realize that MDMA and 2C-B are completely different. I would like to get that E+LSD visual effect that people are talking about but I don't want to be completely mindfucked since I will be in public (though I will have friends to look out for me).

Since the mindwarping effects of 2C-B seem to be highly variable, would any of you say that the mindspace change is in any way similar to the mind change that occurs while high on plain old weed? I ask this because I do not consider weed to be a good party drug for me as I usually get kinda anti-social and a little paranoid - around non-high people - when i smoke some indicas.

So as a first time newbie to real psychedelics, should I start off with a 15 mg oral dose first, wait 1.5 to 2 hrs, observe what happens, then re-dose if needed (maybe another 5mg if needed)? Or is it less effective to re-dose after the initial dose?

The thing is that I am completely unsure how I will be affected by 2c-B but I'm really interested in it's effects that make it similar to MDMA and LSD. All I know is that the first few times I was ever high on weed, I got some interesting minor OEVs and distortions of my visual field. Should this be an indication that I am more sensitive to psychedelics (weed is classified as a mild psychedelic)? I no longer get any visual effects from weed of any sort in the present day. Also, should one visual experience with MDMA be an indication of susceptibility to psychedelics? One occurrence during the gradual comedown of a MDMA roll, I was experiencing some very interesting and beautiful imagery of psychedelic landscapes while my eyes were partially closed.

In any case, I'm seeking some more advice to taking this drug in a rave environment. Thanksss
 
Question 1:
is 2cb best absorbed

  • through stomach
  • through mouth/tongue (eating it)
  • through nose


i am under the impression you CAN eat it, swallow it or snort it (but snorting is too painful)

also...does the method of ingestion effect onset of peak by much?

i have read varying reports of how long it takes for 2cb to come on to full strength

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Question 2:
i have read numerous times on here that re-dosing of 2cb (during one night) is a waste.

one of the reasons stated is that you cant go any higher...only extend the peak.

however, from my (limited) experiences i have found that you can keep taking it all night and i usually find i end up tripping harder by the later half of the night than the first few hours.

any thoughts on this?

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In response to earlier post:
superr

what kind of rave is it? outdoor? indoor? small? close friends? good music or DJ's you dont like....etc

are you going alone? if you just want to have a nice experience and dance (music is amazing on 2cb) then you could always not go for a heroic dose and just play it safe with a more moderate dose.


2cb always makes me want to dance but i know of people who have had rough times in public on higher dosages

good luck

i wish i was going to a rave soon
 
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Cricketbee, I'm happy to see you so active :) But creating new threads is meant for topics not covered yet... Apparently you have found this 2C-B subthread so you oughta understand I merged your thread about methods of administration here.

If you don't mind I also glued your posts together, it was getting large with all the spaces and seperate posts. ;)

To answer your first question,
Eating it is the same as absorption from your stomache. I would estimate snorting it to be 1.7x-2.2x as potent as eating it so you need less material.
It can definitely be painful but it passes soon. Honestly some of the time I found the pain not
to be bad at all while at other times it is very stingy, sharp and not extremely bareable.
This depends on some unknown factors but also the type of salt you have. You see 2C-B comes
in the HCl and HBr salt form most of the time and maybe occasionally in others.
The HBr salt is more soluble in water and therefore it doesn't sit in your nose making it hurt as much. The HCl salt is more painful to snort. They also differ in potency just a little.

To answer your second question briefly:
Redosing works but not that well at all. I tried it but I found it not to be worthwhile. You would have to redose quite high to battle tolerance but even though it may seem like a good idea redosing at the comedown of your trip just doesn't give you a very interesting experience and more side-effects. I never did it again after that time.
 
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sorry for all the posts...i found this thread after posting my first, and I couldnt find anything specifically on EATING it. (of course it is a 12 page thread so...)

i wasnt sure if it needed stomach acids or anything to break it down

anyway..thanks so much for the info!
 
Thanks for replying. So I recently took 20 mg of 2c-b at a very large rave along with a few other friends (who all dosed MDMA); it was my first time trying a real psychedelic. I had eaten a sandwich about 2-3 hrs before dosing so I guess the come-up period was slightly longer. I was feeling some initial effects a bit after the 1 hr mark with noticeable body load. The come-up had a similar speedy edge like a classic MDMA come-up but it wasn't nearly as "pushy" as MDMA. From the 1.5 hr to 2 hr mark I was feeling slight changes in time perception as 5 minutes felt something like 30 mins to an hr. At this point, with my eyes closed, I could visualize the music and saw some interesting and colorful fractal patterns, though they were not super pronounced. No OEVs apparent yet. I did get a slightly confused mental feeling and my depth perception seemed a bit off. However, it seemed like the 2c-b was not at all difficult to handle in such a large public space. It was during a lightshow that I saw some nice trails but no other OEVs apparent even at the 2 hr mark.

30-40 minutes after the 2 hr come-up period and no other effects later, I was aware that I probably hadn't dosed enough. The 20 mgs I dosed was just enough for me to see where the drug was going to take me if I had taken maybe 5-10 mgs more. I was enjoying where it was going, but my dose was not enough :(.

Overall I kinda enjoyed that low threshold dose of 2C-B but I would probably not take it again in a rave environment where everybody is on a MDMA high (though I would consider doing 2C-B + MDMA in the future). Next time I take 2C-B I think I will take it in a more relaxed closed environment to really see the full effects.

And while the 2C-B didn't really hit me, I took a very decent and clean E pill (tested to be around 85 mg MDMA by the DEA) and I had a great time. However it seemed like the MDMA took over the 2C-B feeling and the two substances did not synergize except for my depth perception being a bit off for the next hr or two.


tl;dr : tried 2c-b at a rave, took 20 mgs didn't hit me much. would try again but prob not in rave setting, though not difficult on the mind. took MDMA and the E overtook the 2C-B but had an awesome time.
 
Anyone know what the duration of 2c-b is plugged, and IV'ed? Also the increase in potency when IV'ed? I figure they're shorter than snorting(roughly like, 4-5 hour duration insufflated I'd say), but not sure exactly how much shorter. Same goes with dosage vs insuff. I'm sure its smaller, but not exactly how much. Earlier in the read someone says plugging is probably about 2x stronger, dose wise. I can't find anything on how to scale IV dosage though.
 
Any ideas on 5-HTP and 2CB? Will try later tonight and report back. Been taking 100 mgs 2 times a day for the past week now.
 
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