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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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swilow said:
Would you say Vietnam was justified?

I'd be deeply concerned that a Korea Part II would ramp up into a broader and more fiery conflict.

Personally, I'm not sure its up to the US to intervene in regional disputes. Track record isn't great. :\
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The Pentagon Papers patently prove that Vietnam was a justification to create a third wall to keep China in place. I don't entirely agree with the purpose of that war.
 
tathra said:
Trump wants a war partly because its traditionally the easiest way to ensure re-election (to keep power) until he figures out how to do a Reichstag Fire
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I sincerely hope that is not the case. I definitely do agree with the first sentiment in particular, war is the best political move a president can make. :|
 
25th amendment, section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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Every day i hope and every day is a disappointment. Although I'd much rather see him dragged out in handcuffs, but the sooner hes out, the better.
 
Lmao the policy of "strategic patience" employed by decades of feckless leadership, is the reason NK is now a nuclear power. Many say now the conditions for the people of NK are worse than those in concentration camps of WW2. In fact I read that article on some liberal rag the other day either WAPO or politico. As soon as Un runs out of gifts to give, to pay off the folks below him, the whole thing come tumbling down. I suspect that's when seole SK will cease to be. Honeslty if there were another Korean War I would sign up to go. It would be terrible and wouldn't want to just sit by and watch. Might be too old, but I'm in really good shape so idk. I suspect something is going to happen in the near future. Maybe Dennis rodman is diplomat America needs to deescalate lmao
 
tathra said:
china is supporting n.korea and we're supporting s.korea. and yes, we're far too big for n.korea to win in a fight against us, but i'm pretty sure getting into a fight with n.korea means getting into a fight with china, and china would win against us on sheer numbers. and n.korea could do a shitton of damage against us, especially knowing that they wont come out of the fight alive. cornered animals are fucking vicious. its just not worth it.
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Again, stabilizing. North Korea thinks that China would have their backs if they got attacked.

I strongly suspect that China has its own plans on how to do a coup if Kim gets too aggressive though. Way too many trading partners would be effected in a war.
 
did anybody see the usa today editorial on trump?

obviously there are people - some here - for whom trump can do no wrong. this isn't an anti-trump 'fake news' attack from the liberal msm. this is an editorial opinion from a populist paper which has, for years, steered clear of picking political sides. it's telling that the board feels compelled to issue such a scathing rebuke:

Will Trump's lows ever hit rock bottom?

With his latest tweet, clearly implying that a United States senator would trade sexual favors for campaign cash, President Trump has shown he is not fit for office. Rock bottom is no impediment for a president who can always find room for a new low.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Tuesday dismissed the president's smear as a misunderstanding because he used similar language about men. Of course, words used about men and women are different. When candidate Trump said a journalist was bleeding from her "wherever," he didn't mean her nose.

And as is the case with all of Trump's digital provocations, the president's words were deliberate. He pours the gasoline of sexist language and lights the match gleefully knowing how it will burst into flame in a country reeling from the #MeToo moment.

A president who would all but call Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand a whore is not fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library or to shine the shoes of George W. Bush.

This isn’t about the policy differences we have with all presidents or our disappointment in some of their decisions. Obama and Bush both failed in many ways. They broke promises and told untruths, but the basic decency of each man was never in doubt.

Donald Trump, the man, on the other hand, is uniquely awful. His sickening behavior is corrosive to the enterprise of a shared governance based on common values and the consent of the governed.

It should surprise no one how low he went with Gillibrand. When accused during the campaign of sexually harassing or molesting women in the past, Trump’s response was to belittle the looks of his accusers. Last October, Trump suggested that he never would have groped Jessica Leeds on an airplane decades ago: “Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you.” Trump mocked another accuser, former People reporter Natasha Stoynoff, “Check out her Facebook, you’ll understand.” Other celebrities and politicians have denied accusations, but none has stooped as low as suggesting that their accusers weren’t attractive enough to be honored with their gropes.

If recent history is any guide, the unique awfulness of the Trump era in U.S. politics is only going to get worse. Trump’s utter lack of morality, ethics and simple humanity has been underscored during his 11 months in office.
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The nation doesn’t seek nor expect perfect presidents, and some have certainly been deeply flawed. But a president who shows such disrespect for the truth, for ethics, for the basic duties of the job and for decency toward others fails at the very essence of what has always made America great.
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indeed.

there's no doubt that independent voters played a big role in electing trump in 2016. obviously it depends on whose numbers you choose to believe but a quick, random sample suggests that independents swung to trump about 42% to 48% compared to clinton.

in recent polls. independents are abandoning him:

TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING HITS RECORD LOW IN YET ANOTHER POLL, AS HIS POPULARITY PLUMMETS AMONG INDEPENDENT WOMEN
Trump Losing the Supporters He Needs Most: Independents
Trump's approval rating has fallen in every single state since he became President

draw your own conclusions.

alasdair
 
Regardless of politics, how anybody could vote for him or support him with the way he talks about people and how idiotic and childish he sounds is beyond me. Just goes to show you how fucked up this country is. People are going to look back and say "how the fuck was that guy ever even president?
 
alasdairm said:
did anybody see the usa today editorial on trump?

obviously there are people - some here - for whom trump can do no wrong. this isn't an anti-trump 'fake news' attack from the liberal msm. this is an editorial opinion from a populist paper which has, for years, steered clear of picking political sides. it's telling that the board feels compelled to issue such a scathing rebuke:

Will Trump's lows ever hit rock bottom?

(my emphasis)

indeed.

there's no doubt that independent voters played a big role in electing trump in 2016. obviously it depends on whose numbers you choose to believe but a quick, random sample suggests that independents swung to trump about 42% to 48% compared to clinton.

in recent polls. independents are abandoning him:

TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING HITS RECORD LOW IN YET ANOTHER POLL, AS HIS POPULARITY PLUMMETS AMONG INDEPENDENT WOMEN
Trump Losing the Supporters He Needs Most: Independents
Trump's approval rating has fallen in every single state since he became President

draw your own conclusions.

alasdair
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Oh bwahahahha are you really trying to claim USAtoday isn't just another liberal rag that runs fake news style hit pieces? USAtoday had more clout when its original founder was alive, its now just a shadow of what it once was.
 
^ yep. absolutely.

it's obviously hard to measure the bias of a media source but allsides.com rates usa today as "center". for comparison and context, the new york times is rated "lean left" and fox news is rated "lean right".

you may have made your mind up before you read the whole thing, droppers. i'd be interested to hear some comments from less biased bl'ers on the impact of trump's slide among independents.

alasdair
 
Personally I don't care about how biased they are or aren't or in what direction. If any other outlet had published the above editorial I'd still have profoundly agreed with it.

Trump is a man who belongs as the host of ultra conservative talk radio. What we have is one of those people made president.
 
tathra said:
"Doesn't agree with my bias" != biased
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Everything has bias, not a single entity is without it. I don't trust any of it, as they are all owned by about 7 entities, and recycle the same shit. Ali if I wasn't on my phone I'd take the time to see how the conducted their polling, bc that's really all that matters. Anymore there isn't any objective, but rather editors of site trying to lead you into buying the narrative they want to sell you. I'm beyond a pessimist at this point, if you couldn't tell lol
 
^^ If I wasn't _____, I'd come up with a single citation ever. :D

If you're thinking this is just more criticism from another liberal editorial board, you would be wrong. As the unofficial newspaper of U.S. travelers, USA Today strives for political neutrality, even on its opinion page. It has never endorsed a presidential candidate.
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A Liberal Rag

USA Today is as centrist and vanilla as a paper can be. (Finding Trump to be distasteful is not a liberal position. See: the GOP.)
 
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