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(Thanks guys, I was just looking for highlights)

I wish it was as easy as just griping in an online drug forum to affect any aspect of politics.

I felt it most before W invaded the wrong country. I went out in SF to be another body in the masses, the same time (actually like day after) there were protests on all seven continents (Antarctica too). Iraq was the most openly aggressive, stupid act in modern history. And pointless after all. But did we affect change by yelling and gathering and eatnig gooballs? My one and only bumper sticker? Not a chance.

Trump is having his chance right now, whether I whine or not, and when he's finally out of there, he'll have no one to blame but his own people.
 
alasdairm said:
*continuous autistic quoting of my comment in order to try and prove an unnecessary point*
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Does it upset you when I speculate?
Are you going to refrain from speculation too? If not, maybe you can drop the whole childish semantic argument and focus on the legitimate points that I bring up which are far worthier of discussion (although may be uncomfortable for you to answer). I always make it obvious when I speculate as opposed to stating facts. Some issues by their nature are unable to be quantitatively verified which I hoped you would've worked out by now. So maybe grow up a little, you often make yourself look stupid and immature in your quests to make others appear wrong or hypocritical.

Scrofula said:
I felt it most before W invaded the wrong country. I went out in SF to be another body in the masses, the same time (actually like day after) there were protests on all seven continents (Antarctica too). Iraq was the most openly aggressive, stupid act in modern history. And pointless after all. But did we affect change by yelling and gathering and eatnig gooballs? My one and only bumper sticker? Not a chance.

Trump is having his chance right now, whether I whine or not, and when he's finally out of there, he'll have no one to blame but his own people.
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And during the 8 years between Dubya invading Iraq and Trump being inaugurated, what happened? Did Obama really change anything? Or did he make things worse? Was that Trump's fault that Obama turned out to be an incompetent and dangerous liar? Some of the inherited problems that I see Trump getting blamed for are ridiculous.
 
Liquid, I too would prefer you didn't use "autistic" as a slur. If for no other reason than my cousin doesn't act like that.

And Obama got a lot of us OUT of Iraq, though not completely.

Saudi Arabia attacks us, let's invade not one but two different countries. The main guy behind it is cornered in the mountains by CIA on horseback, who ask for air support. Nah, we're invading this fucker, let him go off and hide in Pakistan, make him a useful bogeyman for the next eight years.

I like to think my dog could have handled that better.


Quick: what are your thoughts on W?
 
trump has escalated every single theatre of war the USA is involved with.

i guess his loyal defenders will stop talking about how former presidents were such evil warmongering "psychopaths".
they're running out of things to talk about.
 
Scrofula said:
Quick: what are your thoughts on W?
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Dubya was a dumb cowboy that inherited the family business. I think much less of people like Karl Rove and Dick Cheney (along with the rest of Dubya's PNAC administration). Whoever they took their orders from (MI-C, defense contractors, Deep State, Zionists), Obama took his orders from the same people. Obama promising change and then proceeding to be Bush 2.0 foreign policy-wise is what should have made everyone realize the charade.

Scrofula said:
And Obama got a lot of us OUT of Iraq, though not completely.
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8 years and he couldn't end a pointless war? It's because it was never meant to end. These military operations are making a small number of people very rich while continuing to bankrupt American taxpayers. Obama had the chance and didn't end Afghanistan either while Trump is now completely lambasted for adding more troops (a move I disagree with). Obama didn't close Guantanamo. Obama went in and murdered the head of a sovereign state (Libya) while completely destabilizing the entire country and creating a hotbed for terrorism and international crime. Libya was a blatant Bush-level invasion. I don't place the entire blame onto Obama personally because I understand the internal pressure he faced and power that he acquiesced. He is the fall guy just like Dubya was. Now with Trump things are very different but we are witnessing the real power-brokers of the USA versus a political outsider that wants to make sweeping changes.

spacejunk said:
trump has escalated every single theatre of war the USA is involved with.
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You are in fantasy land. Trump cut CIA funding to terrorist rebels in Syria which is a huge move that he is not getting enough credit for. This was a direct act against the warring establishment. Trump has attempted to de-escalate tensions with Russia (unsuccessfully thanks to an insidious establishment falsely blaming them for altering the outcome of the US election). Trump is not going around picking fights with other countries like some neocon/neolib shill. He aims to focus on domestic issues and improving the internal affairs of the country, which is what previous presidents should have done ages ago. How can one go around lecturing the rest of the world how to live when their country is in shambles? Trump has made comments directed at other states yet they're generally related to trade. It's OK to call out another country out if they're ripping you off. The US is also in a position militarily where it does not need to be too concerned about attacks from other states, and you are being silly if you honestly sit there and state that countries are going to engage in total war over some offside comments.

Liquid, I too would prefer you didn't use "autistic" as a slur
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OK.
 
^ his supporters don't care :(

i don't like to drift this off-topic but, in the interests of transparency and to head off allegations of nazi-modding at the start, you'll see that liquidmethod is temporarily banned from bluelight. the reason is simple.

he recently used a term describing people with a developmental disability as a pejorative:

LiquidMethod said:
Yeah, that that is basically all you have and feel the autistic urge to repeat it constantly.
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he was asked clearly and civilly to not do that:

alasdairm said:
i am not autistic and i'd ask you to not use a term describing people with developmental disabilities as an insult.
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he chose to do it again:

alasdairm said:
*continuous autistic quoting of my comment in order to try and prove an unnecessary point*
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he was infracted per s.o.p. tripping a temporary ban.

if anybody has a problem with this or wishes to discuss it, please pm me or start a thread in support.

thanks.

alasdair
 
My response did not post, which is a bummer...

Liquid, I hope you have a beautiful day. I realize that I will never convince you that speaking the way that Donald Trump speaks about women is nefarious, disgusting, horrific, etc. I will never convince you not to believe blindly in any one source. I will not convince you that I do not blindly tow the party line. I will continue to discuss what I think of the President, however I will no longer invest in trying to get you to answer my simple questions. I tip my hat to you. I will however still speak of what I see in our once great nation, and in regards to one of what should be the highest esteemed offices of the world. I will make sure to link anything I claim as fact to a source I got it from, I will name this source (so you don't have to follow a link just to find out that it is to a Clinton owned... we'll just call it a source.

{Huge effort made on my part not to be sarcastic (which I succeded in), and not rant (which is up to you as the reader).}


Trump was in town... they shutdown half of the city. Traffic was horrendous and (unfairly) I blame this on the man personally. Maybe it is because the mayor asked him not to come, maybe it is because it looked like a war zone there was so many police crawling my city, or maybe it is because Trump thinks so highly of himself, I can't believe this is normal. I know different, years ago I worked on a national disaster during which they flew Bush (the senior) in to take a look. We had to shut down roads for 10 miles in each direction. it was a joke...

The paper here says that he had 25 pro Trump protesters (what are they protesting?) and 400-500 anti Trump protesters... This falls in line with the fact that Trump did not receive the majority of the popular vote (you know, the one where the people of this great union cast their opinion...), however he did win the Electoral Vote:
While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, Trump won 30 states worth a total of 306 electors, or 57% of the 538 available. {Link goes to Wikepedia, which is just the most common place to get answers, but there are other places to confirm these numbers, search engine (Google) results here). Which might be where all those women were that you asked about, Liquid.

Now I want to know how many women sit in the electoral college... Information on who they were, and who they voted for can be found here. It looks like the majority are men, and the majority of the women pledged to vote for Hilary, but not always denote how they actually voted.

Peace- grsh
 
^ he's obsessed with validation. in phoenix the first line of his speech was: "And just so you know from the Secret Service, there aren't too many people outside protesting, OK. That I can tell you."

there's a pattern of his believing that people exaggerate the size of his opposition and downplay the size of his support. it started on day one of his presidency with his absolutely ridiculous comments about the size of the inauguration crowd.

obviously it depends on who you choose to believe but there were [thousands of people protesting his rally. one estimate put the size of the crowd at the rally at 15,000 and the number of protestors outside at 5,000. hardly "aren't too many people"...

alasdair
 
G.R.S.H. said:
My response did not post, which is a bummer...

Liquid, I hope you have a beautiful day. I realize that I will never convince you that speaking the way that Donald Trump speaks about women is nefarious, disgusting, horrific, etc. I will never convince you not to believe blindly in any one source. I will not convince you that I do not blindly tow the party line. I will continue to discuss what I think of the President, however I will no longer invest in trying to get you to answer my simple questions. I tip my hat to you. I will however still speak of what I see in our once great nation, and in regards to one of what should be the highest esteemed offices of the world. I will make sure to link anything I claim as fact to a source I got it from, I will name this source (so you don't have to follow a link just to find out that it is to a Clinton owned... we'll just call it a source.

{Huge effort made on my part not to be sarcastic (which I succeded in), and not rant (which is up to you as the reader).}


Trump was in town... they shutdown half of the city. Traffic was horrendous and (unfairly) I blame this on the man personally. Maybe it is because the mayor asked him not to come, maybe it is because it looked like a war zone there was so many police crawling my city, or maybe it is because Trump thinks so highly of himself, I can't believe this is normal. I know different, years ago I worked on a national disaster during which they flew Bush (the senior) in to take a look. We had to shut down roads for 10 miles in each direction. it was a joke...

The paper here says that he had 25 pro Trump protesters (what are they protesting?) and 400-500 anti Trump protesters... This falls in line with the fact that Trump did not receive the majority of the popular vote (you know, the one where the people of this great union cast their opinion...), however he did win the Electoral Vote:
While Clinton received about 2.9 million more votes nationwide, a margin of 2.1%, Trump won 30 states worth a total of 306 electors, or 57% of the 538 available. {Link goes to Wikepedia, which is just the most common place to get answers, but there are other places to confirm these numbers, search engine (Google) results here). Which might be where all those women were that you asked about, Liquid.

Now I want to know how many women sit in the electoral college... Information on who they were, and who they voted for can be found here. It looks like the majority are men, and the majority of the women pledged to vote for Hilary, but not always denote how they actually voted.

Peace- grsh
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it's horrifying to see, even from the other side of the world. i can only imagine what it's like for you folks that have to live this nightmare day-in, day-out. :(

ten, or even five years ago, these scenes were a long way from people's minds.
i always associated this sort of civil unrest and political division with the riots of 1968 in places like detroit, but it seems like nowhere in america is immune to political violence.

the USA is becoming a politicised battleground in so many ways. it's sad and worrying.
trump's whole 'strongman' act, and efforts to divide communities and cause outrage is just so obvious and cynical.

i just wish - for the sake of everyone - that he would de-escalate for once. but he's a cheap showman. he's not interested in any sort of pragmatic politics, or compromise - this is why it is so dangerous to think a completely unqualified person should be in this job.

he's in so far over his head, that it's frightening. his fragile ego and pettiness is really a massive threat to humanity.

swilow said:
In the fields the bodies burning
as the war machine keeps turning.

Nothing like war to stimulate the economy hey. :\
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oh lord yeah :\


(don't you think trump makes ozzy osbourne look like a calm, balanced intellectual?) 8o
 
apologies for double-posting, but i just came across this.

trump said:
"I will never forget that my responsibility is to keep you-the American people-safe." DT, February 3, 2017.
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutstaff.shtml

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the longer trump is in power, the more catastrophic the results of his negligence, his sabotage of government (especially scientific) institutions will be.

while i *understand - in principle - the desire of trump and his supporters to turn back the clock on the social reforms of the last 60+ years, his attacks on science are just utterly insane and driven by greed and - i can only assume - resentment and stupidity.

following hurricane katrina, you'd think that the republicans would have learned a thing or two about how not to respond to natural disasters (or the threat of them)

* by "understand", i mean i can piece together how people can fall into thinking this way.
but the attacks on science are so irresponsibly backwards that i can't even begin to rationalise them. is this all about trump's gaslighting about climate change?
unbelievable. :(
 
sarah huckabee sanders describes the president's relationship with leaders in congress as "fine" but he's continuing to drive in the wedge and attack republican members of congress. i think he's trying to distance himself so that when his campaign promises are shown to have failed, he can point the finger.

he should listen to this guy:

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alasdair
 
I am so terrified of what is going on in the US, and I am not alone. The number of people trying to come up with 'exit plans' is astounding. *Please note that this is not something I got off the web, but rather from people I have spoken with personally* US citizens are feeling like it is very possible that we are the next round of refugees. I wonder which countries will be left open to us? If we wait until the collapse, how many countries will not be willing to take Americans in? I hope and pray that it doesn't come to that.

A quick thought- can you imagine how easy it will be to impress the US in the next election? This also terrfies me. I hope that we learn by this mistake that has been made. I hope that we, as a people, choose to take a good strong look at our candidates, and we, as a people, learn to listen to less of the bashing, and more of the track record. Less of the blown up promises (after all, we just saw how that works out for us), and more of the realistic ones. I hope we remember that getting him out of office is not all that we need to do, but getting someone in office that is interested in representing the people of the United States, and not their own interest, is just as important.

"What befalls the Earth, befalls the people of the Earth. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it." While not truly said by Chief Seattle, these are still words many need to hear. SCIENCE IS REAL!!!

Peace- grsh
 
GRSH said:
I am so terrified of what is going on in the US, and I am not alone. The number of people trying to come up with 'exit plans' is astounding. *Please note that this is not something I got off the web, but rather from people I have spoken with personally* US citizens are feeling like it is very possible that we are the next round of refugees. I wonder which countries will be left open to us? If we wait until the collapse, how many countries will not be willing to take Americans in? I hope and pray that it doesn't come to that.
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the really scary thing is that anyone anywhere could be in this situation any time in the next century (sooner or later) with climate change.
flooding, droughts, sea level rises, extreme weather events such as huge storms, changes in weather patterns (such as the gulf stream) - could leave any of us without a home or safe place to live - which is one of the dangerous things about the global resistance to people seeking asylum, and the cruel measures being put into place in countries like australia to "deter" refugees from seeking asylum here.
i think a lot of westerners are really complacent about our security. they look at refugees and think "that couldn't happen to me" - for whatever reason.

but in saying that - i don't mean to take anything away from your observation. i didn't quite realise it was coming to that, it's a really depressing thing to hear.
i'm quite genuinely surprised at how bad things seem to be getting - even though i always expected the worst from trump.
i'm surprised that i'm surprised...besides being just generally concerned.
 
spacejunk said:
the really scary thing is that anyone anywhere could be in this situation any time in the next century (sooner or later) with climate change.
flooding, droughts, sea level rises, extreme weather events such as huge storms, changes in weather patterns (such as the gulf stream) - could leave any of us without a home or safe place to live - which is one of the dangerous things about the global resistance to people seeking asylum, and the cruel measures being put into place in countries like australia to "deter" refugees from seeking asylum here.
i think a lot of westerners are really complacent about our security. they look at refugees and think "that couldn't happen to me" - for whatever reason.

but in saying that - i don't mean to take anything away from your observation. i didn't quite realise it was coming to that, it's a really depressing thing to hear.
i'm quite genuinely surprised at how bad things seem to be getting - even though i always expected the worst from trump.
i'm surprised that i'm surprised...besides being just generally concerned.
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Spacejunk, don't get too concerned about the US right now. I seem to be getting the feeling, not from the media per se, that Trump is gradually becoming marginalized by people in general and he's almost like yesterday's news. I get the impression the general public does pay as much attention to him. Some of the policies are not bad then again some are horrendous. I think we basically have a bloodless coup in progress. Trump respects the military. He got into trouble as a young draft dodger in his ultra plush military school. I get the feeling Kelly will leave in a heartbeat if Trump doesn't at least listen listen in the 15 sec bites he's capable of what Kelly is advising. If Kelly leaves that will be saying something very profound. Valarie Plame the outed cia agent wants to buy twitter and kick Trump off it (unless he buys it?.) Powerlessness is something he will have trouble accepting (as we all do). Can you imagine how he would cry like a little bitch when someone takes away his toy?
 
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