2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[Scrofula]

Not always the good kind.

Presidents always get way too much credit and blame for the economy. They can appoint a treasury secretary and that's about it. They don't even appoint the Fed chair, which is like the only big dial for the economy.

If congress is with them they can push the party agenda, but then it just comes down to right-wing support of the rich v. left-wing pro-union, pro-environment, pro-safe food and water and appliances and workplaces and all the things that make living not 19th century london novels and orphans and soot everywhere.

And eight months in this admin hasn't done much but fall all over everything. All twitter-shits all dyslexic prose poetry. He sounds like a time-share promotion brochure every time he speaks. Lucid dreamer did the math.

All the things that were going on in the world stopped cause he said something stupid again, and he's got to actually, you know, call the Chinese Prime whoever and he's gonna sound that stupid when he does. Repeat that headline from January to the Present. Guy can't call terrorists bad when they're white. Biggest T-ball he can get. Meanwhile the world is still happening, and the US is adrift in some alt-right fantasy fucking frog things everywhere.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Liquid, as I understand it, you're an Aussie yeah? Well, over here in America where I can see the direct effects of this presidency, there isn't actual job creation. Sure, oil and gas companies have halted lay offs. Same with coal operations. But as an American with a college degree who would love a new job, I've seen the exact opposite. Middle class jobs are sinking and fast. I work a job that requires nothing but a high school diploma, and get paid jack shit, and many of my coworkers have four year degrees like me, and earn similarly shit wages. And not one of us is complacent in this, we all spend our free time post-work job hunting, to no avail.

Yeah, sure, Lord Dump is soooooo good for the economy. The middle class is saved! Thank god he stopped the Mexicans from stealing our white collar work!

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Trump is creating jobs.

$10/hour. Not bad. But it's temp work.

(Pretty sure that ad itself is fake since it's too blatant. But these aren't the first allegations this has happened.)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

are mexicans on work visas only being allowed to do the seasonal work still at his resorts?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Well to reinforce your point you did claim twice that a lot of people agreed with you. What % out of 320 million did you poll to come up with that assessment?

And if you do not support leftwing violence, what was your problem with Trump's comments after the incident?

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He said there were many fine people there marching with the NeoNazis and KKK. When the large percentage of the group is NeoNazi, when the rally was organized by the former KKK leader. Even if you are not in the KKK yourself, but you are marching in solidarity with thesse ppl...you are basically in the kkk.

If you want to protest the taking down of confederate monuments and not be seen as a neoNazi or Klan member, how about do it separately from them?


We have a law in the US where if you committing a robbery and your accomplice pulls a gun and kills someone, you get charged with murdere not robbery, even if you had no idea your friend had a gun. Being there = Being them.

But trump says no, they are good people chumming it up with the Nazis.


Please provide an argument as to why there isn't a problem with trumps comments or why I'm wrong in what I just said

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Who are these lots of people you speak of? Is this what the MSM is saying? Or do you have a lot of Trump supporter friends? "A lot of people" like him more after how he handled Charlottesville. He finally called out the problem on both sides.

allow me to answer for Alasadair, Republican politicians that have called out trumps disgusting equivocation of Nazis with those protesting bigotry include the following. (show me a list of republicans politicians that have come out and said his statements were ok (that don't directly work for him in the whitehouse)

We do know that members of hate groups have praised his comments.


GOP ppl that have condemned his comments:

Marco Rubio
Mitch Mconnell
Paul Ryan
Mit Romney
Dean Heller
John Mccain
George W Bush
Bush Sr.
Charilie Dent
Illana ros Leinthen
Todd Young
Jerry Moran
Ed Royce
Leonard Lance
Ben Sasse
Jeff Flake
Orin Hatch
Corey Gardner
John Kasich
Linsey Grahm
Jeb Bush



If a huge amount of republican politicians are pointing out that trump was wrong....he must be wrong...and so wrong that his own party is willing to call him out which you have to do something pretty bad for that to happen.


Then there are all the CEOS that told him to go fuck himself and the business commission was in the WH was disbanded as a result. I assume some of those CEOS were republican.


Sorry Liquid until you provide a list of ppl supporting his statmentemts that are people of prominence you are losing this argument. Shockingly 50% or so of americans support trumps statements, but the amount of people that are racists probably exceeds 50% and even a good perentage of liberals are racists as well. Racism is sort of an inherent human train that is evolutionarily ingrained and goes back tens of thousands of years. It might be why it will never be eliminated and why there needs to be some common ground on the fact that people will be racists and we just need to learn to address it in a way other than throwing bottles and rocks and neoNazis during their rallies or trying to play ID politics as democrats promoting some sort of multiculturalistic utopia where everyone gets along. I don't know what such a solution would look like but its an interesting topic to explore.

 

[swilow]

^Good luck getting liquid to see any flaws in Trump my friend...

 

[zephyr]

Thats his opinion and he is entitled to it mate.

 

[swilow]

Of course he is, wasn't saying otherwise.

 

[Somerandomdude]

Serious question for Americans:

What's the likelihood of California (and other liberal states) breaking away from the Union?

It seems like the US is so badly divided that its future isnt assured tbh. You can blame trump for this, but he just capitalised on fertile ground. It's not like the country would be any less divided if Hillary won. She's virtually just as hated as trump.

 

[Erikmen]

Opinions can change, that's the debate here. I would have changed my opinion if people had shown me something that would prove I was wrong.

 

[Scrofula]

Serious question for Americans:

What's the likelihood of California (and other liberal states) breaking away from the Union?

Zero.

The arglebargle from the Klan-fans lately is bad, for sure. But things aren't nearly as divided as they seem, not like, you know, 1861, or the 1950's. Trump isn't as polarizing anymore either; everyone knows he's a colossal failure, the only arguing is rationalizing their vote for him.

 

[Erikmen]

^ exaclty.
Especially when his words don't mean so much, considering all the lies, contradictions. And most importantly, often changed by himself.

 

[Scrofula]

He's had eight months of on-the-job training (first job he's had), hasn't shown he's learned the ropes in any way.

It should be clear to even the optimists that there's not going to be any Wall or Greatness or Brown-people Deporting Vans, or whatever the hell else they voted for. They can't even grab any pussy.

 

[zephyr]

Of course he is, wasn't saying otherwise.

Yeah I know. Ive changed my mind a bit about him. At first I thought it was a sick joke he became President at all but actually it isnt. Its perfectly normal and fine. Totally within the law etc.

Also his lack of experience and rough way of public speaking wasnt a big secret.

So yeah maybe this is what the majority of Americans wanted and its pointless crapping on about his faults.

If he can get the economy rolling then thats what is needed. So yeah. Im not a blind supporter or hater of anyone anyway. Some people are and are just going to get behind their preferred polly whatever they do.

 

[LiquidMethod]

^Good luck getting liquid to see any flaws in Trump my friend...

That's a bit rude

He said there were many fine people there marching with the NeoNazis and KKK. When the large percentage of the group is NeoNazi, when the rally was organized by the former KKK leader. Even if you are not in the KKK yourself, but you are marching in solidarity with thesse ppl...you are basically in the kkk.

If you want to protest the taking down of confederate monuments and not be seen as a neoNazi or Klan member, how about do it separately from them?

OK this is a fair criticism. Even if what he said was true it could have gone without saying.
Saying that it was an endorsement of the KKK is a lie.

the rally was organized by the former KKK leader.

Who? I provided evidence that the organizer of the rally was an Occupy Wall St activist, Obama supporter and advocate of Muslim immigration. In less than a year he allegedly turned into a KKK leader. There is a lot more to this story that what is being reported so sometimes nuanced comments are needed. You don't want to alienate good people and unfortunately what we're seeing is people that feel oppressed gravitating to the fringe of their respective causes.

As for GOP people condemning Trump that does not hold much weight. We can all see by now that most of the GOP hate Trump with some even colluding with Democrats to foment a coup.

Scott Adams explaining Charlottesville and how Trump is not racist.

His latest article

If you are outside the mass hysteria bubble you might have noticed that President Trump never campaigned to be our moral leader. He presented himself as – in his own words “no angel” – with a set of skills he offered to use in the public’s interest. He was big on law and order, and equal justice under the law. But he never offered moral leadership. Voters elected him with that knowledge. Evidently, Republicans don’t depend on politicians for moral leadership. That’s probably a good call.

When the horror in Charlottesville shocked the country, citizens instinctively looked to their president for moral leadership. The president instead provided a generic law and order statement. Under pressure, he later named specific groups and disavowed the racists. He was clearly uncomfortable being our moral lighthouse. That’s probably why he never described his moral leadership as an asset when running for office. We observe that he has never been shy about any other skill he brings to the job, so it probably isn’t an accident when he avoids mentioning any ambitions for moral leadership. If he wanted us to know he would provide that service, I think he would have mentioned it by now.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Trump is absolutely a racist...just like he is a misogynist sexual assaulter.

There was video evidence of the latter and his supporters still denied that he is a sexual assaulter.

Like he said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and ppl would still support him. That's how much ppl are blinded because they love how racist trump is.

If I actually believed he was competent and knowledgable and a hard worker I would overlook the racism and support him...but he's none of those things


As for the rally being organized by the Nazis. That guy Richard Spencer has a YouTube video where he is trying to negotiate with the police and saying he had a permit..maybe he didn't organize the rally...but he was leading it and it was well advertised they him and other nazi leaders would be present.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Trump is absolutely a racist...

Then prove it definitively. If you are so certain then it should be easy to prove with multiple concrete examples.

just like he is a misogynist sexual assaulter.

I've said much worse than that to my friends and I've never assaulted anybody. You lose credibility by consistently bringing this up as nobody is buying it.

If I actually believed he was competent and knowledgable and a hard worker

He is, you are just stuck in the mass hysteria bubble evident by your little emotional rant.

As for the rally being organized by the Nazis. That guy Richard Spencer has a YouTube video where he is trying to negotiate with the police and saying he had a permit..maybe he didn't organize the rally...but he was leading it and it was well advertised they him and other nazi leaders would be present.

No, it was organized by someone who was supporting Obama a year ago and stated on his blog that the greatest job is a provocateur.
I guess the alarm bells are only going off outside the mass hysteria bubble.

 

[swilow]

If he can get the economy rolling then thats what is needed.

I don't really agree that that is all that is needed. To trot out a true favourite of the internet, Hitler got the economy rolling too and look how that benefited Germany. They were divided for nearly fifty years as a result.

In our system, a strong economy does not benefit that many people. The benefits are illusory and are basically the scraps from Lord Stark's table. Enough to make us imagine we are beneficiaries. Human rights, maintaining and strengthening them, are what will benefit the majority much more. Human rights will empower a population by allowing it to insist upon its rightful share of wealth. In capitalism, the lions share is accumulated by a few alphas. Us gazelles then thank them for not eating us. Great.

Anyway, is Trump really strengthening the economy? If so, with what policies?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

When the segregationists, national socialists, and the other left (antifa) assembled in Charlottesville to protest, united in their support of the Democratic party and hatred of the Jews, I thought it personally brave of the President to call attention to the fact that the Nazis and segregationists were exercising their constitutional right to assemble and speak before it became a domestic terrorist attack.

But why would he do this?!?!?
For the first time, I truly recoiled at the President's political sensibilities. Why this time to show that the left is violent? This was just disastrous.

It should be self evident that the President is not only a Yankee, but has Jews in his family. If I were him, I would not have condemned all sides as he did. This event truly made my stomach turn. I condemn the President's political sensibilities during this time. I am truly ashamed at him and I truly hope the President can find his way....or...a way, again.

 

[Scrofula]

If I actually believed he was competent and knowledgable and a hard worker I would overlook the racism and support him...but he's none of those things

Yeah, I see him as having a bit more vulgar racism than my grandpa had. My grandpa didn't hate anyone or wish for a white nation, but I think he believed some races had their "place". When it's Grandpa you let it go, scold him for any public "insensitivity." But the president needs to take care of that in 2017.

I don't know about any new videos. The number of women who came forward, with nothing to gain--overshadowed by Bill Cosby's truly epic herem--together with knowing the allegations in his former wife's sealed deposition, are pretty convincing.


And I don't know what rally you guys are on, but unless you're in that double-wide den planning one whlie your buddy starts a fight over Coors¹ v. Bud; neonazi, Klan, White Nationalists, Sons of Anarachy², Church of Odin³, they're all interchangeable and not worth the time splitting hairs.

Unless you feel the need to defend their various tats and patches?


¹I have personally witnessed this. It is extremely important that you get the right one cause the Mexicans drink the other.
²That pretty-boy tool has got to be like High Poofy Dragon or something.
³A real gang.