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Miami gets fucked over on more bullshit calls than anybody in the nation, both in college and in the pros. Miami clearly recovered that fumble.
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Its a wash to me because the refs missed Hines ward being held in the endzone on what would have been easy catch for a TD. Cost the steelers 4 points.

Bottom line is Miami didnt play well enough to beat a banged up team that turned the ball over twice inside their own 20. If Miami were true contenders they would have put the steelers away by over 10.
 
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Miami gets fucked over on more bullshit calls than anybody in the nation, both in college and in the pros. Miami clearly recovered that fumble.
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OK putting all emotion aside, forgetting it was the Dolphins and Steelers, pretending it was anybody against anybody, Anchorage against Pyongyang or whatever,

How is it not possible to determine which team recovered the fumble???

I played ball for years man. The team that recovers is the team that comes up with the ball. There's one exception: dual possession (in which case offense gets it). But that wasn't the case here.

btw it's been confirmed by several sources that no whistle blew; Sparano just said the refs told him no whistle blew.


Oh shit Oakland 59, Denver 14 in the 4th quarter.
 
I played ball for quite some years as well

in the NFL one needs inconclusive evidence to overturn the call. blame the refs first for blowing the whistle far too early on that touchdown QB sneak, I think they blew the whistle before Big Ben even brought the ball across the plane

did a Dolphin come up with it, immediately? I don't think so but I might have to review the play. but the player who comes up with the ball from the pile does not necessarily win possession. if you have played as you say, then you would know that the worst things in the world happen in a football pile. while initially a player could recover the ball soundly and officially, ending the play, that doesn't mean that another player could strip the downed ball and claim it as his. I'm sure it happens all the time

I really hate to see my Steelers lose like that. but the fact is they deserved to win. despite their Pro Bowl caliber defenders in Aaron Smith and Lawrence Timmons leaving injured (as well as Pro Bowl veteran Flozell Adams), the Steelers looked better

once again, the offensive play calling for Pitt was atrocious. I feel like they should have beaten Miami by a couple touchdowns, with Big Ben racking up well over 300 yards. instead, Miami stacked the box and our offensive coach Bruce Arians keeps on trying to run the ball

Chad Henne and Sporano don't play and coach to win games, they play and coach not to lose games
 
OK the refs were correct in that call in the PIT v. MIA game. Watch the replay. I hear a whistle at around 2:32. At that point there was a scrum and nobody had visible possession. It's moot to argue that a Dolphin came out of the scrum with the ball: the whistle blew before the scrum was settled.

Referencing the NFL rulebook:

Rule 15, Section 9, Note 2: If the Referee does not have indisputable visual evidence as to which player recovered the loose ball, the ruling on the field will stand.
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Actually, by that rule the Pittsburgh touchdown should've stood.
 
it's a tough call. I thought that the ball broke the plane, or at the very least the ref though the ball broke the plane and that's why he blew an early whistle. I do hate to win this way, and I have tons of respect to the Fins because they have been playing in a style similar to the Steelers this year and have great defensive play
 
Even if the play was unable to be overturned, it is still on the refs. What happened from the very beginning was a lack of concentration. From my understanding, if it is unclear the refs are supposed to err on the side of caution and rule a fumble until it is overturned. Probably had his eye off the ball or something. Did anybody mention that the ref is from Pittsburgh? ;)
 
The ball was definitely dislodged well before the line but the whistle was blown too soon (awarding the TD). I'm sure if they allowed more time to see the ensuing scramble to unfold then Miami may have got the ball back. As it stands the play was dead before they came up with the ball as you could argue that the Steelers stopped on the ref's call.

They may feel hard done by but they did allow Sanders to almost return the length of the field to be on their own line just moments earlier.
 
it's true, all blame should be placed on the refs. the Steelers were just lucky to have the the decision swing their way. as sports fans, we've all been shafted by the refs

the worst thing the refs did was blow the whistle, thereby calling the play dead. how can you award either team the ball when most of them heard a whistle and conformed to the whistle by not immediately going for the ball or hesitating a bit?
 
axl blaze said:
once again, the offensive play calling for Pitt was atrocious. I feel like they should have beaten Miami by a couple touchdowns, with Big Ben racking up well over 300 yards. instead, Miami stacked the box and our offensive coach Bruce Arians keeps on trying to run the ball
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The steelers run the ball WAY TOO MUCH on first down as well. They really need to mix it up more. Its amazing how drive they down the field at will despite getting stuff trying to run the ball on first down every single time.
And did Arians remove screens from our playbook? The steelers used to be tops in the NFL at screens.
 
axl blaze said:
it's true, all blame should be placed on the refs. the Steelers were just lucky to have the the decision swing their way. as sports fans, we've all been shafted by the refs

the worst thing the refs did was blow the whistle, thereby calling the play dead. how can you award either team the ball when most of them heard a whistle and conformed to the whistle by not immediately going for the ball or hesitating a bit?
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Not only that, Ben said he had possession of the ball under the pile and he let go because the ref tapped him and told him it was a TD. A lot of people don't believe him but he sounded convincing to me and i honestly dont think he would lie after they won the game anyway.
 
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Axl must have some serious connections in the referee world. His teams always seem to get the better of mine in those game deciding calls ;)
 
Wolfy90 said:
Its not as big as the Nip Tuck rule which forever fucked oakland over.
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I don't know about that. In context of the situation, Oakland definitely got fucked over more because it was the playoffs. This loss hurts Miami's chances a lot, but playoffs are still a possibility. The tuck rule was a tough one to call that we all know could have gone either way, and one team was going to get shafted no matter what. At least it led to a long-term change in which the rules in that situation are clearly defined.

The Dolphins call was absolute bullshit, on many levels. Fucking Pittsburgh officiating crew.
 
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