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Heroin 1st Time Heroin Near Death

If you really cared about his family you would do your best to make sure you gave him advice he would actually LISTEN to.
Instead of flaming him which basically ensures he wouldn't listen to any of our advice.
Good job.
 
Lol. Yeah, okay.
You've said good night how many times now? If you're going to go then go.
You've also mentioned his kid and his family in almost all your posts and use them as your excuse for insulting the OP and failing to provide any HR advice or really anything useful whatsoever.
So saying that you don't care and saying you just feel sorry for them like it's really that different is just mincingn words. If you care for the family or feel sorry for the family or whatever, you would try and help the OP since that also helps the family.

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to insult you to compensate for my lack of a good argument. Since I'm here to actually help the guy even though I don't agree with any of his reasons and think what he did was not a smart thing to do.
And I now have nothing else to say to you since it's essentially a waste of time. None of your posts are contributing to this thread in any way.
 
WTF does being American have to do with anything at all and the other BL is giving you some good advice along with giving the OP good advice, find something else to do other than critiquing everyone it's not productive in any fashion...and yes rhun your right to help the family does start with giving the op some good productive advice.....BUT to the OP everything you did that night is not anything that most haven't done theirselves thats why this is a drug forum BUT never ever ever bring your kids into that sort of situation again it's just disrespectfully careless man your boy don't need to see that...glad your still with us to ask advice and perspective.
 
hey rhun its 'mincing'. oh and i said goodnight twice, can you not count either? quit taking the thread off topic, youre not reducing harm!



and guitarist, be quiet you foolish child. we all know americans are a bit slow.. its something in the water, fluoride probably



i hereby remove myself from this thread, any further replies to myself from here on is OT and harmful to the poor OP. goodnight (thats three times now rhun)
 
who the fuck told you heroin makes you a better musician, heroin is the downfall of great musicians. kurt cobain went from creative moody prick to just plain whiney moody prick when gear got hold of him. stick to cannabis and your family. christmas is coming up you undeserving selfish fuck, give your kid some memories for fucks sake

man it is posts like this that really turn me off bluelight sometimes. That last thing I need when I'm already feeling really shitty after doing something stupid with drugs is strangers making me feel worse. Bluelight is for harm reduction AND support, no need to be a complete dick head. You could have got the same point across without being a complete asshole.

what is a polite wake up call in the none literal sense btw? wake up calls by nature must be harsh. he even expected to be flamed. think of his INNOCENT kid, less of his worthless bluelighter membership

And I'm sure he already feels fucking awful enough about what happened, making him feel like scum is honestly not going to help in any way and if anything could lead to him trying H again. Responses like this are seriously depressive when you already know you fucked up bad.
 
i hereby remove myself from this thread, any further replies to myself from here on is OT and harmful to the poor OP. goodnight (thats three times now rhun)

I totally agreed with your first post but the way you handled your other posts was childish and doesn't contribute to positive change. I'm sure the water "in the shadows" is not much better than American H20. Also, you really have no room to speak regarding off-topic discussion.

The OP needs to hear what people have said regardless of their desire to hear it. Getting high, let alone overdosing in front of their kids says a lot about the OPs priorities. That kind of psychological damage is often permanent and will have a profound effect on the decisions your kid makes when someone else offers them drugs. But there's a difference between telling someone that what they did makes them a horrible person, and actually offering support.

@OP, your behavior was absolutely unacceptable and you need to get your act together right away unless you want social services to find a "better" home for your child than the environment you're providing, one where they can be subjected to the many other flavors of abuse and neglect. Be a man and a father. Do the right thing. You're supposed to be your kids role model. You think that because your kids young that they won't remember? Think again. Your kid will remember that day for the rest of their life. If you need professional help, please do not hesitate to get it.

Bluelight is here to help you with this, to learn how to minimize harm. Sometimes this involves calling you out on Bullshit as we see it. I hope you don't find my post to be flaming, it's really not, I'm coming from a totally empathetic position and would love to help in whatever ways possible but I call em how I see 'em. Now is NOT the time for censorship or to take things lightly. Not just your life is at stake, but you're risking ruining the lives of your children, and your loved one are at risk. Absolutely unacceptable. You're lucky to be alive, you have absolutely no idea how many people have DIED taking LESS than what you did. Mixing CNS depressants and recklessly abusing drugs without prior research has drastic consequences, and you did not have to find out the hard way.

I sincerely hope that you let this stand as a lesson to you, you've been given a second chance at life. Your kid deserves so much better than this. What about your wife/girlfriend/baby momma? Say you died like most people would have, think she'd be okay being a single mom in this economy?
 
man it is posts like this that really turn me off bluelight sometimes. That last thing I need when I'm already feeling really shitty after doing something stupid with drugs is strangers making me feel worse. Bluelight is for harm reduction AND support, no need to be a complete dick head. You could have got the same point across without being a complete asshole.

And I'm sure he already feels fucking awful enough about what happened, making him feel like scum is honestly not going to help in any way and if anything could lead to him trying H again. Responses like this are seriously depressive when you already know you fucked up bad.

I agree, basically sums up my own opinion.
 
Hindsight being 20/20 this was without question the stupidest fucking thing I have ever done in my life! Nothing anyone can say here can make me feel worse than I do about what happened and how many peoples lives I came so close to ruining! I picture my kids at the funeral and my parent's faces when told about what happened.so someone calling me an idiot or any other name doesn't even scratch the surface of how deep my regret and utter disgust in myself is so don't feel the need to defend me from any warranted attacks or character assaults. I am a loving husband and father and this would have destroyed a happy household!! I break down or get overwhelmed by emotion several times a day right now and feel like every second spent with my family is all bonus time right now because I should be in the ground.
Explaining why I decided to try heroin maybe should not have been in the story because maybe the one poster was right, I was doing percs and deep down maybe did want to take it to another level. Whatever the intrigue was it was strong enough and simple enough to get delivered to my door without even leaving my house. I am a hardworking guy 60 hours a week with a great family and so much to lose by a stupid fuckin experiment like that!! Don't feel sorry for me but do definitely feel sorry for my family!! I know I will never try heroin again and I hope maybe someone can learn a hard lesson from my stupidity and not have to live it (or die) to learn it! Right now my goal is damage control and giving my family all the love and understanding I would have wished I could have given them if I had died.
I know this is not only emotional for myself but for many of you reading this such as the poster who found his dad dead but I seek no sympathy and if venting makes someone feel better then vent away but please don't fight amongst each other this should now be a teaching tool or story. Drugs are easier to get now than ever and are getting into the hands of inexperienced users like myself with absolutely no clue what they are getting into! So I'm hoping my story brings awareness to at least 1 person how deadly this drug is!! If my story reaches 1 person and it prevents them from ever trying this drug it will all be worth posting this horror I survived! Also I won't be baited into responding to any negativity but you are more than welcome to spew forth your disgust which I am sure everyone feels reading this!
Please educate as many dumbfucks like myself about the dangers of this drug! Don't get me wrong I still advocate freedom of choice and drugs are part of that I will continue to be a recreational drug user but never again heroin.
 
Just know that
A) this really isn't heroin's fault, I see you demonizing heroin, and I understand where your emotions are coming from, and I realize that you are already assuming responsibility for your actions, but you're not a victim of heroin. You decided to mix CNS depressants, a combination that is INFAMOUS for it's lethality. Whether you knew that or not, it's not the drugs fault. Whenever something bad happens and drugs are involved, people are quick to unfairly blame the drugs for what happened.

B) you don't have to OD or die to ruin and lose everything, you can accomplish that just by being a recreational drug user.

It's great that your saying you aren't going to do heroin again, but it's really not heroins fault that this happened, so avoiding heroin is great but isn't going to be enough to prevent further damage. I just want to make sure that you're not under the impression that doing Percocet and alcohol won't have consequences.

Being an addict has profound effects on those who care about you, and you can still hurt a lot of people without overdosing. Like I said in my other post, it all comes down to priorities, and your family WILL question your priorities inevitably so just stay aware of your actions and the consequences choices you make have. Most importantly, use this as an opportunity to further educate yourself on stuff that you put in your body.

Bluelight is a great resource for harm reduction, but I think it's vital that you learn more about risks involved with mixing CNS depressants, especially since you're going back to Percocet and alcohol. Not only does this carry the same risk as heroin for fatal CNS depression, but it's also extremely toxic for your liver to be combining alcohol with the acetaminophen (Tylenol) that's in Percocet.
 
You sound like a good dude. We all make mistakes, happens to the best of us. Just just always, always have to remember that when playing with drugs, you need to be fully attentive to what you're doing and aware of all the possible ways it can go wrong. You need to know your doses, your tolerance, and especially the effect your use will have loved ones around you, especially in your situation.

Don't beat yourself up now after the fact. Focus on the fact that you lived, got through it, and have a chance to rectify the situation with those you care most about. Look at it from the perspective of being given a second chance and as an experience that most likely opened your eyes to the preciousness of life and the gift that is your family. Cherish them, love them, and make it up to them by being the best husband and father you can be.

Percs are on an entirely different level from heroin, so if you really need to continue using something once and while, don't feel too guilty about popping a few percs here or there. Always be cautious and always remember that even percs can cause a terrible addiction if you're not careful, but you'll be infinitely safer fucking around with a pharmaceutical in your situation.

Keep your chin up, focus on the positive, and move forward with your life. Remember, Bluelight is here to help. The next time you're contemplating drug usage without full understanding of the substance, come here first. It may very well be the difference between life and death.

Edit: I do have to agree with Tricomb. Heroin is an exceptionally dangerous drug, but it is used relatively safely by tons of people. The main issue was you combining it with alcohol which was foolish, and lack of understanding of proper dosing technique. In short, recklessness. Not to beat a dead horse but take responsibility for your actions without placing it solely on the nose of the heroin. That's why we have politicians pushing propaganda spurring on the war on drugs, because it's scare mongering over science. Don't fall into that trap, either.
 
^Great posting.

@OP, now that we've gone over the most severe of issues presented, we can work on support and as Saosin pointed out, moving forward. It is a highly emotional topic for many, and I'm sure we'd all love to help make sure something like this never happens again.
 
I wish I had of come to bluelight for my research and I could have asked all the questions I needed answered. Usually people that try heroin the 1st would be with an experienced user but where I live that was impossible. I know it is not the drug's fault it was totally all my fault. With the internet you can have heroin or any other drug in your mailbox within 5 days from Overseas and that is both a blessing and a curse. I'm hoping that someone smarter than me will do their proper research and come across this thread so they will tread very lightly with 1st time consumption.
In summarizing my experience these are the rules that I have learned the hard way: 1. Never combine booze and opiates (yet they say the same about percs andmy friends and I do it all the time) 2. Don't be in a rush to get your rush 3. Never do heroin by yourself 4. Don't do it in the family home 5 Research any new drug and then research some more 6. Hug your kid and wife more! Tell the people you love that you love them, tomorrow you might not be able to.
 
It's great that your saying you aren't going to do heroin again, but it's really not heroins fault that this happened, so avoiding heroin is great but isn't going to be enough to prevent further damage. I just want to make sure that you're not under the impression that doing Percocet and alcohol won't have consequences.

Being an addict has profound effects on those who care about you, and you can still hurt a lot of people without overdosing. Like I said in my other post, it all comes down to priorities, and your family WILL question your priorities inevitably so just stay aware of your actions and the consequences choices you make have. Most importantly, use this as an opportunity to further educate yourself on stuff that you put in your body.

Bluelight is a great resource for harm reduction, but I think it's vital that you learn more about risks involved with mixing CNS depressants, especially since you're going back to Percocet and alcohol. Not only does this carry the same risk as heroin for fatal CNS depression, but it's also extremely toxic for your liver to be combining alcohol with the acetaminophen (Tylenol) that's in Percocet.

I couldn't agree more. It's important to not demonize heroin, but rather to take responsibility for your actions and learn from them. So, to re-iterate what tricomb just said - never touching heroin again will not prevent this from happening again, it will only make it somewhat less likely. Drugs are not some mysterious forces of good or evil. A lot of drug users and non-users, alike, choose to either glorify (often at early stages of a drug's use) or to demonize them (such as after surviving a near-death experience or addiction). I don't think that's a practical attitude, whatsoever, for drug users or non-users.

1stTime LastTime, if anything, I would also examine your percocet use more closely. I don't know what condition you have, but maybe there are other alternative medications for it? Maybe medical marijuana is an option? It seems like you're quite fond of your opiates and thinking that percs can't harm you because they were prescribed by a doctor may be a dangerous line of thinking.
 
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