13th Issue Heroin Discussion v. fuck hope do dope

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I wouldn't smoke it if all you have is two bags. Chinky said himself that it barely works. In fact most people here think smoking powder is a waste. I mean it's your shit but, there's a reason why nobody does it.
 
Thanks chinky for the info. I didn't know that it was going to cause such an argument. I'm just not that experienced yet coppin from the street and yes the shit that I have been getting sticks alot to the bill. Yes I use a bill but I always use a new one. Gonna try again today.
 
chinky said:
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do you think its a cartel that bags the dope up or is it one guy whos the boss or is it different gangs/sets/whoever depending on whre you live?

cause i know you guys can have the same stamp for months and it all be the same dope...i guess one person could theoretically supply one stamp or multiples if they cop say a kilo or kilos and bag it all..but its got to be the mafia, or a cartel..someone/thing real big callin the shots right? and not like 1 person at the top doing it all
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They usually just call them "drug rings" around here. I actually read about a bust here recently where the detectives said the person was copping 50 grams at a time and then cutting and bagging it themselves, which the detectives said was very unusual since its mostly all bought bagged up already. Now 50 grams is still street level dealer status, but it just goes to show that so much more is usually bagged up already and ready for distribution if someone spending that kinda money would normally be picking up stamp bags at that rate.

I think there are some organized gangs or whatever that buy enough to both sell bagged up stuff and raw dope for other people to bag themselves. I have no idea what their affiliations are though. Actually the person one of my dealers gets his weight from is a white guy in the suburbs, and this is the dealer that bags his own stuff and also would have 20-40 grams on deck whenever my friend needed them.
 
Its the distribution center that cuts/bags the dope into bricks wrapped up porno mags with 50 slips in a brick. Than people go to this place buy in bulk and than sell to people who than sell in the streets....At this is pretty much how it goes in New Jersey
 
I think that NY/NJ is the only area where you will find that much dope already bagged up. I just searched for heroin busts in the area and found this story about a heroin mill in the Bronx where 20,000 bags of dope were found.
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That's why the dope in NY is so consistent. No drug rings are going to mill up that much dope into bags unless they know it's good product since you really can't hide behind a shitty product if it's stamped already since people will avoid the stamp if it's bad, and they will be stuck trying to move that much dope if the product has a bad reputation. Those bags look like they are nicely sized too, and it says they were distributed in NY and NJ.

To further answer Chinkys question about who runs it (cartels, gangs, sets etc), since it's mostly Dominicans they have ties to South America so it isn't as hard to get weight sent to them through the ports here since I'm sure they get good deals on kilos and could probably get a certain amount on credit at first so they can build the business up. The article said they were moving 3 kilos a week, so I'm sure they had family in South America that was working with them, allowing them to cut out some of the middlemen to keep the price per kilo lower than in other states.
 
That pic is every dopeheads dream.

If i had all that id be somewhat rich and probably dead.
 
omg, I got goose bumps just looking at that pic of all those bags
 
I bet with just the people in this thread we'd be through all that in a week. It wouldn't be pretty
 
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id prolly end up shootingup too since ny wouldnt be able to handle that much..,and wit hthat happening, id be dead in about 45min

and if you look at the pics in the article tommy posted, they are showing 15 differnt stamps..so although they are bagged the same and just have differnt stamps, thats till alot of different stamps being put out by 1 group..i would have thought they would of had just one or 2 different sdtamps so they can keep the word solid of their productr and not have it distributed all over..but then again having all them differnt stamp names, if one gets a bad rep for some reason you got all those other ones out there thats the same product..its actually smart

i bet they can bagg them up in what a weekend and move on to the next place to do the bagging so shit doesnt get too hot..20000 bags isnt that much though thats a little less then 1500 jabs or what 2000buns..thats not that much prolly a months maybe 2 worth right? it breaks down to 500buns a week..i bet if your a dec ent dealer they can move that..
 
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^ What one of my dealers who bags his own stuff does is he has certain stamps designated for his different sources, so maybe that's what was going on with this crew. What he gets from one source will always be stamped the same thing (unless the product is really different), and what he gets from another source will have a different stamp. This way the quality of each stamp is usually always the same. It's a pretty good system, and it keeps the credibility of each stamp name while he uses different sources for his weight since I'm sure he's gotta shop around so that if one source is dry he can cop from another so he doesn't go dry if one source is waiting to re-up.

Also I think some crews switch up stamps in an attempt to keep the heat off of them a bit. If they keep the same stamp forever detectives will have to know that there is a crew that has a ton of dope they are slinging on the reg, so they might try to work their way up the ladder if they bust someone that has that stamp.

Also you have to remember that there isn't really any open air markets in NY, so it's mostly the dealer that has the good or bad reputation, and the different stamps they have are only really used so that customers know which batch it is. Considering how much dope that crew was moving having 15 different stamps was probably just so they could brand each particular batch, and I'm sure that they had to have had different batches if they were moving 3 kilos a week for a while. It makes sense to do it this way and actually works better than using 1 stamp for everything in case there is a weaker batch which would hurt the credibility of their only stamp which would cause some people to avoid that one stamp if they got one of the weaker batches of it.

I'm sure it makes more sense why that would have 15 different stamps now that I explained it. I'm sure they have some testers for each batch before bagging up that much dope, but it would be pointless to stamp it all the same if it really isn't the same. The source I know that bags his stuff has had maybe 6 different stamps in the last year, but each one was always the same stuff if the stamp name was the same, but each different stamp was different product, but the product in each different stamp was consistent.
 
I'm still trying to figure out whether or not my new guy bags up his own stuff. I don't think that he does, but that's what he says, and the bags never have a stamp on them and they're always colored bags like yellow, white, red or whatever, and they're always folded really funny... like sometimes they're folded four times and other times they're folded really skinny because they've been folded an extra time; also, sometimes they're taped and sometimes they're not but the amount of powder in each bag is always consistent and the quality is always consistent.

I don't know what to think... but we've got enough dealers now that I feel like we can always get good dope from one source or another. It's a good feeling to have enough dealers where if one guy has garbage, you can go see another guy, and if that dealer has garbage too, you can go see another guy... and if that guy has garbage... well then it's just not your day. lol

It's also nice because now we can switch it up. We were getting the blanks for a while, the yellow bags from our guy who says that he bags it up himself, and then we switched it up and went to another guy for a while, and today we went back to the blanks. Forgot how awesome the blanks were, and a little time off from them sort of made me appreciate them a little more lol
 
what are the glassine paper orginally used for? like they fold them up to make bags, but whats is their orginal purpose?

and verso do you got a favorite dealer you prefer over everone else for whatever reason it might be?..like with my guy i used him almost excliusivly for a few years cause i trusted him and it was fire and he met me in a safe area outside the hood and just recently with in the last few months ive got other connects cause my main guys has been so inconsistant and shitty..now even though my other guy has decent average dope that i ant complain about, i still go to my main guy once a week atleast just to see what hes workin with..do you got someone like that?
 
^ Postage Stamp collectors actually use the glassines to preserve the stamps they collect. That was the original purpose I believe.

Verso, I think if your guy bagged his own stuff the bags would be the same each time. Like anything a person does, they will likely do it the same way, their particular style, each and every time. I know that if I was bagging dope I would always do it the same. The process is so tedious that you have to get in a rhythm of doing it, so I can't see a person bagging a bunch of bags folded one way, and then a week later bagging a bunch of them another way. Maybe he buys weight and has a few different people bag it up for him, and those people each have their own way.
 
i totally would start bringing stamps to chicago if i started dealing..although i like the cap method, the stamps would be something new and get a name for themselves
 
I didnt realize you guys used caps. Alot of its sold in like lil zip bags usually used for buds right?
 
I cant fuckin sleep and i got school in like 5 hours. Thinking about gettin some money tomorrow and pickin up a lil somrthin somrthin.

Lol at that chink ban. Fuckin asshole.

Thats that chink humor !!
 
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and verso do you got a favorite dealer you prefer over everone else for whatever reason it might be?..like with my guy i used him almost excliusivly for a few years cause i trusted him and it was fire and he met me in a safe area outside the hood and just recently with in the last few months ive got other connects cause my main guys has been so inconsistant and shitty..now even though my other guy has decent average dope that i ant complain about, i still go to my main guy once a week atleast just to see what hes workin with..do you got someone like that?
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We had a favorite guy for a while, but he's been different lately. Not long ago, he would hang out with us, give us fronts (and we'd always pay him back), he would always throw us a few extra bags, and he was so easy to see as we would just go to his house. He was always around, never out of product. He was the best dealer ever but his product wasn't always 100% and that was my only complaint. Although, it's hard to complain when you're getting a few extra bags anyway, so even if the quality is so-so, you still get your rocks off.

But now, now he's just so much more uptight. He doesn't throw extras anymore, and, although we haven't asked him, I'm sure that he wouldn't give us a front. I'm pretty sure that I know the reason for it, but still... it just kind of sucks.

So now, now we see the guy with the blanks and he's pretty much our preferred guy. The dope is so good and the bags are so consistent; in the time that we've been seeing him, three months or so, he's only had a different product on one or two occasions, which was still high-quality, but not the usual batch. He'll also throw you extras, but not as often. For example, last time we payed for fifteen bags, and he ended up giving us 21 or something like that. Hasn't done anything like that since lol

I think my only complaint about that guy is that he isn't as quick. He actually runs on dealer time, where 15 minutes is a half hour, and that sucks when we're so used to picking up our shit without having to wait -- in and out.
 
chicago dope comes in: foils, caps, small ziplocks, sealed straws, foils in ziplocks, dope in rolling paper inside tinfoil, foils taped up, or the corner of the bag some spots will add something to make it stand out, ex: skittles bags, rice spot. I have gotten stamped wax before in chicago and this was probably around 1997'ish, they were stamped, 'unbelievables' and/or they had a galloping horse on them. the spot they originated from was nicknamed 'pony packs'.
 
I get my powdered tar in caps. It's usually (depending on the quality) either loose caps with a couple for a dime, or a little more than a couple for dime (not trying to break the price rules).

In NC I either got raw in a baggie corner or ECP in tin foil. Never had stamps
 
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