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but there's an issue with this, that the "left" (in quotations marks because IMO there's no real left in western countries anymore) doesn't want to acknowledge and it's sadly quite important:
in western countries we evolved socially to end up considering religion as private, and that happen not only by political and social "fight" but also by normal theological discussions and philosophical evolution. So, for example, when Immanuel Kant talked about private religion and natural religion (that inner tendency and inner a priori understanding of any religious manifestations ((the "numinous")) it wasn't just an invention of him, but a lot of centuries went through before something like that could be explained and theorically categorized.

In other places/cultures like islamic/arab countries or even animists or non-theists religions like buddhism, that type of discussions are just different or they haven't reach the same point of "evolution" (evolution is a bad/problematic word in ethnology/history, but well...

So then, if they understand our point of view is because "we" (westerners) conquered and colonized most of the world and then we created the conditions for science and democratic discussions to appear in those places, not that they didn't have their own opinions or their own history and evolution, of course they had it...
but the point here is that we shouldn't expect those other cultures to assume that our POV and type of society and tolerance thresholds/standards will coincide with theirs, that just won't happen as fast as we would like, so those issues won't resolve easily, it could happen overtime or, in the worst case, it may bring civilizational conflicts.
That is very true. I was writing about the Western world and society in my wish for religion to be private in schools, government buildings, courts, workplaces, etc. but not in the home, in places of worship like mosques or temples etc. or other private places.

These people the eunuchs/transvestites are in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. India's government has them classified as a third gender a mix between male and female. They have been in South Asia before European colonialism. I do wonder if Hijras and the castration started when Darius the great, or Alexander the Great invaded South Asia?
@yubacity is from India I asked a South Asian friend about Hijra or the eunuchs as her southern state has a festival for them she told me "Hijra are not transsexual or transgender even if they want to now say they are, they are transvestites. Some Hindu temples and cities and villages in my state have festivals for them."

 
Despite the hormones, steroids, and radical elective cosmetic surgeries trans "men" or FTM don't 'pass' as actually male or men at all, and despite the silly mantra of "Transmen are men and were born male in the wrong body! Destroy women and feminism!" trans "men"/FTM are not men or male genetically, biologically, or physically at all.

It is based on sexual attraction if you get aroused, have sex fantasies, and/or like to watch and masturbate to porn with FTM then yeah you are bisexual, not gay or homosexual.

It is not magic, it is human sexuality 101.
It’s a hard transition to go from being a female with life on easy mode to a manlet. It’s why you never hear about them in pop culture imo
 
It is based on sexual attraction if you get aroused,

so you're saying the gayest man on earth would never ever become aroused if a really attractive trans guy had him tied down doing stuff to his penis? He's just so gay his penis would sense the chromosomes and stay soft forever?

we are born with our orientation. I've had opportunities to have sex with women but never did. But theoretically, if someone said Mal, have sex with this woman and I'll give you $1,000. I'd find a way to make it happen , believe me.

There are a ton of straight guys who do gay onlyfans stuff because they make so much more money. You'd say they are bisexual then? Even in a MMF threesome where the gay sex is facilitated only from the presence of the female?
 
It’s a hard transition to go from being a female with life on easy mode to a manlet. It’s why you never hear about them in pop culture imo
Chastity now Chaz Bono was getting media attention, but she/he/zee has health issues as a woman flooding her/hir/zher body with Testosterone, anabolic steroids, HGH, having a full non-medical masectomy, hystorectomy, etc. He/she/zee/they did not go to Gregg Allman's funeral with Cher.
 
Chastity now Chaz Bono was getting media attention, but she/he/zee has health issues as a woman flooding her/hir/zher body with Testosterone, anabolic steroids, HGH, having a full non-medical masectomy, hystorectomy, etc. He/she/zee/they did not go to Gregg Allman's funeral with Cher.
Why? Gregg was a legend
 
so you're saying the gayest man on earth would never ever become aroused if a really attractive trans guy had him tied down doing stuff to his penis? He's just so gay his penis would sense the chromosomes and stay soft forever?

we are born with our orientation. I've had opportunities to have sex with women but never did. But theoretically, if someone said Mal, have sex with this woman and I'll give you $1,000. I'd find a way to make it happen , believe me.

There are a ton of straight guys who do gay onlyfans stuff because they make so much more money. You'd say they are bisexual then? Even in a MMF threesome where the gay sex is facilitated only from the presence of the female?
Yes those men in the MMF porn are bisexual. Duh! It is not uncommon.
 
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so you're saying the gayest man on earth would never ever become aroused if a really attractive trans guy had him tied down doing stuff to his penis? He's just so gay his penis would sense the chromosomes and stay soft forever?

we are born with our orientation. I've had opportunities to have sex with women but never did. But theoretically, if someone said Mal, have sex with this woman and I'll give you $1,000. I'd find a way to make it happen , believe me.

There are a ton of straight guys who do gay onlyfans stuff because they make so much more money. You'd say they are bisexual then? Even in a MMF threesome where the gay sex is facilitated only from the presence of the female?
The scenario you describe with the gay man, and trans "man" and luring, lying, bondage, manual, oral, and vaginal sex by coercion, manipulation, and force or no consent or saying no when the gay man discovers he is having sex with a woman and not a man /male sex partner is rape and sexual assault.

In real life, not the world of Marxist made up gender theory, most bisexual, and gay men would know or suspect the other "man" has a vagina, and is female ,A woman, and not an actual man or not male via our 5 senses, pheromones, intuition, etc. Aerosmith wrote a song about this!



Well you wrote how you like trans'men' in porn and the ones you have seen in person, have the 'Surprise!' bondage sex kink fantasy about FTM who are women biologically/physically so why not have sex with a non-FTM woman/female? No cheating with drugs like Viagra or arousal drugs, do it sober, and not for $€£, drugs, or for any financial or personal gain. Try vaginal sex and giving oral sex-licking the clit, labia, and vagina-to a trans "man". If you have any sexual attraction to the woman or trans"man" or their vaginas then you are bisexual, if you have none at all like zero or it is almost like you are asexual but just towards women, trans'men', the female sex, the female body, her vagina, etc. and need to fantasize about men the entire time to get hard, stay hard, and finish or pretend to cum then you are homosexual/gay.

Those men in bisexual porn the MMF 3 ways can pretend that they are heterosexual/straight, or even "gay" all they want but that does not make it true. They are bisexual and the scenario you describe is super common both in porn and in people's non-porn sex lives. If a man is really actually heterosexual/straight he is not going to do bisexual MMF porn or any type of porn where he has sex with men. Porn performers and companies know that there are queens who need the pipe dream fantasy based on homophobia/biphobia/bisexual erasure so that and being in denial/in closet is why these guys like to pretend they are heterosexual/straight but have sex with men in porn, for free off camera, and for money as a prostitute with male clients.

People in porn making lots of money? Just as in Communism/Marxism/Socialism the people at the very top of porn companies and now websites, web hosting, advertisers, etc. are the wealthy and powerful, despite the equality they claim the people in porn, especially today in 2023 make very little money at all. They make most of their money not from porn but from being prostitutes on the side for clients and it has been this way for many decades even back in the days of real film being used in porn.

The days of the performers making lots of money from porn ended with the legalization of porn, adult bookstores back when they were still written and published no I never wrote any but I am friends with bisexual men who did, inexpensive porn magazines, Betamax/VHS, easily affordable home super 8 and later camcorders, AIDS, and then the internet, mobile phones with good digital cameras and internet access, etc.

The only fans performers can claim they make lots of $€£ from porn but the reality is much different. Why do you think they constantly spam their amateur porn sites, start doing various niche or very specific sex kink or fetish porn, start doing phone sex or make audio and video recordings of themselves naked and masturbating, sell used and worn clothing, constantly ask for 'donations' or 'tributes', link to amazon lists to buy them clothing or things, start or keep being prostitutes with clients in person, do private webcam shows, strip at clubs and sex bars, spam their videos or escort sites on apps, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, travel but never for actual work, holiday or a vacation-they are seeing men who pay them for sex, are on fan sites and cam sites daily etc.?

Oh yeah, their pay for videos on fan sites? The full videos all wind up on the free porn websites, and other places and the majority of people watching them do not pay anything to see them.
 
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The scenario you describe with the gay man, and trans "man" and luring, lying, bondage, manual, oral, and vaginal sex by coercion, manipulation, and force or no consent or saying no when the gay man discovers he is having sex with a woman and not a man /male sex partner is rape and sexual assault.

In real life, not the world of Marxist made up gender theory, most bisexual, and gay men would know or suspect the other "man" has a vagina, and is female ,A woman, and not an actual man or not male via our 5 senses, pheromones, intuition, etc. Aerosmith wrote a song about this!



Well you wrote how you like trans'men' in porn and the ones you have seen in person, have the 'Surprise!' bondage sex kink fantasy about FTM who are women biologically/physically so why not have sex with a non-FTM woman/female? No cheating with drugs like Viagra or arousal drugs, do it sober, and not for $€£, drugs, or for any financial or personal gain. Try vaginal sex and giving oral sex-licking the clit, labia, and vagina-to a trans "man". If you have any sexual attraction to the woman or trans"man" or their vaginas then you are bisexual, if you have none at all like zero or it is almost like you are asexual but just towards women, trans'men', the female sex, the female body, her vagina, etc. and need to fantasize about men the entire time to get hard, stay hard, and finish or pretend to cum then you are homosexual/gay.

Those men in bisexual porn the MMF 3 ways can pretend that they are heterosexual/straight, or even "gay" all they want but that does not make it true. They are bisexual and the scenario you describe is super common both in porn and in people's non-porn sex lives. If a man is really actually heterosexual/straight he is not going to do bisexual MMF porn or any type of porn where he has sex with men. Porn performers and companies know that there are queens who need the pipe dream fantasy based on homophobia/biphobia/bisexual erasure so that and being in denial/in closet is why these guys like to pretend they are heterosexual/straight but have sex with men in porn, for free off camera, and for money as a prostitute with male clients.

People in porn making lots of money? Just as in Communism/Marxism/Socialism the people at the very top of porn companies and now websites, web hosting, advertisers, etc. are the wealthy and powerful, despite the equality they claim the people in porn, especially today in 2023 make very little money at all. They make most of their money not from porn but from being prostitutes on the side for clients and it has been this way for many decades even back in the days of real film being used in porn.

The days of the performers making lots of money from porn ended with the legalization of porn, adult bookstores back when they were still written and published no I never wrote any but I am friends with bisexual men who did, inexpensive porn magazines, Betamax/VHS, easily affordable home super 8 and later camcorders, AIDS, and then the internet, mobile phones with good digital cameras and internet access, etc.

The only fans performers can claim they make lots of $€£ from porn but the reality is much different. Why do you think they constantly spam their amateur porn sites, start doing various niche or very specific sex kink or fetish porn, start doing phone sex or make audio and video recordings of themselves naked and masturbating, sell used and worn clothing, constantly ask for 'donations' or 'tributes', link to amazon lists to buy them clothing or things, start or keep being prostitutes with clients in person, do private webcam shows, strip at clubs and sex bars, spam their videos or escort sites on apps, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, travel but never for actual work, holiday or a vacation-they are seeing men who pay them for sex, are on fan sites and cam sites daily etc.?

Oh yeah, their pay for videos on fan sites? The full videos all wind up on the free porn websites, and other places and the majority of people watching them do not pay anything to see them.


thanks for the unhinged rant. you didn't even answer my question.
 
thanks for the unhinged rant. you didn't even answer my question.
Yes I did. It is not my fault you do not understand bisexuality and need the pipe dream fantasy that men in bisexual porn having sex with each other and a woman are not bisexual but are heterosexual/straight. LMAO they are "straight" to bed to have sex with men, and all types of couples and it is not for $€£ or to boost their porn site stats rating.

I already answered your question about the hypothetical scenario that would never happen like that in real life, and it is not based on chromosomes. Most men and women can very easily tell if someone is trans and attempted sexual assault or rape by the trans person is completely unnecessary.
 
Many indigenous american tribes for example have been known to have assigned gender roles to people who don't quite fit to what their genitals would imply.

You writing "what their genitals would imply" agrees with what I'm saying. It's not 100% because, as much as some would dispute this, trans people exist and probably always have, but for the overwhelming majority of people, their gender identity matches their biological sex as manifested by both primary and secondary sexual characteristics. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging this.

My point is that we're not going to be changing this just because a modern political ideology thinks we should. It's deeper and older than any of that. This doesn't mean that we cannot accept trans people into societies. We should do that as much as we can.
 
That is very true. I was writing about the Western world and society in my wish for religion to be private in schools, government buildings, courts, workplaces, etc. but not in the home, in places of worship like mosques or temples etc. or other private places.

These people the eunuchs/transvestites are in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. India's government has them classified as a third gender a mix between male and female. They have been in South Asia before European colonialism. I do wonder if Hijras and the castration started when Darius the great, or Alexander the Great invaded South Asia?
@yubacity is from India I asked a South Asian friend about Hijra or the eunuchs as her southern state has a festival for them she told me "Hijra are not transsexual or transgender even if they want to now say they are, they are transvestites. Some Hindu temples and cities and villages in my state have festivals for them."

In Punjab and most of india they come down after a child is born or happy occasions for the family they dance and you pay them its considered bad luck to turn them away and they bring good luck .
The Punjabi word if translated is tranvestites
 
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I've had opportunities to have sex with women but never did. But theoretically, if someone said Mal, have sex with this woman and I'll give you $1,000. I'd find a way to make it happen , believe me.
You would really prostitute yourself for 1000$? O boy, is it that bad? I really hope you’ll find a better way to collect that cash :)
 
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