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Dropperneck said:
My hormonal balance got thrown out of whack a while back. It is really tough and has many health consequences. I can’t imagine taking these heavy pharmaceuticals, with zero studies on their long term affects. Affirming peoples mental health issues with experimental drugs and irreversible procedures seems a bit much, even for current year.
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How did that happen?
 
JGrimez said:
Now I'm seeing parents take their children to all-ages drag shows where very little kids are twerking their asses in front of excited adults, or taking their children to drag camps where they learn how to perform in hypersexualized, genderbending performances.
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jw, are you also upset about children in beauty pageants? cause i find those tacky, to say the least, but i don't see how drag camp is any more outragrous than beauty pageants... what about it is different, if you feel they are different?
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Meanwhile the United Nations published a group of "new legal principles" that would advance "decriminalization efforts" globally, and principal 16 stated "sexual conduct involving persons below the domestically prescribed minimum age of consent to sex may be consensual."
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this shit in no way means they want to abolish the age of consent or legalize statutory rape
 
nepalnt21 said:
jw, are you also upset about children in beauty pageants? cause i find those tacky, to say the least, but i don't see how drag camp is any more outragrous than beauty pageants... what about it is different, if you feel they are different?

this shit in no way means they want to abolish the age of consent or legalize statutory rape
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Now that the cultural revolution has really put a spot light on things I’d wager to bet that most people aren’t good with child beauty pageants. Grooming children is wrong, no matter who or what is doing it. I know this is right think to you, but really step back and think about what drag culture being pushed on children actually means. Who’s pushing this and why. Is it innocent ‘progress’ or is there something more? Has something similar to this happened before? Where and why? I’m saying this stuff rhetorically for opened minded people reading this
 
Dropperneck said:
Who’s pushing this and why. Is it innocent ‘progress’ or is there something more? Has something similar to this happened before? Where and why?
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i'll try and ignore the part where you infer the lie (for the upteenth time) that i engage in the same tribalism you do

you lost me at the conspiracy theory rhetoric... when in history are you referring to, with the "something similar" part? please be specific.
 
Dropperneck said:
I know this is right think to you, but really step back and think about what drag culture being pushed on children actually means. Who’s pushing this and why. Is it innocent ‘progress’ or is there something more? Has something similar to this happened before? Where and why? I’m saying this stuff rhetorically for opened minded people reading this
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I think the trans movement has gone way too far and has become illiberal and harmful, but I truly do not think there is an underlying agenda beyond a misguided attempt at 'progress' above all else. The ability to use a particular opressed status to accrue power is enough of an explanation. There doesn't need to be any mysterious puppet master here beyond good old corruptible human nature.
 
swilow said:
I think the trans movement has gone way too far and has become illiberal and harmful, but I truly do not think there is an underlying agenda beyond a misguided attempt at 'progress' above all else. The ability to use a particular opressed status to accrue power is enough of an explanation. There doesn't need to be any mysterious puppet master here beyond good old corruptible human nature.
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I too was once altruistic.
 
Dropperneck said:
I too was once altruistic.
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In the documentary I posted it is not surprising that the black and Latina trans ladies all live in dream worlds like how they assume that if you are white you are just magically somehow given everything, super wealthy, do not have to work, etc. or how the one tranny hooker Venus Xtravagana or Thomas Pellagatti (rest in peace) says how in her opinion any woman who is married or involved with a man is a prostitute and then goes on to claim that '...98% no, 95% of my male dates do not want or expect sex!' Yeah right, they did not book an hour or two hour date with you to sit around talking about Dynasty and drink tea. But she was not truthful as she claimed she was disowned or kicked out of her family's home and this was not what really happened. No I do not believe she deserved to be murdered, but it happens to prostitutes/sex workers all the time even in countries and places where prostitution and 'sex work' are completely legal, decriminalised, and legally tolerated in certain areas like massage parlours, brothels, red light districts, etc.

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Venus Xtravaganza’s Nephew on Her Legacy: ‘She Never Envisioned Herself Becoming a Transgender Martyr’

Venus Xtravaganza's nephew shares his memories of the LGBTQ icon who featured in the documentary 'Paris Is Burning' and what he hopes that people remember most about her.
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swilow said:
I wear shoes.

Tell me who you think is engineering the gender ideology conflict. I need a laugh.
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It’s a distraction, and something they are using to divide us. But the creepy amount of devotion the followers of gender ideology show coupled with the establishments strong push to include it in curriculums across the country makes me think there is something more insidious there. If you read past examples of how this stuff comes about, and turns to genocide so quickly you may not be so quick to dismiss it. It’s the same shit as what mao did or what happened in Cambodia. Look at how crazy these people got with the bit of power Covid gave them. You may laugh, but I’m just gonna keep noticing things and plan accordingly.
Also this ideology has all of the institutional power and corporate power behind it, while normal people that don’t adhere to its doctrine have basically no power structures behind them. That’s an important aspect of this.
 
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Dropperneck said:
It’s a distraction, and something they are using to divide us. But the creepy amount of devotion the followers of gender ideology show coupled with the establishments strong push to include it in curriculums across the country makes me think there is something more insidious there. If you read past examples of how this stuff comes about, and turns to genocide so quickly you may not be so quick to dismiss it. It’s the same shit as what mao did or what happened in Cambodia. Look at how crazy these people got with the bit of power Covid gave them. You may laugh, but I’m just gonna keep noticing things and plan accordingly.
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To me it is super weird they are putting all of this attention on very young children, teens, or people who are barely even 30.

I used to be basically completely for trans rights but this was when it involved adults only and the activists were fine with people not dating or having sex with trans people, nobody cared about pronouns, and 'deadnaming' was not seen as 'trauma' but just like someone changing their first name and people getting used to the person's new name.

However, now the way leftists are fine with child drag queens, fine with children and teens and young adults who have severe mental health issues being basically just given hormones and having irreversible sex change operations, and forcing children and teens who if they actually are LGB/T are probably not ready yet, to tell their teachers, basically the entire world online via social media, etc. and make it their entire identity is weird.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Again, yes. Either learned behaviour pounded into their minds their whole lives by parents or similar (and/or religious bullshit).
I wasn't stating that ALL homophobes are idiots (well, yes I am, but not that they are all unintelligent). just that there is a very direct correlating between homophobia and low intelligence, and not only that but there is a direct correlation where the more homophobic a person is, the lower their IQ is likely to be.
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Why does almost every response from individuals of the alphabet movement rarely have any factual information and almost always goes to personal slandering instead of attacking the argument itself.? Let’s ground ourselves in reality instead of emotions in order to produce a beneficial debate. They say we have low iq in order to sway the viewers opinion and to disregard what we have to say. Are facts, not “our truth” really that scary.?
 
Dropperneck said:
It’s a distraction, and something they are using to divide us. But the creepy amount of devotion the followers of gender ideology show coupled with the establishments strong push to include it in curriculums across the country makes me think there is something more insidious there. If you read past examples of how this stuff comes about, and turns to genocide so quickly you may not be so quick to dismiss it. It’s the same shit as what mao did or what happened in Cambodia.
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Look, I think gender ideology is a largely illiberal, unscientific, authoritarian belief system, and I'm definitely concerned about that. I guess that I get off the ride when we start talking about genocide. It just seems improbable that that's a likely outcome. I feel the same when leftists start claiming conservatives are fascist nazis who want to annihilate trans or blacks or whatever group. The outcome I see are polarised societies that crumble into unproductive squabbling, and a superpower we should mistrust rising and taking what's left. To me, that's a greater risk than what you suggest because it's way more plausible and, in fact, seems to already be underway.
 
Quackedtwigga said:
Why does almost every response from individuals of the alphabet movement rarely have any factual information and almost always goes to personal slandering instead of attacking the argument itself.? Let’s ground ourselves in reality instead of emotions in order to produce a beneficial debate. They say we have low iq in order to sway the viewers opinion and to disregard what we have to say. Are facts, not “our truth” really that scary.?
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You mistook the situation for one with someone who can think rationally and doesn't trust the judgment of someone else blindly because they are highly abnormal and rare amongst our species and in our societies.
The bottom line is that's a man lying and saying he is a woman.
That is a man that had cosmetic surgeries to live as a woman; he cannot become a woman physically.
It's a tolerable lie until people get out of hand and demand we live their lies for them.
With motives to Disnefy your children into being knowledgeable about the sexual activities of people who choose to live cosmetically as an unnatural gender while still being ignorant about their own natural sexual desires that have yet to fully form, the reason you are so despicable and delusional is you believe less than 0.46% of the U.S. population should have this attention and power, simply because achieving that makes you feel powerful.
You are a generation of delusional deadbeats where almost every single last one of you insists you are a LEADER.

Transgender people are not a significant social subject, people will ignore or avoid you just for being disabled and there's a lot more of us than there are trans people.
We have no voice whatsoever.
There is no rational point and explanation for even starting this thread, other than some people worship the media that I have not watched for 14 years.
I am well educated and have lived a rather bizarre life as a man having been sex trafficked by women for over 20 years.
These people are narcissistic menaces to society that thrive on attention and for some, an easy and large income cashing in on the conflicts and battles in the media that get you clicks on your social media and brands.
 
swilow said:
Look, I think gender ideology is a largely illiberal, unscientific, authoritarian belief system, and I'm definitely concerned about that. I guess that I get off the ride when we start talking about genocide. It just seems improbable that that's a likely outcome. I feel the same when leftists start claiming conservatives are fascist nazis who want to annihilate trans or blacks or whatever group. The outcome I see are polarised societies that crumble into unproductive squabbling, and a superpower we should mistrust rising and taking what's left. To me, that's a greater risk than what you suggest because it's way more plausible and, in fact, seems to already be underway.
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Honestly I think the extreme polarity we are seeing is by design. Why is it that the economy is currently on the brink (USD is under threat of becoming irrelevant thanks to BRICS, along with the Euro and the western world as a whole) yet people are hotly debating gender identity and intersectional/social justice issues. People have said for a long time that gender confusion happened in Rome as it was about to fall and I always thought that was interesting, but wondered how much of an historical trope it really is. Turns out it's not so wrong.

My "macro" view of what's going on is that billionaires and the financial class have sequestered all of the wealth, severely eroding equity and democracy. The institutions (political, social, economic), which have now largely come under the control of neoliberals, are creating narratives to make the increasingly-impoverished plebians fight among themselves about hotbutton social issues while the hidden hand pulls the financial rug out from under all of us. The neoliberals are pitting conservatives and liberals against each other like crazy, using the media (which they own) and the academic institutions (which they fund).

Seriously, the solution to most of our economic problems is to reclaim financial equity from the billionaires. It's not that hard. The fact that they're not doing it is either because they don't care, or because they are planning to end this economic system and create a new one. If the latter, then they will have to manufacture a financial crisis in order to do so, by squeezing the average person so tight that they will accept a new system. I strongly believe this is what's happening. Digital ID is coming and they won't use it to plan a utopia.

The only issue I care about is class warfare. It underlies absolutely everything that is going on right now. Getting people to see that is another story though. The social warfare happening is about people fighting for social power, but they are failing to see that the democratic power of the general population is being severely eroded via economy, such that the average person has no influence on government anymore, even if they form sociopolitical groups. As long as housing prices and food skyrocket, people are not going to fight for fear of losing what little they have. The roots of what's going on are not white supremacy or colonialism, it's neoliberalism and technocratism. If everyone who is fighting over social issues got together and went after Blackrock and Vanguard (who currently own most of the world's capital), the world could be restored to sanity tomorrow.

I also think that the censorship and discourse controls that are being put in place to "protect trans people" are just neoliberals seizing an opportunity to institute laws against our fundamental human rights, and they are using the goodwill of liberals/progressives to do so. In reality they don't give two shits about trans people or anybody. All they care about is money, capital and control. They would destroy every trans person in the western world tomorrow if it was somehow advantageous to do so.

People need to get a grip on reality and see who the real enemy is, before it's too late.
 
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