Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Yeah right... yolo..

Fool.

 

[NickKnowsMoreThnU]

I've recently become very infatuated with the prospect of using heroin. despite reading countless horror stories on here and elsewhere, experiencing the perfect high still feels very lucrative to me for some reason.

I've decided I'm never going to shoot it (a lot of junkies probably said this at one point), only smoke it. I've researched the whole chasing the dragon technique, and i feel the toxic leukoencephalopathy illness is more than likely caused by either impurities in the poor quality street h, or by toxins on the tinfoil (or at least that's what I'm forcing myself to believe). so i'm planning on using a vaporizer pipe of sorts, and the method of acquiring the heroin will be via the darknet markets so I'll have better quality control on what I'm getting (I have no connects where I live, anyway).

I know it sounds like I've already made up mind, so I'm not really sure why I'm even posting this here, to be honest with you. maybe i have some farfetched idea that maybe I'll get some sort of positive reassurance from someone, but from what i've read, i doubt it. or maybe someone will whisper some magical spell and rid me of my deathly curiosity. i dont know.

However, an alternative I've been considering as of late would be to try out smoking opium latex instead. I've read it's less potent than heroin. my question is; would smoking that be strongly advised against as well? what would the odds of ruining my life be if I decided to try that out instead? (less than heroin, no doubt, but is that even saying much? or is it by a wide margin?) I also have the notion that by trying it, I'll more than likely graduate to smack. idk.

Heres the thing, Everyone feels that way befor ethey try anything. My favorite way to explain it is, Its like standing in line for a really scary roller coaster, you get that anxious feeling in the pit of your stomach, you have all these preconcieved ideas of what its going to be like. Then you get on it and its pretty fun you go up the big hill all scared and then you go down the hill and get REALLY scared, then you put your hands up in the air for the rest of the ride cause you realize how fun it is. Then you get off the ride, all your limbs are in tact and you made it throuht the experience without a scratch. And you think "hey that wasn't so bad that wasnt as scary as I thought it was going to be" then you see an even bigger ride! And you say "hey im gonna try that one."

Long story short: two weeks later your broke and sitting infront of a space heater like the rest of us.

 

[somnilicious]

Heroin YEAH! YODO!

 

[missmeyet?]

I dont know what you guys are talking about... If I didn't think it was awesome I wouldn't still be doing it. Think about it peoples enitire lives get ruined because of it and they continue to do it. Its gotta be pretty f***ing good if people will do ANYTHING to get it. But then again, its not that fun, you get really sick when you dont have it, and it costs a lot of money. OH YEAH, and you can die...
But, FUCK IT... right? "YOLO" lol

Generally the reason people will do anything to get it is because it makes them so deathly sick when they dont have it..you may only live once but if ythat time that you are actually alive is cut so short that you dont get to realize and/or enjoy the real things in life or anything besides heroin addiction then its pretty sad...and stupid...to give up a long happy life for a stupid drug? To be so limited in your experiences because you turned your whole short little dumb self over to heroin?

 

[somnilicious]

Sorry about the sarcasm. I have just become well acquainted with death during my 12yr addiction to dope. I also fell out and stopped breathing with my eyes still open last week. So I am a bit jaded at the moment. Thank God I was in a busy parking lot where someone on spot knew CPR. After all that I still find myself glorifying heroin in my mind. Although not as much as when I was a heroin sprout. I guess losing friends and loved ones will do that to a person.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

Got a question. What if my friend who is addicted to other pharms not opiates who loves/LOVES oxy but doesnt do it often at all keeps pestering me to give him a line of china white. I had a bad experience with a girl and meth that way. SHould I just carry on refusing as I have been when I have my occasional indulgence ? My gut says yes carrying on refusing him so that's what I'm gonna do.

Just might be an interesting topic for this thread.

 

[dopemaster]

I suggest going with your gut and doing what you feel is moral and ethical.

The problem with oxy is there is no ceiling in terms of tolerance. It is good for breakthru pain and obviously people like it recreationally.

China White can be a bit danerous and I suggest you be careful, moral, and ethical in regards to that manner.

Just as long as no one gets hurt or incarcerated or does something immoral, I see no problem.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

Yeah man. I'm on over 300 mgs now and need 400 to actually feel okay. oxy^ at my worst was 600/700 mgs a day. Only reason I to china white is when my script runs out. I just will have to hold out for a day or, or 3. I've done it before it a nice substitute lol.

The main reason my gut says know is we're talking bout a man a very addictive personality. we have a mutual dealer him coke me thai white when I'm out of oxy. So if I gave him a try he'd have a supply and that's my reason and gut as well. feels immoral because I know exactly wat will happen if I do.

Substituting with china fucks up my oxy tolerance so badly it's only if I'm faced with withdrawal (no doc available) - like now cos its a weekend and my weekly script got fked up. But sleeping on keyboard is pretty cool i guess, oxy i prefer, cleaner and I have pain .

 

[somnilicious]

I would say to keep refusing. As you said it's not like he is all ready in extreme opiate addiction anyways and the cheap price of heroin would probably facilitate a quick downfall. Plus ask yourself if he became a raging addict or even died if you could live with the thought that you contributed in someway? Believe me I have done this and it is a painful experience. In a horribly cyclical way these feelings of guilt only helped fuel my addiction.

 

[dopemaster]

Oxy did not work out very well for me for my pain management. I had a legal rx and requested to not be on it.

My rx was changed to morphine and I am far more happpier.

That is just me and everyones body is unique.

BTW I got to the point where I could take over 600 mgs of oxy in an evening. So no ceiling in tolerance for me at least.

This is definitley not medical advice and simply my personal experiences.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

^ I also only get legal rxs. sigh. its bad man. I cant stick to the drs dose so i get my scripts weekly sometimes even 2 scripts a week stretched out.

U talking oral morphine ? I don't IV. I tried IVing a demoral ampoule as a once kid and missed, scared the bejesus out of me. LWHole arm went red. But Clean medical ampoul, if that was street it would have been bad.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Got a question. What if my friend who is addicted to other pharms not opiates who loves/LOVES oxy but doesnt do it often at all keeps pestering me to give him a line of china white. I had a bad experience with a girl and meth that way. SHould I just carry on refusing as I have been when I have my occasional indulgence ? My gut says yes carrying on refusing him so that's what I'm gonna do.

Just might be an interesting topic for this thread.

The whole giving your friends H is a tough topic at times.. on one hand, you don't wanna be the one responsible for helping somebody start using heroin.. on the other, they're already using drugs anyway, and they are an adult.. you're not their parents, so why should you care? Obviously, the right thing to do.. is to refuse and not give it to them. Let them go find it on their own if they really want to do that.

But, I have also given in sometimes because I knew they where going to do it anyway, and if they did it with me, at least I could give them the right dose and make sure they are safe. Who knows what other idiot they might use with who has no clue what he/she is doing.

I also have a lot of guilt for turning some of the people I have onto H over the years, especially onto the needle.. seeing them years later with their life totally in the toilet, you feel like shit that you had a hand in that.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

Had that with a chick a introduced to crystalmeth. shes a prostitute with a kid now.

Na he depends on me solely for his opiates. Don't think he even knows the coke dealers sells china white too. It's definitely the wrong thing to do in this situation.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

When I was in active hardcore addiction.. it was hard to resist if the person had money. I'd be like, no, no no I'm not giving it to you, whatever. Then as soon as they were like, "but I've got money I'll buy you a bundle." I'm like.. "Ok lets go." Hah.

The sickness of addiction, man.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

Yeah it sucks living in a 3rd world country where addicts are loathed my friend said he'd beat up a junkie today (that the level of ignorance). I had to explain they aint doing it for fun anymore homeless. Thats what im dealing with. Hence why I stick to my legal pharms. A weekend in jail c/ting. fk that.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Where do you live?

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

Me ? I'm from here.

 

[dopemaster]

^ I also only get legal rxs. sigh. its bad man. I cant stick to the drs dose so i get my scripts weekly sometimes even 2 scripts a week stretched out.

U talking oral morphine ? I don't IV. I tried IVing a demoral ampoule as a once kid and missed, scared the bejesus out of me. LWHole arm went red. But Clean medical ampoul, if that was street it would have been bad.

Yes I am finally able to take my medication properly. I take time release morphine. If I do not stick to my schedule I get sick, but so far, so good.

I have had several severe injuries and without it I would be in unbearable pain.

It is a pain in the ass but I like to be functional and not suffer. If my pain could be fixed I would taper off opiates completely.

As far as getting adjusted to my medication I did get sick and I dealt with it. It was worth it in the long run.

 

[NickKnowsMoreThnU]

Generally the reason people will do anything to get it is because it makes them so deathly sick when they dont have it..you may only live once but if ythat time that you are actually alive is cut so short that you dont get to realize and/or enjoy the real things in life or anything besides heroin addiction then its pretty sad...and stupid...to give up a long happy life for a stupid drug? To be so limited in your experiences because you turned your whole short little dumb self over to heroin?

I put the YOLO in quotations because i was being sarcastic, and blaming being sick for a week as the reason people are addicted makes me think "you're either extremely rich, or werent addicted for any where near 12 years."

I personally have been clean,past the withdrawls and in the clear numerous times, and I'm assuming you have too. So have probably 95% of the opiate addicts on here. I'm not glorifying opiate "addiction" but the feeling you get from opiates is definitely a good feeling. I have been sober for seven months now,(7/4/13) and I didn't do it with NA HA AA triple A. I just realized exactly what you said, there are far greater feelings in life than being high on opiates, and those feelings last much longer than a heroin rush. I was a drug addict because I LOVED opiates, but I also love a lot of other things. And one day I realized I was missing out on those things that I loved, other than opiates. So if I sound like I'm glamorizing opiates, maybe I am, but don't for one second think that I don't know what the struggle is. I know the struggle like Jerry knows Tom. And I'm grateful for every second I get to spend on this Earth outside of the prison that is opiate addiction.

 

[Sharevari]

Well one of the positives of trying Opium is that it is less potent than heroin and will at least allow you to establish a bit of a 'base tolerance' should you end up trying heroin. You really don't want to be trying heroin with no tolerance since it's so potent that even if you don't overdose, you will still likely end up sick from it to the point of not being able to enjoy it at all.

Perhaps an even better bet would be to try some pharmaceutical opiates first. This way you at least know the dose that you are getting, which makes overdosing less likely considering you don't take too much of the known dose. And to be honest, heroin is very similar to most other opiates and people only turn to it when their tolerances to these pills gets too high, but they are still seeking out the same high that they were getting from the pills, but could no longer achieve due to an increase in tolerance coupled with the higher price of the pills.

I can honestly say that if my tolerance to vicodin had never gotten too high I would have been perfectly fine just sticking with that instead of working my way up the ladder all the way to heroin. The high is basically the same considering you don't IV the heroin, and even if you do it's still the same high minus the 10 second rush at the beginning of it.

which pharmaceutical opiates would you recommend for someone new to opiates? vicodin? oxy?