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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Just had 120mg of Mdma and had a blast idk what Y'all are going on about.
Saying this as someone that has overused MDMA as well as benzofurans and Mephedrone. love to all :P

edit: you should be able to see my location but it's Italy
 
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StakeMoody said:
I recently got some tested MDMA crystal (more like off-white rocks) after years of not being able to find any. Did it on two separate occasions w my gf. 1st time we each did a .18 and we were both quite underwhelmed. Three months later we did a .28 due to suspected low potency. We rolled but it was still not what I remember MDMA being when I first dabbled in it back in the day.. no overwhelming euphoria or ‘wow factor’ no crazy tactile enhancement, music just sounded a bit better. it was just alright. Very mild eye wiggles and some jaw clenching. Next time I’m thinking about upping the dose to a .35 or possibly higher to achieve desired effects. Anybody have any input here? For what it’s worth the substance itself did feel extremely clean and we both experienced the same effects off identical doses. No harsh comedowns, pretty smooth come ups, and no depression in the following days.
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I have some updates that I think will be useful to this thread regarding Mehdma.

So last night I took some from the same batch mentioned in my previous post. 300mg of this batch absolutely did the trick for me and 280 for my gf put her right up there with me. This is only her third time attempting to roll for the record with this one being a successful breakthrough. First two times were underwhelming compared to this. Man.. I completely forgot how awesome this medicine is as well as the experience. I will say again, this is REALLY clean M. Roll lasted for about 6 hours in total.

My conclusion for Mehdma in my case was having crystals that were ‘watered’ down and needing to basically double up the dose to achieve a breakthrough roll. I’d say the .3 I did last night was more on par with a .15ish of some pure crystal.

Keep in mind, I’ve never abused mdma or similar drugs. The only real rolls I’ve had is my first one back in 2014 and last night. Our last time attempting to roll was from a rather popular online vendor with 5mapb. We each took 125mgs and that was underwhelming.

I don’t know if I am articulating this well because this is the day after and I still feel out of it so bare with me plz 😅
StakeMoody said:
I recently got some tested MDMA crystal (more like off-white rocks) after years of not being able to find any. Did it on two separate occasions w my gf. 1st time we each did a .18 and we were both quite underwhelmed. Three months later we did a .28 due to suspected low potency. We rolled but it was still not what I remember MDMA being when I first dabbled in it back in the day.. no overwhelming euphoria or ‘wow factor’ no crazy tactile enhancement, music just sounded a bit better. it was just alright. Very mild eye wiggles and some jaw clenching. Next time I’m thinking about upping the dose to a .35 or possibly higher to achieve desired effects. Anybody have any input here? For what it’s worth the substance itself did feel extremely clean and we both experienced the same effects off identical doses. No harsh comedowns, pretty smooth come ups, and no depression in the following days.
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StakeMoody said:
I have some updates that I think will be useful to this thread regarding Mehdma.

So last night I took some from the same batch mentioned in my previous post. 300mg of this batch absolutely did the trick for me and 280 for my gf put her right up there with me. This is only her third time attempting to roll for the record with this one being a successful breakthrough. First two times were underwhelming compared to this. Man.. I completely forgot how awesome this medicine is as well as the experience. I will say again, this is REALLY clean M. Roll lasted for about 6 hours in total.

My conclusion for Mehdma in my case was having crystals that were ‘watered’ down and needing to basically double up the dose to achieve a breakthrough roll. I’d say the .3 I did last night was more on par with a .15ish of some pure crystal.

Keep in mind, I’ve never abused mdma or similar drugs. The only real rolls I’ve had is my first one back in 2014 and last night. Our last time attempting to roll was from a rather popular online vendor with 5mapb. We each took 125mgs and that was underwhelming.

I don’t know if I am articulating this well because this is the day after and I still feel out of it so bare with me plz 😅
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just sounds like a production issue to me reducing yield
 
PMMA (Taylor) hits the European market.



Get It While The Getting Is Good!

The Difference Between A Drug And A Poison Is Often The DOSE.
 
Rectify said:
PMMA (Taylor) hits the European market.



Get It While The Getting Is Good!

The Difference Between A Drug And A Poison Is Often The DOSE.
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Yikes. I honestly don't understand why a lab would manufacture PM(M)A in this day and age unless it's due to a shortage of precursor? To see it pop up in several countries in Europe all within a few weeks is certainly concerning. That tells me it's probably not a one off or a small time lab. I would genuinely love to have a conversation with the chemist/outfit who made this, just to understand their motivation...
 
Didgital said:
Yikes. I honestly don't understand why a lab would manufacture PM(M)A in this day and age unless it's due to a shortage of precursor? To see it pop up in several countries in Europe all within a few weeks is certainly concerning. That tells me it's probably not a one off or a small time lab. I would genuinely love to have a conversation with the chemist/outfit who made this, just to understand their motivation...
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I'm going to guess at money

precursor supply chain issues and/or seizures (precursor or MDMA), easier access to PMMA and/or its precursors compared to MDMA.

fucking scumbags whatever the driver but it still boils down to money/greed/not giving a shit about the punters taking it
 
Rectify said:
Like I Said, Watch PMMA Be GOOD!
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I mean the effects don't look shit, it just has a narrow window of safety, the issue is people not knowing that and thinking it's window is the same as MDMA and that's what gets them in trouble.

honestly I might even give PMMA a try intentionally myself, but I'd want to know that was what I ordered, not roll the dice (pun intended)
 
Anyone know what happened to pillreports (for EU) and where you can find recent results?

This PMMA YT vid seems a little byte sensational. Looks like it’s only found confirmed in the trump-nl pills here in the Netherlands. Grumble nevermind, researching this some more it seems problematic!
Here is a recent list from the Netherlands https://drugsredalert.nl/zwartelijst/ (we all know quite a lot of pills come by or through NL lol)
 
ksi said:
Anyone know what happened to pillreports (for EU) and where you can find recent results?

This PMMA YT vid seems a little byte sensational. Looks like it’s only found confirmed in the trump-nl pills here in the Netherlands. Grumble nevermind, researching this some more it seems problematic!
Here is a recent list from the Netherlands https://drugsredalert.nl/zwartelijst/ (we all know quite a lot of pills come by or through NL lol)
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protestkit.eu

Drug Purity Report: Week 36, 2026

Drug Purity Report #36/26. In this edition of the “last week on drugs”, more concerning news from the drug market. PMMA continues to be detected in Western and Central Europe, same as novel synthetic…
protestkit.eu protestkit.eu
 
placebonaut said:
I mean the effects don't look shit, it just has a narrow window of safety, the issue is people not knowing that and thinking it's window is the same as MDMA and that's what gets them in trouble.

honestly I might even give PMMA a try intentionally myself, but I'd want to know that was what I ordered, not roll the dice (pun intended)
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Seriously not worth it. PMA and PMMA both don't exhibit effects initially. Combined with other drugs, or a re-dose, they quickly delve into dangerous territory. Both act as a selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA) with weak effects on dopamine and norepinephrine transporters. However, relative to MDMA, they are considerably less effective as a releaser of serotonin with properties more akin to a reuptake inhibitor in comparison. They evoke robust hyperthermia while producing only modest hyperactivity and serotonergic neurotoxicity, substantially lower than that caused by MDMA. Anecdotal reports suggest they are not particularly euphoric at all, perhaps even dysphoric in contrast. PMA has also been shown to act as a potent, reversible inhibitor of the enzyme MAO-A with no significant effects on MAO-B, and the combination of this property and serotonin release is likely responsible for its high lethality potential.

It appears that PMA elevates body temperatures dramatically; the cause of this property is suspected to be related to its ability to inhibit MAO-A and at the same time releasing large amounts of serotonin, effectively causing serotonin syndrome. It appears that PMA activates the hypothalamus much more strongly than MDMA and other drugs like ephedrine, thereby causing rapid increases in body temperature (which is the major cause of death in lethal PMA/PMMA overdoses).

I remember back in c.~2000, a bunch of kids in Chicago got bodied up by PMA… If it were hella euphoric or somehow special then I'd say it would be worthy of exploration. But the truth is that it's just garbage that makes you overheat.
 
unodelacosa said:
Seriously not worth it. PMA and PMMA both don't exhibit effects initially. Combined with other drugs, or a re-dose, they quickly delve into dangerous territory. Both act as a selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA) with weak effects on dopamine and norepinephrine transporters. However, relative to MDMA, they are considerably less effective as a releaser of serotonin with properties more akin to a reuptake inhibitor in comparison. They evoke robust hyperthermia while producing only modest hyperactivity and serotonergic neurotoxicity, substantially lower than that caused by MDMA. Anecdotal reports suggest they are not particularly euphoric at all, perhaps even dysphoric in contrast. PMA has also been shown to act as a potent, reversible inhibitor of the enzyme MAO-A with no significant effects on MAO-B, and the combination of this property and serotonin release is likely responsible for its high lethality potential.

It appears that PMA elevates body temperatures dramatically; the cause of this property is suspected to be related to its ability to inhibit MAO-A and at the same time releasing large amounts of serotonin, effectively causing serotonin syndrome. It appears that PMA activates the hypothalamus much more strongly than MDMA and other drugs like ephedrine, thereby causing rapid increases in body temperature (which is the major cause of death in lethal PMA/PMMA overdoses).

I remember back in c.~2000, a bunch of kids in Chicago got bodied up by PMA… If it were hella euphoric or somehow special then I'd say it would be worthy of exploration. But the truth is that it's just garbage that makes you overheat.
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that does align with most the bad things I've already read about it.

the new bit for me is that the stim upside is "modest", think that might be a show stopper, especially given onset and narrower window i.e. you're not going to be taking more to overcome the modest stim upside.

hmm, maybe 1 to pass on
 
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