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Opioids Does anyone in the U.S. do opium anymore?

If you are lucky and able to obtain some latex opium, do not waste it by smoking.

Laudanum is the way to go: Dissolve it in small amount of alcohol (brandy, whisky, port wine) and drink it.

Attempts to prepare smokable material from poppy pods are even more foolish. Ofc, it's possible (alkaline ethanol could be handy here), but very, very wasteful.
 
No. Opium is not a form still used commonly in the United States. I believe what you're asking is, not is it physically possible to obtain it within the borders of the country, but more, is there any kind of active market for this in the United States and the answer is a hard no. I think all of us have a story of being sold fake Opium in our youth... and that was 15 years ago, there was hardly any Opium then. If you do encounter it, it would be either on a lark or following some kind of determined operation to locate it. Anything can be bought on the darkweb and I don't believe it's sourcing to say something so obvious.

If you're wanting to try Opioids and you don't want to endanger yourself, your best bet is to find someone who has some Codeine laying around from their wisdome tooth extraction and buy it off of them. In case you aren't aware, Opium is 88% plant matter, 10% Morphine, 2% Codeine (generally). Furthermore, Codeine is metabolized into Morphine anyway, so taking Codeine tablets at the appropriate dose should be hardly any different than Opium at an equipotent dosage.
 
“I never tried that, but I have both evaporated the tea and juiced the pods in a wheatgrass juicer evaporating that. The resultant "pod tar" I would equate to very poor "grade D" opium. You can get a buzz, but you smoke and smoke it leaving a bunch of dross unburnt behind and it's hard or impossible to get a decent high. It works better making a tea (I usually also ate the leftover pod after) Even with just the tea, It takes a while to come on and is notorious for giving a very long lasting high.”@Brokedownpalace10

ditto
From what I recall, opium’s affects regardless of the collection effort, depends on it’s alkaloid content and ratio’s. TLDR kinda like the effects of mescaline alone differ from cactus e.g. yotes alk content includes maoi activity i believe producing a full spectrum experience
 
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Ah yes, that was it. That was a fun site. I liked reading through grow-diaries from different parts of the world and admire the pictures that came with them. I remember "pod tar" and I also remember "pod putty", but i'm not sure if they were two different things.

And they did have different methods people tried to purify it some more. One was freezing it partially and pouring the liquid off leaving the partially frozen stuff behind in a process similar to making applejack.
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Holy shit! This triggered a memory. Do you recall that the guy who introduced that technique to the forum called it his "ice-o-lation" technique?! It was a brilliant name. Very clever.

"grade D" opium. You can get a buzz, but you smoke and smoke it leaving a bunch of dross unburnt behind and it's hard or impossible to get a decent high
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Yeah, that was my experience as well, and that was the last time I bothered with trying to do anything fancy with the precious few flowers I'd grown that season. Still, that was a fun time and I have fond memories of that website.

Even with just the tea, It takes a while to come on
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there is something about pod tea that gives a nice, long lasting high
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The magic of opium. Supposedly morphine is the main alkaloid that gives opium its analgesic properties, and it's definitely the most "famous". Funny thing about pure, extracted morphine in a pill form to be taken orally - it has an atrocious oral bioavailability and only lasts a few hours. And yet, that same morphine, when it's left with all the myriad other alkaloids in opium poppies, will produce an absolutely cracking high that lasts for 12 - 24 hours (depending on how you define its start and end). It's such a layered, nuanced high as well. It remains my all time favourite in the opiate or opioid category. Many years ago I had a good flower season. By then I had enough knowledge of the plant to be able to take care of it during its growth (and it turns out that most of the time it just wants you to leave it alone), and then then I'd enjoy its 'thank you' in the form of little balls of raw latex. I didn't do a single thing to that latex to refine it or change it. I just collected it, set it aside, and then ate some now and then.

Those were some of the best times in my life. I remember the amazement at the length of onset. I had previously only had some experience with codeine and oxy (both of which I'd start to feel within 15 to 20 minutes of swallowing, and which would hit peak at about an hour and a bit). This opium, though... by 30 minutes it was already far stronger than anything else I'd taken (sedative analgesic-wise). By an hour I was shocked that it was still ramping up! The active come up was about two hours, and after that I settled into this incredible peak which seemed to last 4 to 5 hours before any signs of the slightest drop in strength.

Anyway, back to current day reality. Walking through the city streets in Melbourne and this kid in his late-teens, wearing a full fur suit (but carrying the head, not wearing it) says to me as I pass "Did you know that friendship is magic?!", and I just laughed and walked on. With a twinkle in my eye and just a hint of sadness, I said softly, to myself, 'no, my friend, opium is magic'.

<Disclaimer: The last part of this post may be bullshit that never happened>
 
I normally just surf logged out, but I dug out my password to reply because this subject of opium gum availability in the US has always interested me.

I lived in Minneapolis-St. Paul for about 4 years. There is a large Hmong Vietnamese refugee population, as well as a decent number of Laotian and Cambodian immigrants. About 5 months after I moved there, there was a decent sized opium bust at Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport, and it definitely wasn’t a personal stash sized amount. It was carried by a woman who originated on a flight from Laos via Tokyo. I found it interesting that it was powdered and originally thought when the story broke that it might’ve been misidentified heroin, but they never updated it to clarify. Seeing as most southeast asian heroin is a whitish powder, I’m guessing it was really opium. Besides, if it was heroin, I know the CBP and DEA would be all over claiming that bust and wanting to make sure everybody knew lol.

In any case, it makes you wonder how much foreign opium is making its way into the country. I personally haven’t seen any that wasn’t harvested by a home grower.

Here’s a link to the news article:

www.cbsnews.com

US Customs: Over 30 Pounds Of Opium Powder Seized At MSP Airport

Over 30 pounds of opium powder has been seized at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) announced Tuesday.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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Halif2 said:
by 30 minutes it was already far stronger than anything else I'd taken (sedative analgesic-wise). By an hour I was shocked that it was still ramping up! The active come up was about two hours, and after that I settled into this incredible peak which seemed to last 4 to 5 hours before any signs of the slightest drop in strength.
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Hallelujah.

Never let myself get hooked and I'd grow just a few poppies a year, but that pod high was a big old style Cadillac that ran anything else off the road and cruised into tomorrow.

There were many theories as to that long high, from secondary alkaloids to the tea/tar/straight pod powder forming some kind of time release matrix to where it absorbed slowly. IMO, that latter might seem more likely.
 
Probably wouldn't be as great as having weed around. I wish there were opium dispensaries as well, however.

Seems like it would be quite a delicacy or expensive option.

The ' opium dens ' seemed like a nice bar-b-qued pit stop back in the times. Lol. Let the opium flow again please. 🙏
 
Ditto on a lot of this…ran across opium once and they only let me hit it once. And yes duped by the opium incense hustle, bastard phish junkies. Fast forward to the pods. Came from uk. Ironically. And growing them…seed when cold late winter early spring and leave them alone but to thin them. They need space. With good seeds yield larger pods. There’s so many varieties…some are better for precursors to produce synthetics (thebaine) and some yield more actives. Of course they have stress response that helps the yield

Did y’all ever adjust pH making tea? I used coffe grinder and an expresso maker…..bliss
 
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Same I have wanted to try it for sometime here in the uk or at least find one of these illusive shops that sell poppy pods or poppy seeds apparently they are "everywhere" but 5-6 years of looking and asking albos and poles "you got any poppy whatevers mate" most of the time they dont even know what im on about the closest thing I even got was these bags of poppy seeds but they did absolutely sweet F-A.

I latter found out that the white ones are useless its the dark ones or the places that you can scoop them into a bag and weigh them like 2p sweets.. but for the life of me I have NEVER found one of these I still keep an eye out instinctively but I gave up seeking them out years ago. actually I think I still have a couple bags of the white poppy seeds which is about as good as a rx prescription script at midnight. I might renew my search again just for something to do.. does anyone have any pointers?

its crazy that I stumbled upon this thread cus I watched this dope(pun intended) documentary of the opium crisis in hong kong during the the couple decades of the 20th century its sad though because the hong kong police cracked down so hard on opium that they got rid of it and I guess expected all the addicts in the city with the worst opiate addiction relative to population ratio to magically get clean.. did they get clean? no they all got on heroin instead and then before you knew it heroin had replaced opium and buiseness was booming once again another example of the "war on drugs" I think everyone knows the war on drugs is absolutely counter productive now but politicans ain't gonna risk becoming "zaks gonna give you crack vote greens".

I would highly reccomend this documentary to any opiate head. mandem are using matchboxs MATCHBOXES! as.. toots!! yeah you heard that right.. match boxes as toots.. why? I have no idea but you can bet they stuff they are smoking is 100 times better on average than the stuff we get in the uk atm and im not talking about bash im talking about the tt or the good stuff which i am not complaining about it defo does the job.. but I can just tell that the tt they are smoking on this documentary is way better. Am I the only one who gets a kick out of watching people chase the dragon? The crazy things these drugs make us do eh? And poppy seeds or the right seeds by weight are generally like an urban legend that everyone talks about, but in stores you only see useless white poppy seeds for baking. Instead of looking for dangerous substances and spoiling your health, it is better to watch an interesting movie or switch your attention to something safe. For example, if in the evening you want to relax, have a rest and read about entertainment, you can visit https://icasino-reviews.co.nz/google-pay/ where you can find good reviews and positive bonuses for a pleasant pastime. The shadow of the past in Hong Kong is really impressive, but it is better to watch such things only through the screens of documentaries.



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What was the name of that documentary that showed Hong Kong?
 
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" Does anyone in the U.S. do opium anymore? "

I would. And always will. Yeah bb !



I'm going to find a ' pain management ' location and find out if the pharmacy's are still manufacturing good prescripts. Will see.

I think I still like the time released a lot. Recreationally. Not for pain. Yes.
 
It might be hard to make heroin but it's dead easy to make a tincture for pain relief, which some of us badly need.
This plant should be legal for home use. I am a hardened criminal because I suffer stiffly from bad arthritis.

Opium is pretty weak compared to modern prescription opioids. You need to smoke a decent amount to get an effect.

However a small plot for personal use will definetly produce enough for a few days of relaxation and pain relief. They are labour intensive..
 
have to agree with @Halif2

I've found morphine good for analgesia, but far too sedating at the dose which provides the analgesia. Also 'boring' in effect, dull. I find codeine just make me super nauseous and useless for anagesia

Opium however, with it's concoction of alkaloids (thebaine in particular perhaps) is a completely different beast, at least when consumed orally ('smoking' it is 99% waste of time and product unless you know exactly what you're doing and, crucially, have the correct equipment to do so)

Eating 125mg high quality opium gives me 12-14 hours total pain relief and a great day, feels epic. Super smooth, super content, just great. I can still feel the analgesic affects the next day too (maybe 50% of the previous day) but none of the high.

Had access to it for years, just very fortunate. And managed to keep use to fortnightly. Source is now dead unfortunately so that's that. All things must pass.
 
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('smoking' it is 99% waste of time and product unless you know exactly what you're doing and, crucially, have the correct equipment to do so)
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Hen Pox.

Old Chinese Junkies & the early Morphine addicts in the 1900's USA would collect the ash from The Pipe & add water plus other things & then "Cook" the Ash & shoot what came out as like you said most of the good stuff doesn't get turned to smoke so shooting Hex Pox as it was called became a way to stop being sick if you were poor or wanted a bit more of a kick.
 
Rabbit said:
It vanished from the US black market not long after 9/11. Used to be widely available. Most every large weed dealer had a block of the stuff around. You could buy a gram for the same price you'd usually pay for a dime bag of weed. I haven't seen it since 2002 or 2003. My guess is all the opium latex that used to get converted into smoking opium got redirected to both the legal market and the black market for heroin.

You can't get smoking opium just by extracting latex from a pod. You have to do some magic to the raw opium to make it worth smoking. Most people that grow small batches of pods don't bother because it's wasteful. They typically consume orally by making tea or eating it raw.

We wasted tons of the stuff back in the day mixing it in joints and blunts. Typical opiate effects. If you don't use the proper tools and method for smoking it you're wasting a lot. No one had a proper opium pipe. We didn't buy it very often. I saw how it came packaged once. It came in little bricks with a scorpion stamped into them. Which I assume was a cartel marking.

Even if it had been around after 2002-2003 I doubt anyone would have purchased it enough to make it worthwhile to continue taking the risk on importing it. Around the same time pharma opioids exploded on to the market to the point where you usually didn't have to buy them. People were giving them away by the handful. Every high school kid in the country had access. It was easier to obtain pills and they provided much stronger effects for the money. Even codeine cough syrup was stronger the way most people were smoking the opium back then. No one knew any better so the vast majority was being wasted by smoking it in glass bowls or mixing it in joints.

For about a year or two after it vanished from the market people were taking advantage of customers looking for it by selling something called "red rock opium". Which was just some incense you could buy at Wal-Mart. See: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/opiates/opiates_myth1.shtml

The opium I always saw that was legit was dark brown - black. Anyone that had seen the real stuff knew the "Red Rock" was bullshit the moment they handled it. But a lot of dumb teenagers got fooled I'm sure.
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I miss the codeine syrup you were able to get back in early 2000s besides the Tylenol 3 garbage you'reabke to get if your lucky gets you a little buzz nothing like the codeine and promethazine though.
 
fuckabout89 said:
I miss the codeine syrup
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