Opioids Does anyone in the U.S. do opium anymore?

[janec]

I searched the forums, and it sounds as though people on vacation in SE Asia look/find it, but not in the U.S. I have always wanted to try it, and I don't want to stereotype where to get it. Anyone in the U.S. smoke it? I am interested to hear all about your experiences!

 

[garygroundwork]

I searched the forums, and it sounds as though people on vacation in SE Asia look/find it, but not in the U.S. I have always wanted to try it, and I don't want to stereotype where to get it. Anyone in the U.S. smoke it? I am interested to hear all about your experiences!

Me too.

Never tried it, never seen it.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

I mean there’s definitely SOME people that do it. There are people few and far between that grow little patches of poppies for personal use. It’s extremely far from common though and I highly doubt there are more than a small handful of people that actually SELL it

 

[HealingEnergy14]

I searched the forums, and it sounds as though people on vacation in SE Asia look/find it, but not in the U.S. I have always wanted to try it, and I don't want to stereotype where to get it. Anyone in the U.S. smoke it? I am interested to hear all about your experiences!

You better start stereotyping if you want to get it. Lol

 

[red22]

There are people few and far between that grow little patches of poppies for personal use.

An older guy at a café told me he did that. The founder of Mycotopia did it.

If you have unwashed poppy seeds, it's possible to obtain opium by soaking a lot of poppy seeds in a liquid and then evaporating the liquid but it's probably a very inefficient process, requiring many poppy seeds.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

An older guy at a café told me he did that. The founder Mycotopia did it.

If you have unwashed poppy seeds, it's possible to obtain opium by soaking a lot of poppy seeds in a liquid and then evaporating the liquid but it's probably a very inefficient process, requiring many poppy seeds.

I never thought about evaporating the water. Interesting. I just hear of people making poppy seed (also pod) tea. I wouldn’t consider that opium though since opium is from the latex of the live poppy pod (as I’m sure you know)

 

[ControlDenied]

lol the group of older kids who i started doing drugs with in my teens, got opium here and there. I have NO idea who they got it from tho or anything like that. I've smoked it once in Serbia when my local friends made it in their horticulture lab at school

 

[jose ribas da silva]

Only very rich people of course, easy to answer this one, you can close the thread now

 

[Halif2]

I wouldn’t consider that opium though since opium is from the latex of the live poppy pod

When you wash a large batch of poppy seeds, you are literally washing tiny bits of pod latex off the seeds and into the water. So what you get when you make tea is very much opium. It's just that it's in a highly diluted, liquid form. Additionally, you need to have the right variety of poppy seeds (papaver somniferum).

With access to "quality seeds" (meaning unwashed or minimally processed) in large enough quantities, you can make a tea or a reduction (a putty) that is surprisingly strong. The strength of this tea/putty is notoriously variable, and it is very important to test new batches slowly and carefully.

While seed tea/putty is not as nice as latex straight off a pod, it is still very much opium and can be very enjoyable. It is also wildly addictive and painful to withdraw from.

 

[Chaurus]

lol the group of older kids who i started doing drugs with in my teens, got opium here and there. I have NO idea who they got it from tho or anything like that. I've smoked it once in Serbia when my local friends made it in their horticulture lab at school

Hmmm. Serbia!

I have a pretty good idea who use opium in Germany, although I've never gone out to acquire any. Neither have I ever seen anyone use it.

I fairly recently (within the last few years) had a date with a man who'd taken it in South-East Asia.

Now that the OP mentions it, I do remember taking some Lamaline® pills from France that contained opium powder.

Together with Tramadol they had been my later lover's prescription medication in France.

After he died, I inherited them.

 

[jasperkent]

Personally, I haven't seen real opium since the early 1980s. Man, I loved that stuff!

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

I have only heard of it once in New England in my 47 years. This was 30 years ago in the late 90's a neighbor had some. I never got to partake but I have taken many a dose of poppy seed tea.
The latest batch from the big distributor in OKC was very low quality & a rip off.
There is a better distributor in NJ who delivers quality consistently.
Maybe it's time for a greenhouse so I can produce my own goods eventually?
Other than that I'm thinking one would have to travel to the Middle East or SE Asia to find that particular substance.

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

It vanished from the US black market not long after 9/11. Used to be widely available. Most every large weed dealer had a block of the stuff around. You could buy a gram for the same price you'd usually pay for a dime bag of weed. I haven't seen it since 2002 or 2003. My guess is all the opium latex that used to get converted into smoking opium got redirected to both the legal market and the black market for heroin.

You can't get smoking opium just by extracting latex from a pod. You have to do some magic to the raw opium to make it worth smoking. Most people that grow small batches of pods don't bother because it's wasteful. They typically consume orally by making tea or eating it raw.

We wasted tons of the stuff back in the day mixing it in joints and blunts. Typical opiate effects. If you don't use the proper tools and method for smoking it you're wasting a lot. No one had a proper opium pipe. We didn't buy it very often. I saw how it came packaged once. It came in little bricks with a scorpion stamped into them. Which I assume was a cartel marking.

Even if it had been around after 2002-2003 I doubt anyone would have purchased it enough to make it worthwhile to continue taking the risk on importing it. Around the same time pharma opioids exploded on to the market to the point where you usually didn't have to buy them. People were giving them away by the handful. Every high school kid in the country had access. It was easier to obtain pills and they provided much stronger effects for the money. Even codeine cough syrup was stronger the way most people were smoking the opium back then. No one knew any better so the vast majority was being wasted by smoking it in glass bowls or mixing it in joints.

For about a year or two after it vanished from the market people were taking advantage of customers looking for it by selling something called "red rock opium". Which was just some incense you could buy at Wal-Mart. See: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/opiates/opiates_myth1.shtml

The opium I always saw that was legit was dark brown - black. Anyone that had seen the real stuff knew the "Red Rock" was bullshit the moment they handled it. But a lot of dumb teenagers got fooled I'm sure.

 

[SeekingOblivion]

When you wash a large batch of poppy seeds, you are literally washing tiny bits of pod latex off the seeds and into the water. So what you get when you make tea is very much opium. It's just that it's in a highly diluted, liquid form. Additionally, you need to have the right variety of poppy seeds (papaver somniferum).

With access to "quality seeds" (meaning unwashed or minimally processed) in large enough quantities, you can make a tea or a reduction (a putty) that is surprisingly strong. The strength of this tea/putty is notoriously variable, and it is very important to test new batches slowly and carefully.

While seed tea/putty is not as nice as latex straight off a pod, it is still very much opium and can be very enjoyable. It is also wildly addictive and painful to withdraw from.

I always wonder where people come up with enough seeds to continue this.

 

[Syntherize]

I always wonder where people come up with enough seeds to continue this.

You don’t make opium from seeds and getting seeds is easy if you know the right suppliers online. Cleaning raw opium in order to make it ready for smoking requires a quick rinse with high purity alcohol with a lot of sifting in order to remove all the plant material/debris. It’s not that hard to do, but it is labor intensive and tedious.

P.S. Most so called “opium” sold in the USA is usually just Mexican black tar heroin being sold as opium in order to not frighten the noobs. Also, what the other poster said about the little blocks with the scorpion stamp on it is DEFINITELY black tar heroin—-it can appear dark brown and/or black.

 

[Halif2]

There's a certain mystique around the whole notion of smoking opium. From pictures or paintings of 'opium dens' full of patrons (literally) lounging around, taking hits from their super long pipes, to the actual pipes which can be ornate and beautiful in and of themselves. I assume that this is part of the reason why people with little to no experience consuming opium often seem to be obsessed with the idea of smoking it rather than just eating it or making tea with the available material.

As HeadphonesandLSD said:

You can't get smoking opium just by extracting latex from a pod. You have to do some magic to the raw opium to make it worth smoking. Most people that grow small batches of pods don't bother because it's wasteful. They typically consume orally by making tea or eating it raw.

For the vast majority of people who grow a few plants for themselves, the most simple way is the best. Once pods have matured and dried, you can collect the pods, blend them and use the dried pod material to just make a tea. This is the easiest and most effective way to use the small amount of pod material you've spent months cultivating. And just because this is dead simple, it doesn't mean this isn't a good method. There are dozens of variables to consider (the amount of pod material you have, the strength of the strain the pods belong to, the user's body size and their tolerance to opiates, etc etc), but it's pretty hard to fuck this up completely, and you're fairly likely to get a very pleasant, deep, zen-like sense of calm and relaxation which lasts for many hours.

Inexperienced people who try to create smokable opium with their first batch of plants generally end up with a whole lot of disappointment. Many years ago there were loads of 'teks' for shit like so-called "cooked flake opium", and while I'm sure some people got some amount of success from some of these guides, I often found them to be an effective way to lose a good portion of the yield you'd painstakingly collected and obsessed over for months. Also, in hindsight it's kind of funny now, but the number of times people on some forums (like poppies.org I think was a good one if I'm remembering the name right - or papaversomniferum.com?) would post their experience about following these teks to the letter, step by step, and then coming to the forum to complain that it didn't work and they lost their precious raw opium latex, only for the OP to update and say "oh my bad, I forgot to add <critical step> between steps 4 and 5...."

For 99% of people who are just growing a few plants discreetly for themselves, it's so much better just to follow the KISS method (which is 'Keep It Simple, Stoner').

 

[Syntherize]

There's a certain mystique around the whole notion of smoking opium. From pictures or paintings of 'opium dens' full of patrons (literally) lounging around, taking hits from their super long pipes, to the actual pipes which can be ornate and beautiful in and of themselves. I assume that this is part of the reason why people with little to no experience consuming opium often seem to be obsessed with the idea of smoking it rather than just eating it or making tea with the available material.

As HeadphonesandLSD said:



For the vast majority of people who grow a few plants for themselves, the most simple way is the best. Once pods have matured and dried, you can collect the pods, blend them and use the dried pod material to just make a tea. This is the easiest and most effective way to use the small amount of pod material you've spent months cultivating. And just because this is dead simple, it doesn't mean this isn't a good method. There are dozens of variables to consider (the amount of pod material you have, the strength of the strain the pods belong to, the user's body size and their tolerance to opiates, etc etc), but it's pretty hard to fuck this up completely, and you're fairly likely to get a very pleasant, deep, zen-like sense of calm and relaxation which lasts for many hours.

Inexperienced people who try to create smokable opium with their first batch of plants generally end up with a whole lot of disappointment. Many years ago there were loads of 'teks' for shit like so-called "cooked flake opium", and while I'm sure some people got some amount of success from some of these guides, I often found them to be an effective way to lose a good portion of the yield you'd painstakingly collected and obsessed over for months. Also, in hindsight it's kind of funny now, but the number of times people on some forums (like poppies.org I think was a good one if I'm remembering the name right - or papaversomniferum.com?) would post their experience about following these teks to the letter, step by step, and then coming to the forum to complain that it didn't work and they lost their precious raw opium latex, only for the OP to update and say "oh my bad, I forgot to add <critical step> between steps 4 and 5...."

For 99% of people who are just growing a few plants discreetly for themselves, it's so much better just to follow the KISS method (which is 'Keep It Simple, Stoner').

Smoking opium or any other opioid for that matter is overrated and it is usually a waste since it doesn’t have any legs while also being too rapid onset in effect.

 

[SeekingOblivion]

You don’t make opium from seeds and getting seeds is easy if you know the right suppliers online. Cleaning raw opium in order to make it ready for smoking requires a quick rinse with high purity alcohol with a lot of sifting in order to remove all the plant material/debris. It’s not that hard to do, but it is labor intensive and tedious.

P.S. Most so called “opium” sold in the USA is usually just Mexican black tar heroin being sold as opium in order to not frighten the noobs. Also, what the other poster said about the little blocks with the scorpion stamp on it is DEFINITELY black tar heroin—-it can appear dark brown and/or black.

Interesting. I thought the post was referring to poppy seed tea being equivalent to opium in experience, and that does take a lot of seeds.

 

[Ddeeee]

I searched the forums, and it sounds as though people on vacation in SE Asia look/find it, but not in the U.S. I have always wanted to try it, and I don't want to stereotype where to get it. Anyone in the U.S. smoke it? I am interested to hear all about your experiences!

Same I have wanted to try it for sometime here in the uk or at least find one of these illusive shops that sell poppy pods or poppy seeds apparently they are "everywhere" but 5-6 years of looking and asking albos and poles "you got any poppy whatevers mate" most of the time they dont even know what im on about the closest thing I even got was these bags of poppy seeds but they did absolutely sweet F-A.

I latter found out that the white ones are useless its the dark ones or the places that you can scoop them into a bag and weigh them like 2p sweets.. but for the life of me I have NEVER found one of these I still keep an eye out instinctively but I gave up seeking them out years ago. actually I think I still have a couple bags of the white poppy seeds which is about as good as a rx prescription script at midnight. I might renew my search again just for something to do.. does anyone have any pointers?

its crazy that I stumbled upon this thread cus I watched this dope(pun intended) documentary of the opium crisis in hong kong during the the couple decades of the 20th century its sad though because the hong kong police cracked down so hard on opium that they got rid of it and I guess expected all the addicts in the city with the worst opiate addiction relative to population ratio to magically get clean.. did they get clean? no they all got on heroin instead and then before you knew it heroin had replaced opium and buiseness was booming once again another example of the "war on drugs" I think everyone knows the war on drugs is absolutely counter productive now but politicans ain't gonna risk becoming "zaks gonna give you crack vote greens".

I would highly reccomend this documentary to any opiate head. mandem are using matchboxs MATCHBOXES! as.. toots!! yeah you heard that right.. match boxes as toots.. why? I have no idea but you can bet they stuff they are smoking is 100 times better on average than the stuff we get in the uk atm and im not talking about bash im talking about the tt or the good stuff which i am not complaining about it defo does the job.. but I can just tell that the tt they are smoking on this documentary is way better. Am I the only one who gets a kick out of watching people chase the dragon? The crazy things these drugs make us do eh?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

There's a certain mystique around the whole notion of smoking opium. From pictures or paintings of 'opium dens' full of patrons (literally) lounging around, taking hits from their super long pipes, to the actual pipes which can be ornate and beautiful in and of themselves. I assume that this is part of the reason why people with little to no experience consuming opium often seem to be obsessed with the idea of smoking it rather than just eating it or making tea with the available material.

As HeadphonesandLSD said:



For the vast majority of people who grow a few plants for themselves, the most simple way is the best. Once pods have matured and dried, you can collect the pods, blend them and use the dried pod material to just make a tea. This is the easiest and most effective way to use the small amount of pod material you've spent months cultivating. And just because this is dead simple, it doesn't mean this isn't a good method. There are dozens of variables to consider (the amount of pod material you have, the strength of the strain the pods belong to, the user's body size and their tolerance to opiates, etc etc), but it's pretty hard to fuck this up completely, and you're fairly likely to get a very pleasant, deep, zen-like sense of calm and relaxation which lasts for many hours.

Inexperienced people who try to create smokable opium with their first batch of plants generally end up with a whole lot of disappointment. Many years ago there were loads of 'teks' for shit like so-called "cooked flake opium", and while I'm sure some people got some amount of success from some of these guides, I often found them to be an effective way to lose a good portion of the yield you'd painstakingly collected and obsessed over for months. Also, in hindsight it's kind of funny now, but the number of times people on some forums (like poppies.org I think was a good one if I'm remembering the name right - or papaversomniferum.com?) would post their experience about following these teks to the letter, step by step, and then coming to the forum to complain that it didn't work and they lost their precious raw opium latex, only for the OP to update and say "oh my bad, I forgot to add <critical step> between steps 4 and 5...."

For 99% of people who are just growing a few plants discreetly for themselves, it's so much better just to follow the KISS method (which is 'Keep It Simple, Stoner').

Poppies.org even clearly differentiated between actual opium and evaporated pod tea calling the evaporated tea "pod tar". And they did have different methods people tried to purify it some more. One was freezing it partially and pouring the liquid off leaving the partially frozen stuff behind in a process similar to making applejack.

I never tried that, but I have both evaporated the tea and juiced the pods in a wheatgrass juicer evaporating that. The resultant "pod tar" I would equate to very poor "grade D" opium. You can get a buzz, but you smoke and smoke it leaving a bunch of dross unburnt behind and it's hard or impossible to get a decent high. It works better making a tea (I usually also ate the leftover pod after) Even with just the tea, It takes a while to come on and is notorious for giving a very long lasting high.

So, no brainer, eating morphine requires a much larger dose but there is something about pod tea that gives a nice, long lasting high. "Legs" that are surprising and nice.
Makes it easier to OD on from what I understand, though.