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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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75mg Restavit (whatever its called) with my codeine last night. Nodding was pretty great... First hour or so lying on my bed was awesome then I made the regrettable decision to move to the other room with the TV on in the background. Ended up sleeping barely a wink all night (which sometimes happens I guess... annoying though).
 
^ I used to really like doxylamine with codeine, but developed a tolerance to the doxylamine fairly quickly (not to mention a huge codeine tolerance. But for a while it was great and I was nodding with my doses for once. :)

Does anyone here regularly use Milk Thistle in order to help prevent liver damage? I can get good quality Milk Thistle for fairly cheap, was considering it as my tolerance is quite high at the moment.
 
No fucker is answering my Codeine CWE thread so I'll ask the question here. Why do you use warm/hot water to dissolve the pills and then place the mixture in the fridge? I always use cold water to dissolve the pill, then when they're dissolved the go straight in the coffee filter. Am I doing it wrong?
 
^ perhaps as it's poor form to start a new thread without doing a little research first? Mr Blonde listed the solubilities of codeine/ibuprofen/paracetemol in the first post of this thread. Using cold water from the start is fine; using hot water and then cooling it would only really be necessary if you wanted to speed up the pills dissolving. Perhaps there may be some difference in how much ibu/apap is filtered based on the crystal sizes that form when it's dissolved in hot water then cooled again, but I doubt it would greatly affect your average CWE. Hope this helps.

(you'll note Mr B. suggests cool water, it's the erowid method that suggests using warm and then cooling)
 
Its not necessary at all. I use the cool water from my water dispenser which is at a nice 7-11 degrees celsius.

There is one advantage to putting it in the fridge/freezer for a bit though... it tends to solidify/freeze the nasty stuff at the bottom a little more and it helps with getting less crap in my initial extraction. I always do two extractions on the mixture though, because Im paranoid and dont like losing codeine.
 
Yeah that Mr Blonde sure knows what he is talking about, I would jump off a bridge if he said it would get me real high before I hit the water. *

*This message paid for by the Mr Blonde For President of Bluelight Party.
 
Which antihistamine do you guys prefer for potentiation? Doxylamine or Dimenhydrate? Also, I notice that Travacalm has caffeine in it, how does this effect the experience? (I'm a bit hesitant consuming anything with caffeine in it after a really bad experience with it a while ago)

Is it a good idea to combine an antihistamine with DXM, and then take codeine?
 
Michael_25 said:
Why do you use warm/hot water to dissolve the pills and then place the mixture in the fridge? I always use cold water to dissolve the pill, then when they're dissolved the go straight in the coffee filter. Am I doing it wrong?
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It depends on the pill. Some don't need hot water, others do if you want to break the tablet down into mush in the shortest period of time.
If you have a problem tablet instead of using hot water you can use a coffee grinder as suggested by someone else. I just use the smallest quanity of hot water to form a mush, give it a quick stir to make sure there are no solids, then pour in refrigerated water.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Yeah that Mr Blonde sure knows what he is talking about, I would jump off a bridge if he said it would get me real high before I hit the water. *

*This message paid for by the Mr Blonde For President of Bluelight Party.
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bahahhaha real life rofls were achieved from that comment



ps. i allway wounder about people using grinders for pills and powders. surly you would loose at least 5% each time you blended something, surely a spoon and razor is the way to go (i see how it could be very useful for larger amounts)
 
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Which antihistamine do you guys prefer for potentiation? Doxylamine or Dimenhydrate? Also, I notice that Travacalm has caffeine in it, how does this effect the experience? (I'm a bit hesitant consuming anything with caffeine in it after a really bad experience with it a while ago)

Is it a good idea to combine an antihistamine with DXM, and then take codeine?
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I prefer dimenhydrinate (travacalm) but in reality I think they're both equally effective. I started using travacalm because my main issue with opiates has always been nausea. I tend to think restavit is a bit more sedating (though travacalm is very sedating as well). Anyway, when I was using codeine regularly I'd switch which one I used, just for laughs, and because tolerance builds to them very quickly. I think though that they'd be cross tolerant, does anyone know for sure?

I've never felt the caffeine at all from travacalm, and I'm really sensitive to it as well. It's only a small amount, I doubt you'll feel it.

I would take my antihistamines 1 hr prior to taking codeine, and dxm 30 mins prior.
 
About 30mg DXM footscrazy? Im still undecided about how much DXM is too much. Ive had mixed experiences from the 30-60mg pre codeine DXM pre-load method.

Meanwhile a box of 100 pan fortes plus a xanax script = a pleasant long weekend. Plus fuck all work to do (3hrs tomorrow morning) and a bunch of Uni shit I can comfortably procrastinate until next week. Plus some video games that need finishing :)
 
I always used to take 60mg (20ml) but I do think that's probably a bit too much, it did used to affect my nod. 30mg (10ml) is probably a much better starting point, though I don't take dxm as a potentiator at all anymore and haven't for a few months, as I don't like the stimulated edge it gives my opiate highs.
 
I dont really understand why someone would want to crush up there pills when most brands dissolve so easily within minutes. I have tried travel calm. Red box (original one) doesnt contain any caffeine. Id only use it if I am taking potent opiates like oxy or hydromorphone. I suppose if u have no tolerance to codeine and dont want to risk getting nausea then u should consider it but after time u wont get sick at all even with high doses. Regarding DXM I prefer roughly 20-30ml otherwise it will over power the codeine and will make u feel really bad. I find that it really potentiates the codeine.
 
^ Travacalm original is the blue box, as far as I can remember the red one is hyoscine only. The blue box is the only one that contains any antihistamine.
 
The caffeine in travacalm is a very low 10mg per tab. It's there to help lower the sedative effect of the first gen antihistamine although I doubt such a small amount has much of an effect and also doubt caffeine has the same legs as dimenhydrinate.

Caffeine is a known potentiator but you need over 100mg in my experience. Large energy drinks always increase my opiate/opioid high and they contain in the range of 160mg caffeine. Caffeine tablets would be your best bet. That way you aren't drinking all the other nastys that are in energy drinks.

I too have stopped using DXM for the reasons stated above. Sometimes it worked really well and other times it just made the experience very weird. I prefer to dose a little higher than use DXM now days. I had some really bad highs when I tried to get the most out of what little opi's I had and ended up in a full blown DXM trip from taking too many swigs. If you do use DXM, 20ml 30mins before and a 10ml chaser around 20-30mins after dosing your codeine seems to be a good range for potentiation without too many DXM side effects.

Go easy on the travacalm too. Sometimes I had a terrible histamine reaction (especially when combining codeine with stronger opi's) even when using travacalm. A couple of times I forgot how many tablets I had taken, re-dosed to many travacalm to counteract the itch and ended up in a mild tropane like high (Datura is a tropane for those who don't know). Be careful because this deliriant state is long lasting and rarely enjoyable for the average drug user.
 
It's not actually caffeine in the the blue Travacalm; it's a similarly related xanthine though (theobromine perhaps?). They simply take diphenhydramine and and use theobromine as the salt (so it is actually diphenhydramine theobromine as the active drug).

The red Travacalm box is indeed simply hyoscine; it is primarily a muscarinic antagonist but it's anti-cholinergic properties make it effective in reducing nausea with little to no sedation. It is not an antihistamine.

My favorite antihistamine would have to be doxylamine, followed by dexchlorpheniramine (Polaramine). Doxylamine is better for a stronger, more sedating antihistamine that will help quell nausea. Dexchlorpheniramine does much the same though with less sedation. In fact, for those with bad allergies who find the second generation antihistamines not enough, I would often recommend Polaramine as it is the least sedating of the first generation antihistamines.
 
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