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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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I thought I read that some other related products contained theophylline (closely related to theobromine) but travacalm contained caffeine. I could definitely be wrong on that one. I have seen theophylline as an active in tablets in North America. I'll look into it later on so we can get to the bottom of it...
 
I know the box of Travalcam original definately lists 20mg of caffeine per tablet. In my experience it does not have any effect on the opiate or antihistamine and if anything I used to nod harder from travalcam than restavit, but I tended to use it a fair bit less so that could just be a tolerance thing.

A few times I got really weirdly fucked up off travalcam and codeine, basically blacked out and was babbling all sorts of shit.
 
Either chemist's own or panafen are the best brands for me. Cheap and dissolve easily, and usually available in the larger box sizes.
 
Chem Own take fucking AGES to break down in water. Pan + are the quickest. You can actually see the codeine bubbling off the pills after you drop them in the water too. Chems own just sit there like white little stones.
 
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Chem Own take fucking AGES to break down in water. Pan + are the quickest. You can actually see the codeine bubbling off the pills after you drop them in the water too. Chems own just sit there like white little stones.
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Are you using the rectangular ones or the round tablets? The round tablets almost dissolve almost instantly for me, but yeah the rectangular pills take a lot longer, god knows why.
 
Were talking cod/ibuprofen right? Yeah definitely the rectangular ones take ages. Not sure Ive seen round cod/ibu pills though... (?)


edit: If were talking round chem own paracetamol/codeine pills then yeah they all pretty much break down instantly when they hit the water.
 
Yea the chemist own ones dissolve alot quicker than any pill ive come across, although I hate them cos they taste so foul with the paracetamol in them. Pan + is the best:) Forget N+ they the worst ones to filter.
 
I never cwe ibu/cod pills. Just paracetamol/cod and use 10 n+ with food as 20 mins before drinking the liquid as a kick starter.
 
Yeah I was talking about para/cod. I didn't find the chemists own ibu/cod too bad either, but yeah they did take a while to dissolve.
 
I thought I read that some other related products contained theophylline (closely related to theobromine) but travacalm contained caffeine. I could definitely be wrong on that one. I have seen theophylline as an active in tablets in North America. I'll look into it later on so we can get to the bottom of it...
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The only use I am aware of for theophylline in Australia is as a bronchodilator (relaxing bronchial smooth muscle) in patients with asthma or COPD. It is rarely used these days due to it's side effect profile, though it is available OTC as an S3 medication known as Nuelin syrup.

As I suspected, it wasn't actually theobromine used as the salt in Travacalm, but rather 8-chlorotheophylline. D_M, I will check out a box of the stuff on Monday and see what it actually says. Most pharmacists will simply tell people buying it that it contains caffeine rather then try to explain the difference between diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate. They may add caffeine as well to it, but that would seem like overkill.

I never cwe ibu/cod pills. Just paracetamol/cod and use 10 n+ with food as 20 mins before drinking the liquid as a kick starter.
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I assume you are taking them with food to reduce stomach irritation, but this is a common myth that NSAIDS like ibuprofen and aspirin directly irritate the stomach lining and many pharmacists believe it as well. The reason they produce stomach problems is through the same mechanism of action that they reduce inflammation and fever: COX inhibition. No matter if you eat food along with your ibuprofen, if you take enough for long enough period you will develop gastro-intestinal problems.
 
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Yeah I definitely have food with them. Believe me this is nothing compared to what I was (VERY STUPIDLY) doing at one point before discovering CWE method.

Its not ideal I know but I find it adds a nice for the cwe liquid to build on and Im comfortable with periodically taking that many with food. Definitely not something that should be glorified on a harm minimisation forum though. And I always have at least a little bit of associated guilt when I do it.
 
^ I don't understand the beginning of the second paragraph... are you saying you find that a little food helps with the codeine later on? I guess it depends on how much food... if I eat too soon before codeine it's not going to do anything for me at all, and I'm already using DXM and Rikodeine to push myself to actually get high.

But as I was saying, eating before taking ibuprofen won't protect your stomach. The actual damage occurs later once the drug is in your system and inhibiting the the COX enzymes. This results in reduced inflammation, but also inhibits the creation of new gastric mucosa which can lead eventually to ulceration of the GI tract.
 
That's pretty interesting, considering how widespread the whole 'eat beforehand' thing is. I probably get told that every other time I buy panafen+.
 
^ It is extremely widespread among pharmacists. Though in a recent quarterly aimed at Australian pharmacists, they mentioned that there was a lecture at which a pharmacologist discussed the pointlessness of this recommendation given the mechanism that the irritation and damage occurs through. There are some unverified claims on Wikipedia that the slight acidity of these compounds may cause direct irritation, though this is hard to believe given the pH contents of the stomach (around pH 1-2).
 
Yeah I hear you regarding the apparent pointlessness of having food in the stomach for ibuprofen. But I was actually saying that... that when I eat full n+ tabs I always eat first.

But generally I avoid food completely until at least half an hour after drinking my cwe liquid. I want as empty a stomach as possible when I first ingest my codeine.
 
^ Yeah that's what I was curious about; don't you think the food will just inhibit absorption of the codeine? Not that swallowing that many tablets at once is healthy, but I have to admit I've done worse and experienced painful reflux for about a week afterwards. :\
 
Yeah but because the tablets take longer to absorb in the body I usually have a small amount of food... have the 10 tablets then 30 mins later drink the liquid. I dont eat a lot of food... just enough to help my stomach deal with the 10 n+ tabs. I know I really shouldnt, and after reading your info tonight I might reconsider the whole thing. Maybe drop it to 5 tabs. I just like the idea of having a guaranteed base of 100mg + codeine in my system then drinking my liquid on top of that. Because who knows how much codeine is lost in the cwe process right? Sometimes I get great results and other times not so much.

Today it worked great though. I had a small McDonalds fries then washed 10 n+ down with some milk. Then about 25 mins later I drank my cwe liquid of 660mg. So a total of 860mg codeine was great today. Even got itchy face which I dont mind so much (would have had some restavit but I had none). But 3mg xanax about an 1 hr in was pretty sweet.

Only real let down was the fucking shitty movie I wasted all these resources on. Melancholia... any sci-fi fans scratch this off your 'to see' list. Despite Kirsten Dunst topless it was a total let down.
 
I don't find it weakens it significantly, but it does slow the speed at which it kicks in (good for me, since I get a bad histamine reaction if it kicks in too fast).
 
No disrespect pinkanga, but I don't know why you wouldn't do a cdub on all the codeine you take. You can lose a lot of codeine but do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th whatever wash you want, and you'll get it all out. Personally I'd rather pay another couple of bucks per session and do a cdub on a bigger amount of pills than risk taking that much ibu. 2 grams of ibu isn't heaps for one session but if you do it regularly I think you're at a real risk for developing a stomach ulcer. I always do a cdub on my stuff but even despite that I've had a very sore tummy from the chronic ingestion of small amounts of ibu; it's not just an acute overdose of ibu that will cause problems.
 
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