The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)
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Xamkou
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LOW DOSES, cannot stress that enough. I love super low doses. Feels so euphoric and it's not that noticeable when out and about!
Had to resort to alcohol. Probably the closest thing to Mx that I've got on me in terms of effects.
Had to resort to alcohol. Probably the closest thing to Mx that I've got on me in terms of effects.
lurching
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lots of serious stuff is very easily available at the moment, no doubt. benzodiazepines, a strong opioid (o-desmethyltramadol: imo comparable to demerol/morphine in seriousness), and this extraordinarily seductive dissociative. all to be bought within minutes and shipped to yer door in a few days at most. it'll def be interesting how this plays out...
Xamkou
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Times are changing. Get used to it, I say. Stronger drugs will continue to be synthesized
Limpet_Chicken
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Not with that specific intent. Pubs are expensive. And clubs usually play horrid music. The local decent one, a metal club, shut down a while back. I would rather boil my scrotum in molten lye whilst having wasps sewn under my eyelids than end up being exposed to justin 'he of squeaky voice and gonad bereft fame' bieber, britney 'skinhead shebeast crack fiend' spears or those damn twin double act that need to be summarily taken out into the country, and shot. Ick. Nasty.
And that is sober as a ju...oh, err...sober.
Did end up going to this little spanish eaterie/bar, tiny place, after spending about 12 hours mushroom hunting in the woods, and finding nothing to eat, nor any fly agarics (which prepared right, can be eaten), after spending the day tripping fairly hard on AMT (20-25mg insufflated in repeated bumps), and the odd little snifter of MXE from the tip of the blade of my knife (nothing else handy, in the middle of the woods scouring under trees and brush for stuff worth bringing home for the pot)
Didn't feel like eating much thanks to the anorexic property of AMT, real nice little place, friendly barmaid who went out of her way to give some good service and make sure I had a good night before I went home. Quick bump or two more up the hooter and a few of careful drinks, buggered off in a cab after leaving what little cash I had for a tip. I think repeated, low doses over time, just to get to about the right sweet spot for MXE in that sort of situation is about right. If I were to slam a hit, I'd probably have fallen down the stairs the loo is located above with a rig in my hand and gone flat on my face.
Otherwise, I don't snort it, like I've said, well, only really when I get a new batch in, to test the quality. Taste a couple of milligrams on the tongue, if it tastes like MXE, then a little up the nose. I'll know straight away if it is not MXE. At least, barring other similar arylcyclohexylamines that I have no experience with. Seen more than the one thread here, and more than one email alert from drugs forum, where I don't think I have ever posted, with a great sodding big 'XYZ guy just carked it on something that was several orders of magnitude more potent than whatever the deceased buyer(s) and/or vendor company owner thought their order was, to just start swabbing a spoon down with EtOH or IPA and breaking out the sterile water amps and micron filters.
Coltdan...you are headed straight for hell if you continue use in that manner. I can tell from your wording. Watch it, or you will just avoid the addiction to what you feared you may develop, and walk into several new ones at the same time.
I've found that its pretty difficult to hole on MXE nasally, not so difficult rectally...it kicked my arse the first time I tried that, or would have done if I hadn't added a little tizanidine.
The reason I believe MXE to be a true opioid, rather than just a modulator of opioid receptors through downstream pathways, such as for instance, enkephalinase, or generally modulating endogenous opioid tone through cannabinoid receptors such as propofol for instance does, is that it will actually maintain me stably, and allow me to go almost straight from my script for my screwed up knee, (dihydrocodeine, long term use) to no DHC whatsoever. I am considering attempting a short period of use, beginning of course with a hole or three, or four
and slowly tapering down the dosage. And hey, no withdrawals and a pleasant, although not overwhelming rush, which of course I can never get from DHC given it is not fit for IV.
Not sure it would work for huge damn gorilla sized methadone monkeys to feed and the likes of similar large, aggravated needle freak shoulderprimates, but whilst with some of my health issues I have been unable to taper the stepped dose reduction way using DHC itself (short half life is I believe the reason for this, difficulty maintaining a stable tolerance reduction on a given dose after a certain point)
But the combination of opioid effects and being a strongly dissociative NMDA antagonist, itself being known to help reduce tolerance, and my personal monkey being more of a moderate sized, but very bad tempered lemur, I am thinking it MAY be possible, if it is not abused during the process and one doesn't really hole overly often, to pull a methadone-in-reverse sort of detox. I don't plan permanently to stay off DHC, I need it for analgesia, and probably won't be able to get about very much with what has happened to my knee at the time, even with my staff or cane, but to come off for a period, and use as little as can get away with, using if needs be, pregabalin for analgesia, which is already on my script for neuropathic pain.
Methadone, somewhat uncommonly for an opioid, is an NMDA antagonist. Although the opioid effects are far stronger, and would kill most users, and certainly any with little or no tolerance to it before any dissociative effect showed through. Strong, long acting opioid, weak NMDA antagonist. I'm guessing that MXE isn't particularly strong as an opioid, although stronger than one might imagine from nasal use, but of course, a good solid NMDA antagonist. Decent duration of action.
Not advising anyone else to try, but I'm going to have a go, I think. Afterwards, plan is to get back again on a good solid dose of piracetam and choline, seeing as how NMDA receptor regulation is governed by excitatory AMPA-receptor mediated glutamatergic neurotransmission. More use of synaptic connections, the more they are judged as important ones, thus=more connections, cells that fire together, as they say, wire together.
I've noticed, as others will confirm, that piracetam seems to block the effects of dissociatives. At least, with ketamine, although I have no experience attempting to do so while on ket, I have very little experience with K to begin with, only a handful of times. With MXE..it seems a little resistant, at least when one has been redosing bumps all day after getting a package in the mail as a surprise improvement to the general hunting down breakfast, greeting, and feeding the moggy
As half experiment, half 'damn shite missapen family secret brother of bloody fuck! I just realised I was already almost late for a probation appointment', and at the time in question, already way beyond shitfaced and nonverbal in a way that I can't cover with 'hey, liz, you have been seeing me for appoints for quite some time, have you suddenly forgot I'm autistic?, and have you forgot, I am not about to make any effort whatsoever to appear to be anything but, because I like it that way'
Although I almost never DO become nonverbal to begin with....so, several grams of piracetam was cooked up in warmed IV water, micron filtered, stuck in a large rig, and somehow managed to actually find a vein, register and stay in it, without being able to feel fine tactile sensory input too great, and start a slow IV push of piracetam. Worked, to a degree. Yes, not a usual ROA for piracetam, no, not something I typically would have any reason or desire to do, but fast action in this case was absolutely essential. For the duration of the action of piracetam I regained ability to speak without coming out as a whole load of dissociative-twisted strangeness, and merely appear somewhat drunk. That, I can get away with
I could feel the piracetam wearing off later, oddly. Its a very subtle drug for me, that sits in the background and does its job as a nootropic (memory problems, unknown aetiology, although I am possibly beginning to suspect a consultation with an epileptologist might be at least looking into), and is pretty much silent, and undetectable other than sitting there, quietly working. A return to the dissociative state occurred later, similar, in concept I guess, to an opioid addict who ODs, gets treated with naloxone and then runs away 2 minutes later in horror at being shot full of narcan and precipitated withdrawal, only to find out later that his opioid acts for a bloody lot longer than naloxone does, and drops again, or how surgical patients intubated and maintained still with the neuromuscular blocking agents of long action (especially the really old, very, very long acting ones, such as D-tubocuarine, which has had people being brought round, functioning, only for the agent given to reverse the paralysis wearing off and the curare alkaloid paralysing the patient again)
Just waiting on another few grams of MXE and a couple of grams of 5-MeO-diallyltryptamine base. I think it might well make a pretty nice combination, IV MXE and a couple of preloaded hits of 5-MeO-DALT for vaporising. Have to be tested at a low level first of course.
And that is sober as a ju...oh, err...sober.
Did end up going to this little spanish eaterie/bar, tiny place, after spending about 12 hours mushroom hunting in the woods, and finding nothing to eat, nor any fly agarics (which prepared right, can be eaten), after spending the day tripping fairly hard on AMT (20-25mg insufflated in repeated bumps), and the odd little snifter of MXE from the tip of the blade of my knife (nothing else handy, in the middle of the woods scouring under trees and brush for stuff worth bringing home for the pot)
Didn't feel like eating much thanks to the anorexic property of AMT, real nice little place, friendly barmaid who went out of her way to give some good service and make sure I had a good night before I went home. Quick bump or two more up the hooter and a few of careful drinks, buggered off in a cab after leaving what little cash I had for a tip. I think repeated, low doses over time, just to get to about the right sweet spot for MXE in that sort of situation is about right. If I were to slam a hit, I'd probably have fallen down the stairs the loo is located above with a rig in my hand and gone flat on my face.
Otherwise, I don't snort it, like I've said, well, only really when I get a new batch in, to test the quality. Taste a couple of milligrams on the tongue, if it tastes like MXE, then a little up the nose. I'll know straight away if it is not MXE. At least, barring other similar arylcyclohexylamines that I have no experience with. Seen more than the one thread here, and more than one email alert from drugs forum, where I don't think I have ever posted, with a great sodding big 'XYZ guy just carked it on something that was several orders of magnitude more potent than whatever the deceased buyer(s) and/or vendor company owner thought their order was, to just start swabbing a spoon down with EtOH or IPA and breaking out the sterile water amps and micron filters.
Coltdan...you are headed straight for hell if you continue use in that manner. I can tell from your wording. Watch it, or you will just avoid the addiction to what you feared you may develop, and walk into several new ones at the same time.
I've found that its pretty difficult to hole on MXE nasally, not so difficult rectally...it kicked my arse the first time I tried that, or would have done if I hadn't added a little tizanidine.
The reason I believe MXE to be a true opioid, rather than just a modulator of opioid receptors through downstream pathways, such as for instance, enkephalinase, or generally modulating endogenous opioid tone through cannabinoid receptors such as propofol for instance does, is that it will actually maintain me stably, and allow me to go almost straight from my script for my screwed up knee, (dihydrocodeine, long term use) to no DHC whatsoever. I am considering attempting a short period of use, beginning of course with a hole or three, or four
and slowly tapering down the dosage. And hey, no withdrawals and a pleasant, although not overwhelming rush, which of course I can never get from DHC given it is not fit for IV.Not sure it would work for huge damn gorilla sized methadone monkeys to feed and the likes of similar large, aggravated needle freak shoulderprimates, but whilst with some of my health issues I have been unable to taper the stepped dose reduction way using DHC itself (short half life is I believe the reason for this, difficulty maintaining a stable tolerance reduction on a given dose after a certain point)
But the combination of opioid effects and being a strongly dissociative NMDA antagonist, itself being known to help reduce tolerance, and my personal monkey being more of a moderate sized, but very bad tempered lemur, I am thinking it MAY be possible, if it is not abused during the process and one doesn't really hole overly often, to pull a methadone-in-reverse sort of detox. I don't plan permanently to stay off DHC, I need it for analgesia, and probably won't be able to get about very much with what has happened to my knee at the time, even with my staff or cane, but to come off for a period, and use as little as can get away with, using if needs be, pregabalin for analgesia, which is already on my script for neuropathic pain.
Methadone, somewhat uncommonly for an opioid, is an NMDA antagonist. Although the opioid effects are far stronger, and would kill most users, and certainly any with little or no tolerance to it before any dissociative effect showed through. Strong, long acting opioid, weak NMDA antagonist. I'm guessing that MXE isn't particularly strong as an opioid, although stronger than one might imagine from nasal use, but of course, a good solid NMDA antagonist. Decent duration of action.
Not advising anyone else to try, but I'm going to have a go, I think. Afterwards, plan is to get back again on a good solid dose of piracetam and choline, seeing as how NMDA receptor regulation is governed by excitatory AMPA-receptor mediated glutamatergic neurotransmission. More use of synaptic connections, the more they are judged as important ones, thus=more connections, cells that fire together, as they say, wire together.
I've noticed, as others will confirm, that piracetam seems to block the effects of dissociatives. At least, with ketamine, although I have no experience attempting to do so while on ket, I have very little experience with K to begin with, only a handful of times. With MXE..it seems a little resistant, at least when one has been redosing bumps all day after getting a package in the mail as a surprise improvement to the general hunting down breakfast, greeting, and feeding the moggy
As half experiment, half 'damn shite missapen family secret brother of bloody fuck! I just realised I was already almost late for a probation appointment', and at the time in question, already way beyond shitfaced and nonverbal in a way that I can't cover with 'hey, liz, you have been seeing me for appoints for quite some time, have you suddenly forgot I'm autistic?, and have you forgot, I am not about to make any effort whatsoever to appear to be anything but, because I like it that way'
Although I almost never DO become nonverbal to begin with....so, several grams of piracetam was cooked up in warmed IV water, micron filtered, stuck in a large rig, and somehow managed to actually find a vein, register and stay in it, without being able to feel fine tactile sensory input too great, and start a slow IV push of piracetam. Worked, to a degree. Yes, not a usual ROA for piracetam, no, not something I typically would have any reason or desire to do, but fast action in this case was absolutely essential. For the duration of the action of piracetam I regained ability to speak without coming out as a whole load of dissociative-twisted strangeness, and merely appear somewhat drunk. That, I can get away with
I could feel the piracetam wearing off later, oddly. Its a very subtle drug for me, that sits in the background and does its job as a nootropic (memory problems, unknown aetiology, although I am possibly beginning to suspect a consultation with an epileptologist might be at least looking into), and is pretty much silent, and undetectable other than sitting there, quietly working. A return to the dissociative state occurred later, similar, in concept I guess, to an opioid addict who ODs, gets treated with naloxone and then runs away 2 minutes later in horror at being shot full of narcan and precipitated withdrawal, only to find out later that his opioid acts for a bloody lot longer than naloxone does, and drops again, or how surgical patients intubated and maintained still with the neuromuscular blocking agents of long action (especially the really old, very, very long acting ones, such as D-tubocuarine, which has had people being brought round, functioning, only for the agent given to reverse the paralysis wearing off and the curare alkaloid paralysing the patient again)
Just waiting on another few grams of MXE and a couple of grams of 5-MeO-diallyltryptamine base. I think it might well make a pretty nice combination, IV MXE and a couple of preloaded hits of 5-MeO-DALT for vaporising. Have to be tested at a low level first of course.
sekio
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I think MXE is just a really dopaminergic stimulant.
Ketamine etc have been postulated to help with opioid withdrawal, I see no reason that MXE wouldn't. But I think calling it a "true opioid" is a bit of a stretch.
Ketamine etc have been postulated to help with opioid withdrawal, I see no reason that MXE wouldn't. But I think calling it a "true opioid" is a bit of a stretch.
the toad
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I had been weighing out doses one a milligram scale and dosing sublingually... but I recently found that insuffilating nasally seems to give me more of an energetic buzz... I kinda don't like snorting things in general but mxe seems to be better that way for me... maybe its just different and its all in my head idk lol..
But I went and got another "bullet" snooter and it turns out to be about 40mg a shot... this is perfect for me during the day... one before work... one at lunch... then a double barrel when I get off work...
Obviously if a LEO sees a bullet with white'ish powder in it they're going to be extremely suspicious and I don't plan on having to worry about it... but I don't think they can really find me guilty of anything in court for simply having mxe in a "measuring device"....
As I understand the law in the USA... methoxetamine doesn't fall under the analogue act since its an analogue of ketamine....
The analog act only specifies that they can't be analogues of schedule 1 and 2.... ketamine is schedule 3....
I'm not asking for any sort of legal advice I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this....
But I went and got another "bullet" snooter and it turns out to be about 40mg a shot... this is perfect for me during the day... one before work... one at lunch... then a double barrel when I get off work...
Obviously if a LEO sees a bullet with white'ish powder in it they're going to be extremely suspicious and I don't plan on having to worry about it... but I don't think they can really find me guilty of anything in court for simply having mxe in a "measuring device"....
As I understand the law in the USA... methoxetamine doesn't fall under the analogue act since its an analogue of ketamine....
The analog act only specifies that they can't be analogues of schedule 1 and 2.... ketamine is schedule 3....
I'm not asking for any sort of legal advice I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this....
Delsyd
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Its also an analogue of PCP which is schedule 2.
Better playing it safe than testing your luck with the law.
Better playing it safe than testing your luck with the law.
the toad
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This is kinda where I was headed.... I'm no chemist but I have a fair amount of background in chemistry.... but I'm uncertain as to how much structure has to be shared in a molecule for it to be considered an analogue....
Ketamine is not considered a pcp analogue...
Ketamine is not considered a pcp analogue...
greenberryhaze
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Under US law, DNA is an analogue of cocaine...
the toad
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^ lmao
InternetWarrior
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have 500mg arriving today, can't wait to try this :D probably going to start with a 20mg bump to see how that feels since I've only ever done DXM. Low doses seem way more up my alley anyway.
ColtDan
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err.... what? continue to use what?
lol
Not sure if he was really talking to you, but it really goes for anyone who uses dissociatives as frequent as multiple times per week or even per day which seem to be a lot of people in this thread.
Just imagine a crash that comes with a few weeks delay. I can't speak for all you guys of course, but in my experience you can expect a emotional wasteland in a few weeks after quitting and pure madness if you keep going at this pace.
I'll just apologize for the mixup in his name and am sure he was referring to folks like this one:
I'm not judging anyone who can't get a grip on their drug use (quite the opposite is the case), but not seeing what is wrong with dosing patterns like this is just ignorant and advertising it to others it reckless and irresponsible.
Comedy gold.
I'm not judging anyone who can't get a grip on their drug use (quite the opposite is the case), but not seeing what is wrong with dosing patterns like this is just ignorant and advertising it to others it reckless and irresponsible.
limonov
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Ketamine is specifically scheduled, that is why it is not considered a pcp analogue. Besides, if I was prosecuting you I would look at the name, see the PCE (a schedule I drug) in the name and prosecute you for possession of a PCE analogue- MXE is closer to PCE than it is to ketamine anyway. As I've said before 'Methoxetamine' is a 'bullshit marketing' (TM) term to make people feel more comfortable about taking untested arylcyclohexylamines.
@Limpet_chicken:
Methoxetamine is NOT a true opioid! I am willing to conceed that there is a possibility that one of methoxetamines metabolites has some affinity for the mu opiate receptors, but methoxetamine itself does NOT have any significant opiate activity. Why? Because it cannot be used as a substitute to opiates- you get dopesick, it might be subjectively 'easier' if you're on MXE or any other NMDA antagonist, but it don't stop the withdrawals...thus it is not a 'true' opioid (and while we're at it- what's a 'false' opioid?)
GodSpeedK
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first time last night. give it a 6/10. Still much prefer k.
I really enjoyed small doses, nice and euphoric, with a weightless feel to it. But when I racked up a fat line and got into bed hoping to hole, I had a pretty awful experience where I was convinced for a while that the stuff I had bought was very toxic and I was going to die. Never felt like that on k. I also couldn't get to sleep for hours afterwards; it was like the main strip in Las Vegas had relocated to my mind. The red standby light on my cd player looked like a burning ember...tried to put it out. It's weird stuff, kinda has a nasty side to it though.
that is always the main theme of my k-holes.
I really enjoyed small doses, nice and euphoric, with a weightless feel to it. But when I racked up a fat line and got into bed hoping to hole, I had a pretty awful experience where I was convinced for a while that the stuff I had bought was very toxic and I was going to die. Never felt like that on k. I also couldn't get to sleep for hours afterwards; it was like the main strip in Las Vegas had relocated to my mind. The red standby light on my cd player looked like a burning ember...tried to put it out. It's weird stuff, kinda has a nasty side to it though.
that is always the main theme of my k-holes.
scottishdnb
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I think methoxetamine was far stronger and the chirality of the molecule produced and the expression of its effects as one side chilled the other tripping with a manic edge were better back in dec 10 but I have made many a mistake in railing large lines of 150-300mg at once and having blackouts and psychotic/manic style behaviour outbreaks recently.
I think there's been several alterations made on these two sides,know what I mean?
Id like to hear your views
I think there's been several alterations made on these two sides,know what I mean?
Id like to hear your views
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